Suicide and self harm!

rehab~reject:

I had a really long conversation with my friends about suicide and self harm and all this sort of thing the other day.

And basically, people who do self harm or want to commit suicide aren't public about it. They'll pretend everything is fine for as long as they can, and don't want everyone to know. They keep the self harm a secret, and they manage to do it well.

I know, because my friend admitted she'd tried to OD twice before, and we didn't have any idea. They had no idea I'd been cutting for about a year. We had no idea that either of the three of us had any depression at all, because we'd all tried to hde it.
But if you are like it, and the chance comes to talk about it - even if it's not in a personal way about your experience, but just about it, then do. It actually makes you feel better.

This is of course, my personal opinion, but I don't think people are always closed about their depression and feeling suicidal. Some people tell their friends about how they feel, because they want to be helped and stopped from feeling this way. If you've really decided to kill yourself, most likely you'll do it no matter what 'cuz that's really the only way out for you. But if you feel you could still be pulled out of it, you tell people 'cuz you want to see if there is someone who cares, and whether living is still worth what it takes you. Sort of a final test...

Some people are open about their self-harm, some are not. You can't say everyone who "really cuts" hides it. Maybe most people do. but we all know generalizations are not such a good thing. There are so many different ways depression acts - you can't just say everyone who says they are suicidal are just showing off. They might simply be wiser then those who just go and do it. It requires great strength and courage to get help with your suicidalness. We don't like going to gynecologists 'cuz we're too ashamed to let a stranger see our private places, even though it's a professional...so imagine how hard it is to let that kind of stranger into your soul.

My friend committed suicide by tying his ankles to the pegs and his his wrists to the handle bars of his dirt bike and drivig off a cliff. He drown. I was the first one to know. I found him and his suicide notes.

Hitch'd a ride to Misery:

My friend committed suicide by tying his ankles to the pegs and his his wrists to the handle bars of his dirt bike and drivig off a cliff. He drown. I was the first one to know. I found him and his suicide notes.

i dont no wat to say other than im really shocked...that seems like a very painful way to die.

Faith:

rehab~reject:

I had a really long conversation with my friends about suicide and self harm and all this sort of thing the other day.

And basically, people who do self harm or want to commit suicide aren't public about it. They'll pretend everything is fine for as long as they can, and don't want everyone to know. They keep the self harm a secret, and they manage to do it well.

I know, because my friend admitted she'd tried to OD twice before, and we didn't have any idea. They had no idea I'd been cutting for about a year. We had no idea that either of the three of us had any depression at all, because we'd all tried to hde it.
But if you are like it, and the chance comes to talk about it - even if it's not in a personal way about your experience, but just about it, then do. It actually makes you feel better.

This is of course, my personal opinion, but I don't think people are always closed about their depression and feeling suicidal. Some people tell their friends about how they feel, because they want to be helped and stopped from feeling this way. If you've really decided to kill yourself, most likely you'll do it no matter what 'cuz that's really the only way out for you. But if you feel you could still be pulled out of it, you tell people 'cuz you want to see if there is someone who cares, and whether living is still worth what it takes you. Sort of a final test...

Some people are open about their self-harm, some are not. You can't say everyone who "really cuts" hides it. Maybe most people do. but we all know generalizations are not such a good thing. There are so many different ways depression acts - you can't just say everyone who says they are suicidal are just showing off. They might simply be wiser then those who just go and do it. It requires great strength and courage to get help with your suicidalness. We don't like going to gynecologists 'cuz we're too ashamed to let a stranger see our private places, even though it's a professional...so imagine how hard it is to let that kind of stranger into your soul.

I know that it's not always true... that was just our experience of people who do show it. I know it's hard to get help and talk about it when you're depressed - I admire people who do get help, I really do.
But yeah, we were just talking about people we know who have done it and just blatantly done it for attention, should have made it clearer. And when I said they try to keep it quiet and pretend everythhing was okay I was talking about how hard it is to try and get help.

