Suicide and self harm!

You know, I have difficulties saying that this act is 'coward' or 'having guts'... In a certain way, they aren't able to support life... But in the other, they have the guts to say : That has no return...

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bloodraine:

Agreed. For those people who say it takes guts to commit suicide, well quite frankly, it doesnt. They're throwing away their lives because they're too afraid to live, too afraid of trying to get better. Theres nothing poetic or special about it.

They're throwing away their lives, yeah, and? That's what they want to do. If there's nothing for them here, then why be here.

They're throwing their lives away. Now you may think this is irrelevant, but how many people die every day through no fault of their own?. How many babies/children die before they've really had a chance in life? And yet these people are just throwing their lives away in a heartbeat. Like it doesn't matter. But consider all the people who die who have families etc, who would do anything for a second chance. And yet people are just killing themselves because they cant be bothered living anymore.

bloodraine:

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bloodraine:

Agreed. For those people who say it takes guts to commit suicide, well quite frankly, it doesnt. They're throwing away their lives because they're too afraid to live, too afraid of trying to get better. Theres nothing poetic or special about it.

They're throwing away their lives, yeah, and? That's what they want to do. If there's nothing for them here, then why be here.

They're throwing their lives away. Now you may think this is irrelevant, but how many people die every day through no fault of their own?. How many babies/children die before they've really had a chance in life? And yet these people are just throwing their lives away in a heartbeat. Like it doesn't matter. But consider all the people who die who have families etc, who would do anything for a second chance. And yet people are just killing themselves because they cant be bothered living anymore.

I pledge this: Even if I wind up as a homeless man in an NYC gutter stinking of grain alcohol and lying in my own excrement, I will NOT kill myself. Why? Because I'll be in NYC! ...Not really, it's because things can change easily and I'm not about to throw away something as valuable as...me. (Boy, I'm conceiteed.) You can hold me to this.

yes indeed. its not worth giving up on something that could change at any time.

rehab~reject:

In a way it could be considered a cowards way out.... But really, to kill yourself you do have to have guts, even it is just for a while to actually do it.

...........It's accepting defeat.......plain and simple......not to be confused with cowardice

...been close to it myself, many a time.......particularly last week...

............found myself with a knife held to my own throat.....

...something stopped me......though there was plenty reasons to fucking go through with it

...................they helped kill Jim Morrison with a lot less fucking pressure

H-F-P-R

Hippy-Faggot-Punk-Rocker:

rehab~reject:

In a way it could be considered a cowards way out.... But really, to kill yourself you do have to have guts, even it is just for a while to actually do it.

...........It's accepting defeat.......plain and simple......not to be confused with cowardice

...been close to it myself, many a time.......particularly last week...

............found myself with a knife held to my own throat.....

...something stopped me......though there was plenty reasons to fucking go through with it

...................they helped kill Jim Morrison with a lot less fucking pressure

H-F-P-R

Shit, I didn't know you'd got that bad!

I don't want to see anything happen to you, I'd miss you [We are ze rebels of GSB remember? ] There are reasons you want to die, I know. But there's also reasons to live! Just stick it out and trust me, it will get better. One day you'll look back and just think "Why on earth...?"

x[Nine_Inch_Nails]x:

Hippy-Faggot-Punk-Rocker:

rehab~reject:

In a way it could be considered a cowards way out.... But really, to kill yourself you do have to have guts, even it is just for a while to actually do it.

...........It's accepting defeat.......plain and simple......not to be confused with cowardice

...been close to it myself, many a time.......particularly last week...

............found myself with a knife held to my own throat.....

...something stopped me......though there was plenty reasons to fucking go through with it

...................they helped kill Jim Morrison with a lot less fucking pressure

H-F-P-R

Shit, I didn't know you'd got that bad!

I don't want to see anything happen to you, I'd miss you [We are ze rebels of GSB remember? ] There are reasons you want to die, I know. But there's also reasons to live! Just stick it out and trust me, it will get better. One day you'll look back and just think "Why on earth...?"

Thanks for the kind words.......appreciated...

.......yes, it was a low moment.......not a full-on attempt.....unlike an event involving pills......
.......................unfortunately not an isolated incident.......

..........I'm a real danger to myself a lot of the time...

...hard to find the grit and determination......

.......................seem to spend my whole life trying to stick it out.......

....but 'as you can see, being a fucking psycho basket case like me does have its advantages'

H-F-P-R

WHOA! honey please dont hurt yourself. i only joined 2day but you seem so nice!!! really you do! please dont do anything!

