Suicide and self harm!

*Blue Star*:

I think it's selfish to think that commiting suicide is selfish. What made them want to end their life? They probably put it off for so long, hoping things would get better because they thought it would be selfish. It's selfish to not let anyone do what they want because it's going to hurt you. Because it's not about you, it's their life.

Exactimondo.

*Breaks vow*

I disagree. Well, to my way of thinking, sure, it is my life. And I can kill myself if I want, nobody is stoppping me. But in the event of my death, other lives will be torn apart, people will be devestated and heartbroken (at least I hope!). Its my life...but once i'm dearly departed its going to be left up to my loved ones to bury me, to pick up the pieces and grieve for me. But of course, by then i'll be dead, not my problem, and i doubt i'll be much missed anyway.

bloodraine:

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I disagree. Well, to my way of thinking, sure, it is my life. And I can kill myself if I want, nobody is stoppping me. But in the event of my death, other lives will be torn apart, people will be devestated and hearbroken (at least I hope!). Its my life...but once i'm dearly departed its going to be left up to my loved ones to bury me, to pick up the pieces and grieve for me. But of course, by then i'll be dead, not my problem, and i doubt i'll be much missed anyway.

But what is the point in living if you are completly unhappy?
You can't live your life for others all the time, sometimes you have to do what you want, and sometimes it's even nessercary. If they went on living what would happen? They'd probably just sink deeper and deeper inside themselves, so they wouldn't really be much fun to be around anyway.

I agree. I'm just merely offering up what i beleive is what i would do should i ever be in a situation like that. Perhaps its just me and my good old attitude to life that always gets me into arguments and rarely drums up any support. I'm just sparing a thought for the ones left behind...if you know what i mean, because they're the ones who have to carry on, the ones who have to live day by day drowning in grief.

bloodraine:

*Breaks vow*

I disagree. Well, to my way of thinking, sure, it is my life. And I can kill myself if I want, nobody is stoppping me. But in the event of my death, other lives will be torn apart, people will be devestated and heartbroken (at least I hope!). Its my life...but once i'm dearly departed its going to be left up to my loved ones to bury me, to pick up the pieces and grieve for me. But of course, by then i'll be dead, not my problem, and i doubt i'll be much missed anyway.

My life got to the point of suicidalness exactly because I was always doing everything for others and not for myself. I'll sacrifice my happy Christmas to listen to my mother's drunken bullshit, I won't eat meet around a vegan, I speak a foreign language because I'm in a foreign country, so I don't make people around me feel uncomfortable, I'll cancel my plans to comfort my friend that got in a fight with her boyfriend, I will let my date choose what movie we're gonna watch, I will learn sign language to talk to my girlfriend's parents...
How often do we regret sacrificing our own happiness and comfort to the needs and wants ot those around us. And we keep on doing it, and regretting again...But when it comes to life and death, I will do what I want to do. and I believe that would be simply right.
Not a lot of us would willingly slowly die in pain for someone else - then why do you expect me to aimlessly live in pain for them?

Faith:

Not a lot of us would willingly slowly die in pain for someone else - then why do you expect me to aimlessly live in pain for them?

GREAT point there Faith!!

Before i start, lets get it clear that my previous post was meant in a light-hearted manner. I fully accept your opinion, and i do agree with it to some extent. I also appreciate that many of us here have been influenced by different backgrounds and so will have different perspectives on life. So i shopuld perhaps give you a reason for mine; Once i was given a second chance in life...i won't go into any detail but that influenced me in a big way. It made me appreciate life to such an extent i could never bring myself to end it.

And yes, we should be able to make our own decisions about life and death. Many people do. My decision, should i ever have to make one, would be largely different to yours given our differing lives. Now I, as an individual, would be prepared to keep myself alive for the sake of others. I owe them, i couldn't just leave them. You could, I couldn't. End of.

bloodraine:

Before i start, lets get it clear that my previous post was meant in a light-hearted manner. I fully accept your opinion, and i do agree with it to some extent. I also appreciate that many of us here have been influenced by different backgrounds and so will have different perspectives on life. So i shopuld perhaps give you a reason for mine; Once i was given a second chance in life...i won't go into any detail but that influenced me in a big way. It made me appreciate life to such an extent i could never bring myself to end it.

And yes, we should be able to make our own decisions about life and death. Many people do. My decision, should i ever have to make one, would be largely different to yours given our differing lives. Now I, as an individual, would be prepared to keep myself alive for the sake of others. I owe them, i couldn't just leave them. You could, I couldn't. End of.

I know what you mean, and I know that's how a lot of people feel. It's just been said so many times, that I had to give you my opinion on that.

I've been given a second chance in life too (well, I'm sure that's what most would call it), but that doesn't change how I feel.
Right now I live only because of my husband.
If someone who's death would kill me decided to commit suicide - I would not blame them or be mad at them.

I was discussing this with me R.E teacher the other day (because I'm the only person in my class with an opinion on anything)
And she argued that people believe someone will always be able to help them, and that people believe in God and that God will help them.
I pointed out that not everyone believes in God and those who don't probably think they're beyond help. And if living is such a misery for people, I don't think we should judge them badly for trying to end that misery. It's all just their choice.