Faith:

rehab~reject:

I had a really long conversation with my friends about suicide and self harm and all this sort of thing the other day.

And basically, people who do self harm or want to commit suicide aren't public about it. They'll pretend everything is fine for as long as they can, and don't want everyone to know. They keep the self harm a secret, and they manage to do it well.

I know, because my friend admitted she'd tried to OD twice before, and we didn't have any idea. They had no idea I'd been cutting for about a year. We had no idea that either of the three of us had any depression at all, because we'd all tried to hde it.
But if you are like it, and the chance comes to talk about it - even if it's not in a personal way about your experience, but just about it, then do. It actually makes you feel better.

This is of course, my personal opinion, but I don't think people are always closed about their depression and feeling suicidal. Some people tell their friends about how they feel, because they want to be helped and stopped from feeling this way. If you've really decided to kill yourself, most likely you'll do it no matter what 'cuz that's really the only way out for you. But if you feel you could still be pulled out of it, you tell people 'cuz you want to see if there is someone who cares, and whether living is still worth what it takes you. Sort of a final test...

Some people are open about their self-harm, some are not. You can't say everyone who "really cuts" hides it. Maybe most people do. but we all know generalizations are not such a good thing. There are so many different ways depression acts - you can't just say everyone who says they are suicidal are just showing off. They might simply be wiser then those who just go and do it. It requires great strength and courage to get help with your suicidalness. We don't like going to gynecologists 'cuz we're too ashamed to let a stranger see our private places, even though it's a professional...so imagine how hard it is to let that kind of stranger into your soul.

And the reason for all this not believing people when they say they cut? The emo trend.

rehab~reject:

Faith:

rehab~reject:

I had a really long conversation with my friends about suicide and self harm and all this sort of thing the other day.

And basically, people who do self harm or want to commit suicide aren't public about it. They'll pretend everything is fine for as long as they can, and don't want everyone to know. They keep the self harm a secret, and they manage to do it well.

I know, because my friend admitted she'd tried to OD twice before, and we didn't have any idea. They had no idea I'd been cutting for about a year. We had no idea that either of the three of us had any depression at all, because we'd all tried to hde it.
But if you are like it, and the chance comes to talk about it - even if it's not in a personal way about your experience, but just about it, then do. It actually makes you feel better.

This is of course, my personal opinion, but I don't think people are always closed about their depression and feeling suicidal. Some people tell their friends about how they feel, because they want to be helped and stopped from feeling this way. If you've really decided to kill yourself, most likely you'll do it no matter what 'cuz that's really the only way out for you. But if you feel you could still be pulled out of it, you tell people 'cuz you want to see if there is someone who cares, and whether living is still worth what it takes you. Sort of a final test...

Some people are open about their self-harm, some are not. You can't say everyone who "really cuts" hides it. Maybe most people do. but we all know generalizations are not such a good thing. There are so many different ways depression acts - you can't just say everyone who says they are suicidal are just showing off. They might simply be wiser then those who just go and do it. It requires great strength and courage to get help with your suicidalness. We don't like going to gynecologists 'cuz we're too ashamed to let a stranger see our private places, even though it's a professional...so imagine how hard it is to let that kind of stranger into your soul.

I know that it's not always true... that was just our experience of people who do show it. I know it's hard to get help and talk about it when you're depressed - I admire people who do get help, I really do.
But yeah, we were just talking about people we know who have done it and just blatantly done it for attention, should have made it clearer. And when I said they try to keep it quiet and pretend everythhing was okay I was talking about how hard it is to try and get help.

