Suicide and self harm!

*Blue Star*Duj0indisguise:

living_in_repetition:

I doubt that it's a question of wha tyou really wants to do. perhaps the first few times you hurt yourself, but then it get into a urge, an addiction. and when you come so far that you'll commit suicide nothing else except that matters. you dont see bright on anything except death

That's exactly why I haven't given in yet. I don't want to get addicted especially if life somehow gets better and also, someone would find out.

you mean given in to hurting yourself? I cant really answer to that, but I think when the idea gets in to your head you've really deep down already. so the question of giving in is a bit out of place. but as long as you dont do it that's really really good. coz it isn't easy to stop.

Ok, I definitaly, 100% am against suicide. Harming yourself or cutting?? Ok, whatever, your body, your choice...but killing yourself? I definitaly can't have any respect for someone commits suicide, and I know it sounds harsh, but when somebody Does kill themself, I don't feel sympathy towards that person, i just don't. because, my beliefs?? Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem. Besides. Think about it, it's selfish. There r kids in countries all over the world with no homes, no food, no clothes, no family, nothing. But they do everything they can, they strive Just to stay alive. Life is so valuable to them, but then...people living common lives think they got it the worst cuz their families are fucked up, or whatever, and they think they just can't live anymore. I can feel sympathy for u if u have a fucked up family, fucked up life, but not if u choose to deal with it in that way. I just think it's wrong to take your own life. Anywho, like I said I'm SO against suicide. It's just NOT the way to deal.

*~Extraordinary_Girl~*:

Ok, I definitaly, 100% am against suicide. Harming yourself or cutting?? Ok, whatever, your body, your choice...but killing yourself? I definitaly can't have any respect for someone commits suicide, and I know it sounds harsh, but when somebody Does kill themself, I don't feel sympathy towards that person, i just don't. because, my beliefs?? Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem. Besides. Think about it, it's selfish. There r kids in countries all over the world with no homes, no food, no clothes, no family, nothing. But they do everything they can, they strive Just to stay alive. Life is so valuable to them, but then...people living common lives think they got it the worst cuz their families are fucked up, or whatever, and they think they just can't live anymore. I can feel sympathy for u if u have a fucked up family, fucked up life, but not if u choose to deal with it in that way. I just think it's wrong to take your own life. Anywho, like I said I'm SO against suicide. It's just NOT the way to deal.

but im sure those who do commit suicide would happily give their lives to the needy if they could. but they cant.

People just think suicide is the easy way out I guess.... I mean why struggle through your life when you could be released of all that?
I don't know anyone whos commited suicide, i've never thought about it, so I don't know what their frame of mind is.
But self-harm... guess I kinda see the point... am against it though due to the being able to get addicted to it.

I've never really thought about it. But if..let's say, something happened to one of my best friends and gets themselves killed for God knows what..THAT, I'd have to think about. But for now, I have a temporary problem and I feel the only way out is to either beat the shit out of someone or just plain kill them because I don't fucking pity myself.

okay... now I'm slightly upset here...
First of all, those who commit suicide are so depressed that they've crossed a line where live doesn't matter anymore. And when someone that you love and care for decide to end their life, yes you get questions. wonder why and so. that was their choice, and we're not supoused to feel sorry for them coz that was what they wanted. and it's selfish for the kids and other people that doesn't have a home, food etc. I see the point in that, yes it's horrible. but together with suicide.. thenit's selfish for the people that was left behind. those who have to live knowing that thir loved one didn't see a reason in them to live.. THhat's the really selfish reason... why couldn't they live for us!?

i used to cut myself. i would never have committed suicide. cutting myself made me feel relieved and helped with my anger. i am better now though

*~Extraordinary_Girl~*:

Ok, I definitaly, 100% am against suicide. Harming yourself or cutting?? Ok, whatever, your body, your choice...but killing yourself? I definitaly can't have any respect for someone commits suicide, and I know it sounds harsh, but when somebody Does kill themself, I don't feel sympathy towards that person, i just don't. because, my beliefs?? Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem. Besides. Think about it, it's selfish. There r kids in countries all over the world with no homes, no food, no clothes, no family, nothing. But they do everything they can, they strive Just to stay alive. Life is so valuable to them, but then...people living common lives think they got it the worst cuz their families are fucked up, or whatever, and they think they just can't live anymore. I can feel sympathy for u if u have a fucked up family, fucked up life, but not if u choose to deal with it in that way. I just think it's wrong to take your own life. Anywho, like I said I'm SO against suicide. It's just NOT the way to deal.