If someone stops someone from commiting suicide because they're life will get better, I don't think that's selfish. But you gotta be pretty certain that they're life is getting better... o.O

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self harm is horrible
i know some people who used to do it
one of them is now dead
another had to move because their parents thought it would be a good idea to get away form their friends who were "influencing" thme to self harm
in other words
SELF HARM SUCKS

*green*day*freak*:

self harm is horrible
i know some people who used to do it
one of them is now dead
another had to move because their parents thought it would be a good idea to get away form their friends who were "influencing" thme to self harm
in other words
SELF HARM SUCKS

It doesn't at the time you're doing it though

*Blue Star*:

If someone stops someone from commiting suicide because they're life will get better, I don't think that's selfish. But you gotta be pretty certain that they're life is getting better... o.O

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In fact, stopping someone from killing themselves is most of the time a very selfish act - you don't do it because you think it's better for them, you do it for youself. 'Cuz you don't want to deal with the aftermath of their decision. It's like telling your friend not to move to a different state because you're gonna miss them. You may say you do it 'cuz you think it's better for them to stay, but you really do it only for yourself.
It's a very rare thing to actually know someone's life is gonna get better.

When i had my baby i got baby blues. I didnt think about it but I thought really that it isnt worth it. After all I wanted the baby and would miss the life.

Faith:

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If someone stops someone from commiting suicide because they're life will get better, I don't think that's selfish. But you gotta be pretty certain that they're life is getting better... o.O

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In fact, stopping someone from killing themselves is most of the time a very selfish act - you don't do it because you think it's better for them, you do it for youself. 'Cuz you don't want to deal with the aftermath of their decision. It's like telling your friend not to move to a different state because you're gonna miss them. You may say you do it 'cuz you think it's better for them to stay, but you really do it only for yourself.
It's a very rare thing to actually know someone's life is gonna get better.

"it is one of the most beautiful compensations of life that no man can sincerely try to help another without helping himself" - Ralph Waldo Emerson

severussnape:

I now think it's weak to kill yourself at a young age. It's selfish to leave loved ones behind and not even try harder when you're only 16. What have you bloody well experienced at 16? Most suicidal kids at that age and younger are angry at their parents, moody and confused TEENAGERS who get mood swings and have teen angst and all that rolrol. There's a reason why kids can't choose to drink, drive and do things they shouldn't cos they don't know any better. AND are they really worth it? They just act like it to make some sort of statement about themselves and make others feel bad. I spit on you face!

... Mind, I used to be like that.

However, some teenagers do have pretty hard lives. Its a harsh world out there, and some have to cope with more stress and strain in their early years than most adults have to face in a lifetime. Death in the family, rape, abuse, mental illness, these are all things which even the most worldly wise elder would struggle to cope with.

Faith:

*Blue Star*:

If someone stops someone from commiting suicide because they're life will get better, I don't think that's selfish. But you gotta be pretty certain that they're life is getting better... o.O

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In fact, stopping someone from killing themselves is most of the time a very selfish act - you don't do it because you think it's better for them, you do it for youself. 'Cuz you don't want to deal with the aftermath of their decision. It's like telling your friend not to move to a different state because you're gonna miss them. You may say you do it 'cuz you think it's better for them to stay, but you really do it only for yourself.
It's a very rare thing to actually know someone's life is gonna get better.

I actually told my friend she should move to Canada to get a better life...even though that meant having no one else to hang out with at school for the next few years...ah...off topic, sorry.

It's something a lot of people consider. And it comes with a lot of issues, whether it be familly or school. If it helps, then do it, but don't get too carried away. Read Cut by Patricia McCormick. That gives good understanding for people who aren't in the position.

My best friends father just passed away friday, he didnt commit suicide, he was working and he was killed. His son saw the whole thing. This all happened right before Christmas, imagine how lonly those holidays are going to be. I find it sick that people are throwing their lives away when innocent ones are being lost every second. Suicide is the cheap way out of dealing with probelms, their is ALWAYS an alternative and there is plenty of options other then suicide to cope with probelms.


Children die of cancer
Accidents kill people every year
Drunk Drives murder helpless by-standers
disease infects lives and eats away at them
Poverty crushes peoples hope of living

Suicide.... its also a cause of death, that is completly preventable, if they are helped.

With so many people fighting, giving it all they have to live, why would you end your life just because you can?

times get tough, things go wrong, bad things happen to good people, but giving up is the ultimate sign of weakness, letting your problems win. Im not going to say people who commit suicide regret it, because they never have the chance too

They never have the chance to build a life
They never have a chance to get the help they need
They never have a chance to help other people
The wont live happily married
They wont have amazing families and children
They wont be able to do all the amazing things they could have done with their lives
They wont have a life

I feel very strongly about suicide, ending a life when it gets hard is not acceptable, there is always someone to turn to no matter how alone you feel, trust me, I know. Beofre this Friday, I didnt know, I wasnt happy with myself, but after a death of someone your close to, you realize just how lucky you are. Each and every person reading this is lucky they are taking a breathe, that they are alive, and that they have their whole life ahead of them.