Yeah, sometimes people do do that stuff for attention, but I think that's stupid 'cuz the attention you'll get is people considering you nuts and looking at you weird.
It's fucking hard to make yourself get help...and then it's even harder to find someone who's gonna believe you. Which is especially important for those who can't afford councelling and need support of their friends

Nine_Inch_Nails:

And the reason for all this not believing people when they say they cut? The emo trend

I suppose one could say that's partual reason for it. Although I never even knew about the existance of "emo" until recently, but I've seen people with real depression being ignored 5 years ago, 10 years ago... I suppose emo is just the latest excuse for our blindness, self-centrism and selfishness.

Faith:

rehab~reject:

Faith:

rehab~reject:

I had a really long conversation with my friends about suicide and self harm and all this sort of thing the other day.

And basically, people who do self harm or want to commit suicide aren't public about it. They'll pretend everything is fine for as long as they can, and don't want everyone to know. They keep the self harm a secret, and they manage to do it well.

I know, because my friend admitted she'd tried to OD twice before, and we didn't have any idea. They had no idea I'd been cutting for about a year. We had no idea that either of the three of us had any depression at all, because we'd all tried to hde it.
But if you are like it, and the chance comes to talk about it - even if it's not in a personal way about your experience, but just about it, then do. It actually makes you feel better.

This is of course, my personal opinion, but I don't think people are always closed about their depression and feeling suicidal. Some people tell their friends about how they feel, because they want to be helped and stopped from feeling this way. If you've really decided to kill yourself, most likely you'll do it no matter what 'cuz that's really the only way out for you. But if you feel you could still be pulled out of it, you tell people 'cuz you want to see if there is someone who cares, and whether living is still worth what it takes you. Sort of a final test...

Some people are open about their self-harm, some are not. You can't say everyone who "really cuts" hides it. Maybe most people do. but we all know generalizations are not such a good thing. There are so many different ways depression acts - you can't just say everyone who says they are suicidal are just showing off. They might simply be wiser then those who just go and do it. It requires great strength and courage to get help with your suicidalness. We don't like going to gynecologists 'cuz we're too ashamed to let a stranger see our private places, even though it's a professional...so imagine how hard it is to let that kind of stranger into your soul.

I know that it's not always true... that was just our experience of people who do show it. I know it's hard to get help and talk about it when you're depressed - I admire people who do get help, I really do.
But yeah, we were just talking about people we know who have done it and just blatantly done it for attention, should have made it clearer. And when I said they try to keep it quiet and pretend everythhing was okay I was talking about how hard it is to try and get help.

Yeah, sometimes people do do that stuff for attention, but I think that's stupid 'cuz the attention you'll get is people considering you nuts and looking at you weird.
It's fucking hard to make yourself get help...and then it's even harder to find someone who's gonna believe you. Which is especially important for those who can't afford councelling and need support of their friends

Exactly... it's stupid, those who do it for attention. It's not good attention or anything.

rehab~reject:

Faith:

rehab~reject:

Faith:

rehab~reject:

I had a really long conversation with my friends about suicide and self harm and all this sort of thing the other day.

And basically, people who do self harm or want to commit suicide aren't public about it. They'll pretend everything is fine for as long as they can, and don't want everyone to know. They keep the self harm a secret, and they manage to do it well.

I know, because my friend admitted she'd tried to OD twice before, and we didn't have any idea. They had no idea I'd been cutting for about a year. We had no idea that either of the three of us had any depression at all, because we'd all tried to hde it.
But if you are like it, and the chance comes to talk about it - even if it's not in a personal way about your experience, but just about it, then do. It actually makes you feel better.

This is of course, my personal opinion, but I don't think people are always closed about their depression and feeling suicidal. Some people tell their friends about how they feel, because they want to be helped and stopped from feeling this way. If you've really decided to kill yourself, most likely you'll do it no matter what 'cuz that's really the only way out for you. But if you feel you could still be pulled out of it, you tell people 'cuz you want to see if there is someone who cares, and whether living is still worth what it takes you. Sort of a final test...