Load of crap.
Suicide is selfish? Well, so is saying that suicide is selfish. It's my life - I live the way I want to, I die the way I want to. Is that selfish? Maybe, but it's the only way to be. Suicide is not more selfish than trying to stop someone from commintting suicide - you don't do it for them, you do it for yourself. You make them suffer and live a life that they hate - for you, so you don't have to deal with losing them, so you feel good, while they suffer. Selfish.

And all that crap about those who supposedly have it worse - that's bullshit. Everyone has their own life, their own problems their own perceptions. Trust me, I would give up every single bit of my posessions and money to trade places with a starving hobo who's sleeping under the Casco Bay Bridge right now. No one knows how bad you have it, you can't compare one life to another. If a person commits suicide - they have it the worse, no matter how it looks to you or anyone else. Only they know how bad they have it, and if they do kill themselves, then sure as hell they have it bad enough.

It's like saying "Finish your food, don't you know kids are starving in Africa?" - that is so lame. Whether you finish that food or not, that will not in any way affect the starving kids. Nor will my suicide affect those who want to live.

Faith:

*~Extraordinary_Girl~*:

Ok, I definitaly, 100% am against suicide. Harming yourself or cutting?? Ok, whatever, your body, your choice...but killing yourself? I definitaly can't have any respect for someone commits suicide, and I know it sounds harsh, but when somebody Does kill themself, I don't feel sympathy towards that person, i just don't. because, my beliefs?? Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem. Besides. Think about it, it's selfish. There r kids in countries all over the world with no homes, no food, no clothes, no family, nothing. But they do everything they can, they strive Just to stay alive. Life is so valuable to them, but then...people living common lives think they got it the worst cuz their families are fucked up, or whatever, and they think they just can't live anymore. I can feel sympathy for u if u have a fucked up family, fucked up life, but not if u choose to deal with it in that way. I just think it's wrong to take your own life. Anywho, like I said I'm SO against suicide. It's just NOT the way to deal.

Load of crap.
Suicide is selfish? Well, so is saying that suicide is selfish. It's my life - I live the way I want to, I die the way I want to. Is that selfish? Maybe, but it's the only way to be. Suicide is not more selfish than trying to stop someone from commintting suicide - you don't do it for them, you do it for yourself. You make them suffer and live a life that they hate - for you, so you don't have to deal with losing them, so you feel good, while they suffer. Selfish.

And all that crap about those who supposedly have it worse - that's bullshit. Everyone has their own life, their own problems their own perceptions. Trust me, I would give up every single bit of my posessions and money to trade places with a starving hobo who's sleeping under the Casco Bay Bridge right now. No one knows how bad you have it, you can't compare one life to another. If a person commits suicide - they have it the worse, no matter how it looks to you or anyone else. Only they know how bad they have it, and if they do kill themselves, then sure as hell they have it bad enough.

It's like saying "Finish your food, don't you know kids are starving in Africa?" - that is so lame. Whether you finish that food or not, that will not in any way affect the starving kids. Nor will my suicide affect those who want to live.

Maybe, but what I'm saying is why end your life for something that's going wrong now, when you don't know. It could completely turn around. It's like I said. A permanent problem for a temporary solution. And I'm sad for the people that think that killing themself is the only way to deal, but I don't pity them, cuz it's not. Fix your problems. Don't feel so sorry for yourself that you can't live anymore, it's in a way pathetic. Sorry if I sound like a heartless bitch by the way...

*~Extraordinary_Girl~*:

Faith:

*~Extraordinary_Girl~*:

Ok, I definitaly, 100% am against suicide. Harming yourself or cutting?? Ok, whatever, your body, your choice...but killing yourself? I definitaly can't have any respect for someone commits suicide, and I know it sounds harsh, but when somebody Does kill themself, I don't feel sympathy towards that person, i just don't. because, my beliefs?? Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem. Besides. Think about it, it's selfish. There r kids in countries all over the world with no homes, no food, no clothes, no family, nothing. But they do everything they can, they strive Just to stay alive. Life is so valuable to them, but then...people living common lives think they got it the worst cuz their families are fucked up, or whatever, and they think they just can't live anymore. I can feel sympathy for u if u have a fucked up family, fucked up life, but not if u choose to deal with it in that way. I just think it's wrong to take your own life. Anywho, like I said I'm SO against suicide. It's just NOT the way to deal.

Load of crap.
Suicide is selfish? Well, so is saying that suicide is selfish. It's my life - I live the way I want to, I die the way I want to. Is that selfish? Maybe, but it's the only way to be. Suicide is not more selfish than trying to stop someone from commintting suicide - you don't do it for them, you do it for yourself. You make them suffer and live a life that they hate - for you, so you don't have to deal with losing them, so you feel good, while they suffer. Selfish.