Fade2Black:

WHOA! honey please dont hurt yourself. i only joined 2day but you seem so nice!!! really you do! please dont do anything!

Awww......thanx for the kind words.......

.......wish I could promise not to do anything....we shall see what happens

H-F-P-R

when some one kills themselves they also kill somthing in the people they leave behind "mum dad brothers sisters and extended family, they all even though they dont really show it at times care about you and that makes them sad and depressed, it has a knock on effect to everyone who you knew and loved.

junerae:

when some one kills themselves they also kill somthing in the people they leave behind "mum dad brothers sisters and extended family, they all even though they dont really show it at times care about you and that makes them sad and depressed, it has a knock on effect to everyone who you knew and loved.

Yes. But you can't live for others. I think it's selfish to think suicide is selfish.

Faith:

Well, I've read through the latest posts here, and here's a summary of what it made me feel.

A lot of you obviously think that people commit suicide because they feel bad at the moment and don't want to try and get out of this bad, or wait till a better time comes. Well, in some cases it is so, but not always.
If a surgeon whose whole life is in their job has their arms amputated - it won't change; if your spouse and children die and you know that no matter how you try you just can't live without them - it won't change; if the gained experience of your life is killing you and no matter how great your life could get you just can't be happy because of the scars on your heart - it won't change....And whatever you might think about it, those people choose to die, and you can't judge them.

As for those "cowards" who just can't get over a hard period in life...Well....Say, I'm here in a horrible situation in life, apart from everyone I love, in a place where I can't be, and it's nothing but torture for me every fucking day. I know that all I have to do is endure this for another 2 years...and if I do, my life might get better, I'll go back home and start living a life full of opportunity and love. I know it. I've been told "Hey, it's only 2 years! You've already done a month, you've only got 23 months to go". But imagine you have your hand put into boiling oil, and then someone tells you "Hey, you only have 23 months of this left!" Does it sound optimistic to you? And maybe I should be strong and just do it. But the pain has made me so numb that the fear of death fades so I can barely see it, and I'm ready to give up the possibility of a better future for a simple way out, just so the pain stops. Yeah, it's a lazy way out. But, hey....you can call me a selfish cowardly loser - when I'm dead, I won't give a shit what you call me...
I don't believe in heaven and hell, but if they do exist, and, as some people believe, suiciders go to hell - well, then I'll be ready to take whatever tortures they have ready for me there 'cuz then I will at least know that I deserved this with my decision, since I have no idea what I did to deserve the pain God's putting me through right now...


How's that for justifying suicide?
People are different, if you never thought of suicide - then maybe you are just an optimistic person and no matter what, you just don't want to die. Or maybe your life has never gotten that bad. Suicide is only selfish when you have someone to cry over you; it is only lazy when you have a better but more difficult way out.
If you think you would never want to die...imagine everyone who gives a shit about you are dead, and you're a quadruple amputee in a free hospital with a bitchy nurse changing your diapers...Gotta have that love of life.



P.S. Please mind that the above "Say, I'm..." essay is hypothetical. I'm just trying to prove a point, please don't give me your "Get the fuck out, you sick attention seaker" thing.

woah you had alot of good points there ...maybe you can get people to open up and try think differently ...and maybe not judge people that kill themselfs ...yeah its not a nice thing to do but meh ..we all have to die sometime ...even if its by choice

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junerae:

when some one kills themselves they also kill somthing in the people they leave behind "mum dad brothers sisters and extended family, they all even though they dont really show it at times care about you and that makes them sad and depressed, it has a knock on effect to everyone who you knew and loved.

Yes. But you can't live for others. I think it's selfish to think suicide is selfish.

go to councilling if you wanna kill yourself and stand up and realise that the world is a beautiful and lovely place to be in, most people who kille themselves are kids who lets be fair will miss out on having kids, a wife/husband, and all the good things. i could get all soft here but i wont.

junerae:

go to councilling if you wanna kill yourself and stand up and realise that the world is a beautiful and lovely place to be in, most people who kille themselves are kids who lets be fair will miss out on having kids, a wife/husband, and all the good things. i could get all soft here but i wont.

It depends on a person. And of course they won't miss anything, if they're dead. It's a solution. They don't want a future, so they won't have one.

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junerae:

go to councilling if you wanna kill yourself and stand up and realise that the world is a beautiful and lovely place to be in, most people who kille themselves are kids who lets be fair will miss out on having kids, a wife/husband, and all the good things. i could get all soft here but i wont.