Some people are open about their self-harm, some are not. You can't say everyone who "really cuts" hides it. Maybe most people do. but we all know generalizations are not such a good thing. There are so many different ways depression acts - you can't just say everyone who says they are suicidal are just showing off. They might simply be wiser then those who just go and do it. It requires great strength and courage to get help with your suicidalness. We don't like going to gynecologists 'cuz we're too ashamed to let a stranger see our private places, even though it's a professional...so imagine how hard it is to let that kind of stranger into your soul.

I know that it's not always true... that was just our experience of people who do show it. I know it's hard to get help and talk about it when you're depressed - I admire people who do get help, I really do.
But yeah, we were just talking about people we know who have done it and just blatantly done it for attention, should have made it clearer. And when I said they try to keep it quiet and pretend everythhing was okay I was talking about how hard it is to try and get help.

Yeah, sometimes people do do that stuff for attention, but I think that's stupid 'cuz the attention you'll get is people considering you nuts and looking at you weird.
It's fucking hard to make yourself get help...and then it's even harder to find someone who's gonna believe you. Which is especially important for those who can't afford councelling and need support of their friends

Exactly... it's stupid, those who do it for attention. It's not good attention or anything.

That's what I said ealier in this thread...somewhere. In my school, if you told someone you slit your wrists...they would freak out, scream, tell everyone, everyone would be sniggering at your behind your back...no one would really understand. I don't see why people do it for attention when the attention they get isn't nice.

Faith:

It's fucking hard to make yourself get help...

i agree -___- and when help is brought to you.. (speaking from experience) its hard to let it actually work.

hmm, this is a difficult subject.
with suicide, it is very true that you will just not know im many cases. the WILL hide it. they will just carry through.
i did know a boy who, when he was younger stayed with his mother every weekend. his parents were divorced. now, he did this every single weekend & lived with his father during the week.
well, one weekend when he was 9, he was invited to his first sleepover, it was over the weekend. he told his mum & she said it was okay.
while he was at the sleepover she went out for the night, im not sure where.
her car crashed & she died instantly.
the boy always blamed himself.
well, recently [the boy now in his early 20's] went & took some amphetamines called "shabang!".
this amphetamine turned out to make him have psychotic episodes & made him very depressed.
no one knew, & he arranged all his papers & everything & proceeded to jump off a bridge on to pavement.
he was killed instantly & a woman walking her dog found him the next morning.
he did not tell anyone. & this was not your basic case of suicide.

Is it true that people who commit suicide when jumping of a cliff or building half way down they reconsider? well we probably will never know.

The_Gunslinger:

Is it true that people who commit suicide when jumping of a cliff or building half way down they reconsider? well we probably will never know.

thats a point. although falling is incredibly fun i spose it would give them time to reconsider therefore possibly wouldnt be the best way to commit suicide. ah well, you'll only know when/if you get there.

...You know what I just thought about whilst reading the above two posts? Edward Gorey. And if any of you know who in God's name i'm jabbering about, PLEASE give me a bloody PM. (I'm so lonely.)

Yes, I've heard that about people who jump off cliffs...although I've heard that about a lot of suicides, that you think "hmm, life isn't so bad" AFTER you swallow those three cups of Ibuprofen.

I'm extremely sorry for the double post, and this is so OT, but...
I AM FINALLY A GEEK!

w00t! Ev'rybody in da club gettin' tipsy!!

The Art Of War:

hmm, this is a difficult subject.
with suicide, it is very true that you will just not know im many cases. the WILL hide it. they will just carry through.
i did know a boy who, when he was younger stayed with his mother every weekend. his parents were divorced. now, he did this every single weekend & lived with his father during the week.
well, one weekend when he was 9, he was invited to his first sleepover, it was over the weekend. he told his mum & she said it was okay.
while he was at the sleepover she went out for the night, im not sure where.
her car crashed & she died instantly.
the boy always blamed himself.
well, recently [the boy now in his early 20's] went & took some amphetamines called "shabang!".
this amphetamine turned out to make him have psychotic episodes & made him very depressed.
no one knew, & he arranged all his papers & everything & proceeded to jump off a bridge on to pavement.
he was killed instantly & a woman walking her dog found him the next morning.
he did not tell anyone. & this was not your basic case of suicide.