And all that crap about those who supposedly have it worse - that's bullshit. Everyone has their own life, their own problems their own perceptions. Trust me, I would give up every single bit of my posessions and money to trade places with a starving hobo who's sleeping under the Casco Bay Bridge right now. No one knows how bad you have it, you can't compare one life to another. If a person commits suicide - they have it the worse, no matter how it looks to you or anyone else. Only they know how bad they have it, and if they do kill themselves, then sure as hell they have it bad enough.

It's like saying "Finish your food, don't you know kids are starving in Africa?" - that is so lame. Whether you finish that food or not, that will not in any way affect the starving kids. Nor will my suicide affect those who want to live.

Maybe, but what I'm saying is why end your life for something that's going wrong now, when you don't know. It could completely turn around. It's like I said. A permanent problem for a temporary solution. And I'm sad for the people that think that killing themself is the only way to deal, but I don't pity them, cuz it's not. Fix your problems. Don't feel so sorry for yourself that you can't live anymore, it's in a way pathetic. Sorry if I sound like a heartless bitch by the way...

Ummm....strike that...reverse it

*~Extraordinary_Girl~*:

Maybe, but what I'm saying is why end your life for something that's going wrong now, when you don't know. It could completely turn around. It's like I said. A permanent problem for a temporary solution. And I'm sad for the people that think that killing themself is the only way to deal, but I don't pity them, cuz it's not. Fix your problems. Don't feel so sorry for yourself that you can't live anymore, it's in a way pathetic. Sorry if I sound like a heartless bitch by the way...

No, you don't sound like a heartless bitch. Just like a person who needs to READ THE FUCKING THREAD!!! I'm really tired of proving the same shit wrong. I've already said all this on page 13, page 23, page 39 or whatever...About "everything will change" too. Not all things will change. When people kill themselves - they don't kill themselves because their boyfriend dumped them or because they feel shitty right now. It's because of an unfixable problem. And just because you don't see it or don't know about it, it doesn't mean it's not there. Not everything is changable. If one kills themselves - they have a reason. And whatever the fuck it is, it's pretty damn big. Maybe not to you, but to them. And that's what matters.

Faith:

*~Extraordinary_Girl~*:

Maybe, but what I'm saying is why end your life for something that's going wrong now, when you don't know. It could completely turn around. It's like I said. A permanent problem for a temporary solution. And I'm sad for the people that think that killing themself is the only way to deal, but I don't pity them, cuz it's not. Fix your problems. Don't feel so sorry for yourself that you can't live anymore, it's in a way pathetic. Sorry if I sound like a heartless bitch by the way...

No, you don't sound like a heartless bitch. Just like a person who needs to READ THE FUCKING THREAD!!! I'm really tired of proving the same shit wrong. I've already said all this on page 13, page 23, page 39 or whatever...About "everything will change" too. Not all things will change. When people kill themselves - they don't kill themselves because their boyfriend dumped them or because they feel shitty right now. It's because of an unfixable problem. And just because you don't see it or don't know about it, it doesn't mean it's not there. Not everything is changable. If one kills themselves - they have a reason. And whatever the fuck it is, it's pretty damn big. Maybe not to you, but to them. And that's what matters.

can you see how I get frusturated when the people all say the same thing yet it's the first thing that comes to everyone's mind?

my take on suicidals: THEY'RE NOT ALL THE SAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
holy shit, when you read anything on them it is this, "suicidals veiw suicide as a long term solution to a temporary problem. They need to know that what they are experiencing is just a disease and not actually their mind. They can be well if they just go see a doctor and realize everything will get better"

and just a ton of shit like that
I know at least ten suicidals (and I know around twenty-five people) and they're not all the same

people who want to commit suicide shouldn't be treated like a time bomb, they shouldn't be talked to like they aren't human

just talk to them and care about them, spend time with them

reasons for suicide vary with the suicidal, their veiw of suicide may be different
but all of them believe their life cannot be repaired and they will continue to believe it if you talk to them or think of them like they are inferior or not human
seriously, make a friend with a suicidal, some of the most unique people you will meet
over time they will lose their desire to kill themselves.....but it is a gradual process and you can't just tell them shit you read in a health book and think that it's right

maybe those health professionals are more qualified than me, but take what I said into consideration

*~Extraordinary_Girl~*:

Ok, I definitaly, 100% am against suicide. Harming yourself or cutting?? Ok, whatever, your body, your choice...but killing yourself? I definitaly can't have any respect for someone commits suicide, and I know it sounds harsh, but when somebody Does kill themself, I don't feel sympathy towards that person, i just don't. because, my beliefs?? Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem. Besides. Think about it, it's selfish. There r kids in countries all over the world with no homes, no food, no clothes, no family, nothing. But they do everything they can, they strive Just to stay alive. Life is so valuable to them, but then...people living common lives think they got it the worst cuz their families are fucked up, or whatever, and they think they just can't live anymore. I can feel sympathy for u if u have a fucked up family, fucked up life, but not if u choose to deal with it in that way. I just think it's wrong to take your own life. Anywho, like I said I'm SO against suicide. It's just NOT the way to deal.