It depends on a person. And of course they won't miss anything, if they're dead. It's a solution. They don't want a future, so they won't have one.

how do you know what you'll miss in life until you have been there? My uncle killed himself and i think about him every day I MISS HIM so much but i feel that he shouldve got help

junerae:

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junerae:

go to councilling if you wanna kill yourself and stand up and realise that the world is a beautiful and lovely place to be in, most people who kille themselves are kids who lets be fair will miss out on having kids, a wife/husband, and all the good things. i could get all soft here but i wont.

It depends on a person. And of course they won't miss anything, if they're dead. It's a solution. They don't want a future, so they won't have one.

how do you know what you'll miss in life until you have been there? My uncle killed himself and i think about him every day I MISS HIM so much but i feel that he shouldve got help

You can't know what you'll miss in life until you're dead...maybe. I've said it before and i'll say it again: nobody knows what happens after death. As such, you can't say that you'll miss anything after eath, because maybe nothing happens and it's all nothingness. Then again, maybe there is an afterlife that you can use to miss life...but I don't know, if i'm in the afterlife, i'll be wandering around and exploring for a hell of a lot longer than I'll spend moping around about how I miss everyone. Besides, I imagine there's some pretty cool people in the afterlife.

Faith:

Well, I've read through the latest posts here, and here's a summary of what it made me feel.

A lot of you obviously think that people commit suicide because they feel bad at the moment and don't want to try and get out of this bad, or wait till a better time comes. Well, in some cases it is so, but not always.
If a surgeon whose whole life is in their job has their arms amputated - it won't change; if your spouse and children die and you know that no matter how you try you just can't live without them - it won't change; if the gained experience of your life is killing you and no matter how great your life could get you just can't be happy because of the scars on your heart - it won't change....And whatever you might think about it, those people choose to die, and you can't judge them.

As for those "cowards" who just can't get over a hard period in life...Well....Say, I'm here in a horrible situation in life, apart from everyone I love, in a place where I can't be, and it's nothing but torture for me every fucking day. I know that all I have to do is endure this for another 2 years...and if I do, my life might get better, I'll go back home and start living a life full of opportunity and love. I know it. I've been told "Hey, it's only 2 years! You've already done a month, you've only got 23 months to go". But imagine you have your hand put into boiling oil, and then someone tells you "Hey, you only have 23 months of this left!" Does it sound optimistic to you? And maybe I should be strong and just do it. But the pain has made me so numb that the fear of death fades so I can barely see it, and I'm ready to give up the possibility of a better future for a simple way out, just so the pain stops. Yeah, it's a lazy way out. But, hey....you can call me a selfish cowardly loser - when I'm dead, I won't give a shit what you call me...
I don't believe in heaven and hell, but if they do exist, and, as some people believe, suiciders go to hell - well, then I'll be ready to take whatever tortures they have ready for me there 'cuz then I will at least know that I deserved this with my decision, since I have no idea what I did to deserve the pain God's putting me through right now...


How's that for justifying suicide?
People are different, if you never thought of suicide - then maybe you are just an optimistic person and no matter what, you just don't want to die. Or maybe your life has never gotten that bad. Suicide is only selfish when you have someone to cry over you; it is only lazy when you have a better but more difficult way out.
If you think you would never want to die...imagine everyone who gives a shit about you are dead, and you're a quadruple amputee in a free hospital with a bitchy nurse changing your diapers...Gotta have that love of life.



P.S. Please mind that the above "Say, I'm..." essay is hypothetical. I'm just trying to prove a point, please don't give me your "Get the fuck out, you sick attention seaker" thing.

God's not the one putting you through pain >.> But Im not here to preach, so spare any lecture you'll probably give me.

Sheepo@_@:

God's not the one putting you through pain >.>

Exactly... A wise man (a comedian, but wise) once said, "Suicide is our way of saying to God, 'You can't fire me. I quit.'" But why do we need to tell that to any Supreme Being, if there is one? He/She/It/Whatever most likely didn't set out to ruin your life. (See "Bruce Almighty" if you haven't, while I'm thinking about God and a guy's life.) It's people around you, or *gasp, shriek, aieeee!* YOUR OWN GODDAM SELF. Look around you, see what you can change before you go and pull that trigger.

junerae:

how do you know what you'll miss in life until you have been there? My uncle killed himself and i think about him every day I MISS HIM so much but i feel that he shouldve got help

That's the point, but we seem to see it so differently.

Everything can't be solved by our ways. If someone doesn't want to be, then they don't want to. Or need to be. Everyone decides what to do with their lives, and it always doesn't need a depression to kill yourself. We may miss the ones who are dead, but I doubt they'll miss us, since it didn't stop their decisions.

Life and death are taken way too seriously.