Well, I personally don't think there's anything unusual about this case of suicide. As I said before, when someone commits suicide, NO ONE except them knows the actual reasons. This might seem like a sudden happening, like the guy just randomly went out and killed himself high on meth, but this might have been going on for a long time for him, and this wasn't sudden at all, but something he's been considering for a long time, maybe even planning.
A lot of people hide their desire to die because they don't want to be stopped, or don't want others to feel guilty for not having stopped them while they knew it could have happened. Others tell their loved ones about their suicidal thoughts, because they want to be stopped, talked out of it or simply to see if anyone gives a shit.
Having something in common, all suicide cases are still unique - and their uniqueness is in the fact that no one except the suicider actually knows the true reasons of their decision. It might be stated as depression, guilt, fear, loss of faith...but what's actually brewing in the mind and soul of the suicider will remain a mystery. It's never sudden for them.

As for reconcidering...you just get fucking scared, and think: wait, don't, I still want to live, maybe it's still gonna work out for me...The panic is inevitable. But if you've decided to kill yourself, then most likely even if you decide to stop in the middle of your suicide attempt, it will sooner or later come back to you, and you will try again. If you've come to the point when suicide is the only way out for you, then the panic won't change it - just prolong the agony.

Faith:

The Art Of War:

hmm, this is a difficult subject.
with suicide, it is very true that you will just not know im many cases. the WILL hide it. they will just carry through.
i did know a boy who, when he was younger stayed with his mother every weekend. his parents were divorced. now, he did this every single weekend & lived with his father during the week.
well, one weekend when he was 9, he was invited to his first sleepover, it was over the weekend. he told his mum & she said it was okay.
while he was at the sleepover she went out for the night, im not sure where.
her car crashed & she died instantly.
the boy always blamed himself.
well, recently [the boy now in his early 20's] went & took some amphetamines called "shabang!".
this amphetamine turned out to make him have psychotic episodes & made him very depressed.
no one knew, & he arranged all his papers & everything & proceeded to jump off a bridge on to pavement.
he was killed instantly & a woman walking her dog found him the next morning.
he did not tell anyone. & this was not your basic case of suicide.

A lot of people hide their desire to die because they don't want to be stopped

So very true. I'm totally with you there. I think quite a lot of people have an urge to commit suicide but don't because they might regret it or it won't work. I'd be shit scared if I tried and it didn't work. Everyone would treat you like a zombie! And my parents...man, I'd get a huge screaming at.

*Blue Star*:

So very true. I'm totally with you there. I think quite a lot of people have an urge to commit suicide but don't because they might regret it or it won't work. I'd be shit scared if I tried and it didn't work. Everyone would treat you like a zombie! And my parents...man, I'd get a huge screaming at.

Yeah, if someone tries to stop a suicide attempt, it might only make it worse - they'll stop you in the middle, and then you'll end up alive but with a brain damage or some disability. No good.

If "God" didn't want you to commit suicide anyway, then surely he has the power to stop you? Maybe you were meant to die anyway.

Not too sure if that made sense but meh...

Nine_Inch_Nails:

If "God" didn't want you to commit suicide anyway, then surely he has the power to stop you? Maybe you were meant to die anyway.

Not too sure if that made sense but meh...

I like using that as an excuse to teachers Like..about homework and stuff, not suicide.

*Blue Star*:

Nine_Inch_Nails:

If "God" didn't want you to commit suicide anyway, then surely he has the power to stop you? Maybe you were meant to die anyway.

Not too sure if that made sense but meh...

I like using that as an excuse to teachers Like..about homework and stuff, not suicide.