You sound stupid hehe..

*Blue Star*Duj0indisguise:

*~Extraordinary_Girl~*:

Ok, I definitaly, 100% am against suicide. Harming yourself or cutting?? Ok, whatever, your body, your choice...but killing yourself? I definitaly can't have any respect for someone commits suicide, and I know it sounds harsh, but when somebody Does kill themself, I don't feel sympathy towards that person, i just don't. because, my beliefs?? Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem. Besides. Think about it, it's selfish. There r kids in countries all over the world with no homes, no food, no clothes, no family, nothing. But they do everything they can, they strive Just to stay alive. Life is so valuable to them, but then...people living common lives think they got it the worst cuz their families are fucked up, or whatever, and they think they just can't live anymore. I can feel sympathy for u if u have a fucked up family, fucked up life, but not if u choose to deal with it in that way. I just think it's wrong to take your own life. Anywho, like I said I'm SO against suicide. It's just NOT the way to deal.

You sound stupid hehe..

seriously, what an idiot
sorry EG, but you're way off topic

spill_no_sick:

*Blue Star*Duj0indisguise:

*~Extraordinary_Girl~*:

Ok, I definitaly, 100% am against suicide. Harming yourself or cutting?? Ok, whatever, your body, your choice...but killing yourself? I definitaly can't have any respect for someone commits suicide, and I know it sounds harsh, but when somebody Does kill themself, I don't feel sympathy towards that person, i just don't. because, my beliefs?? Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem. Besides. Think about it, it's selfish. There r kids in countries all over the world with no homes, no food, no clothes, no family, nothing. But they do everything they can, they strive Just to stay alive. Life is so valuable to them, but then...people living common lives think they got it the worst cuz their families are fucked up, or whatever, and they think they just can't live anymore. I can feel sympathy for u if u have a fucked up family, fucked up life, but not if u choose to deal with it in that way. I just think it's wrong to take your own life. Anywho, like I said I'm SO against suicide. It's just NOT the way to deal.

You sound stupid hehe..

seriously, what an idiot
sorry EG, but you're way off topic

Yeah..I'm sorry about that..

To all of you that say that suicide is selfish- remember that quite a lot of the people that kill themselves has had a very unfair life, and selfish- the ones that I think have a real reason for killing themselves has never been selfish in their lives...

*Blue Star*Duj0indisguise:

spill_no_sick:

*Blue Star*Duj0indisguise:

*~Extraordinary_Girl~*:

Ok, I definitaly, 100% am against suicide. Harming yourself or cutting?? Ok, whatever, your body, your choice...but killing yourself? I definitaly can't have any respect for someone commits suicide, and I know it sounds harsh, but when somebody Does kill themself, I don't feel sympathy towards that person, i just don't. because, my beliefs?? Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem. Besides. Think about it, it's selfish. There r kids in countries all over the world with no homes, no food, no clothes, no family, nothing. But they do everything they can, they strive Just to stay alive. Life is so valuable to them, but then...people living common lives think they got it the worst cuz their families are fucked up, or whatever, and they think they just can't live anymore. I can feel sympathy for u if u have a fucked up family, fucked up life, but not if u choose to deal with it in that way. I just think it's wrong to take your own life. Anywho, like I said I'm SO against suicide. It's just NOT the way to deal.

You sound stupid hehe..

seriously, what an idiot
sorry EG, but you're way off topic

Yeah..I'm sorry about that..

it's alright
but if the question was whether or not we think suicide is a good idea I would close the topic

I've only ever cut twice. And both them times, things were really really bad.
But I don't ever want to see myself doing it again.
I get depressed at the time, but I don't get suicidal. Well maybe I did once, but thats about it.

...I think this thread has really run full course as far as debating goes. We're just having the same old arguments tossed around. Some kid comes in on the 'Anti-Suicide' side, only to be gunned down by the 'Pro-Suicide' camp, and then they hit back with an equally good argument, and then some.

They cancel eachother out, then it all starts again.

Bloodraine:

...I think this thread has really run full course as far as debating goes. We're just having the same old arguments tossed around. Some kid comes in on the 'Anti-Suicide' side, only to be gunned down by the 'Pro-Suicide' camp, and then they hit back with an equally good argument, and then some.

They cancel eachother out, then it all starts again.

there are pro-suicide people on here?