Suicide and self harm!

spill_no_sick:

Bloodraine:

...I think this thread has really run full course as far as debating goes. We're just having the same old arguments tossed around. Some kid comes in on the 'Anti-Suicide' side, only to be gunned down by the 'Pro-Suicide' camp, and then they hit back with an equally good argument, and then some.

They cancel eachother out, then it all starts again.

there are pro-suicide people on here?

Well 'Pro-Choice' if you'd rather...

Bloodraine:

spill_no_sick:

Bloodraine:

...I think this thread has really run full course as far as debating goes. We're just having the same old arguments tossed around. Some kid comes in on the 'Anti-Suicide' side, only to be gunned down by the 'Pro-Suicide' camp, and then they hit back with an equally good argument, and then some.

They cancel eachother out, then it all starts again.

there are pro-suicide people on here?

Well 'Pro-Choice' if you'd rather...

okay.....
there are hippies for everything these days

spill_no_sick:

can you see how I get frusturated when the people all say the same thing yet it's the first thing that comes to everyone's mind?

my take on suicidals: THEY'RE NOT ALL THE SAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
holy shit, when you read anything on them it is this, "suicidals veiw suicide as a long term solution to a temporary problem. They need to know that what they are experiencing is just a disease and not actually their mind. They can be well if they just go see a doctor and realize everything will get better"

and just a ton of shit like that
I know at least ten suicidals (and I know around twenty-five people) and they're not all the same

people who want to commit suicide shouldn't be treated like a time bomb, they shouldn't be talked to like they aren't human

just talk to them and care about them, spend time with them

reasons for suicide vary with the suicidal, their veiw of suicide may be different
but all of them believe their life cannot be repaired and they will continue to believe it if you talk to them or think of them like they are inferior or not human
seriously, make a friend with a suicidal, some of the most unique people you will meet
over time they will lose their desire to kill themselves.....but it is a gradual process and you can't just tell them shit you read in a health book and think that it's right

maybe those health professionals are more qualified than me, but take what I said into consideration

Yeah, I agree with most of it. I basically said this somewhere in this thread a few times already, but the only thing I feel the need to comment on is that sometimes this "permanent solution" is to a permanent problem. Sometimes there is something in one's life that they really can't change and if they feel the need to end the suffering for themselves - it's their right, and I respect it.

As for those who are suicidal for other reasons (illness, extremely difficult situation) it might change, might not, but one thing that is certain - those people need support, not bashing. If they feel suicidal and some idiot tells them "You are so selfish and stupid" it will only make things worse and drive them over the edge...

hell, I'm saying this for about the 3456543th time already...

Anyways, I don't think that ya'll understand what I'm saying when I talk about kids who have it worse off or whatever. I mean, when people say "Finish your food, there r starving kids in Africa," it's not about what u can change for those people, it's the fact of being ungrateful. I mean, I know every case is different, but what I mean is there could be people in this world who have it the worst, but are so grateful to be alive that they'd do anything to keep the breath in their bodies. But then you think about people just ending their lives without a second thought. And look, I don't know. Every suicide case is different, but I just recently had an experience with a kid who commited suicide. I actually knew him pretty well. He was in 8th grade (my little sister knew him). Anyway, 8TH GRADE! And he commited suicide becuz Quote:"He had no friends, and people picked on him" anyway, that's what it said in the note. So maybe a lot of people do have a good reason, but can you honestly tell me that this kid did?? He was 13 freaking years old!! He so could've made friends, And sure, yea, he was miserable, but now I'm in high school, and I know that that kid could've changed something, but he took the easy way out and just ended his life. Could you MABYE see why I feel the way I do. Sorry if I sound like a Quote: "Idiot" or whatever, or a bitch, but I'm usually not like this, this topic just happens to be something I'm really opinionated about. I've had experience with suicide. A lot more than you may think or know. And I personally don't think it was necessary in any case I've seen it. So maybe some people do think it is, and I'm not saying I can change that. I know it's your life so you can do what you want, I just still think it's not the way to deal

*Blue Star*Duj0indisguise:

*~Extraordinary_Girl~*:

Ok, I definitaly, 100% am against suicide. Harming yourself or cutting?? Ok, whatever, your body, your choice...but killing yourself? I definitaly can't have any respect for someone commits suicide, and I know it sounds harsh, but when somebody Does kill themself, I don't feel sympathy towards that person, i just don't. because, my beliefs?? Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem. Besides. Think about it, it's selfish. There r kids in countries all over the world with no homes, no food, no clothes, no family, nothing. But they do everything they can, they strive Just to stay alive. Life is so valuable to them, but then...people living common lives think they got it the worst cuz their families are fucked up, or whatever, and they think they just can't live anymore. I can feel sympathy for u if u have a fucked up family, fucked up life, but not if u choose to deal with it in that way. I just think it's wrong to take your own life. Anywho, like I said I'm SO against suicide. It's just NOT the way to deal.

You sound stupid hehe..

Thanx so much You sound really mature yourself

There's a difference between someone throwing themselves infront of a train. I feel sorry for those people than the ones who fucking cut themselves with blunt scissors or some shit.

-Misery-:

There's a difference between someone throwing themselves infront of a train. I feel sorry for those people than the ones who fucking cut themselves with blunt scissors or some shit.

Hmmm...for me, it's hard to choose:

-People who want to forget all this emotional pain and thoughts going on in their head and just harm themselves for a gap of relief. It's almost like smoking. Sometimes cutting can stop people from going all the way and commiting suidide.

...or...

-People who need an end to everything... where everyday feels like torture and you can't carry on anymore. You've got absolutely no-one, not even people on GSB...nothing...

Actually...yesh, I agree with you. I'd have more sympathy for people who go all the way. Though lots of people make cutting sound bad...like,"Hey dude. I cut today... it's like... a relief. What should I do about? I really want scissors! Can you give me scissors? Please? Please? Please?" ... not all people are like that though. God...I've lost my point now..

And...I love you ava..

I think that suicide a seriouse situation like that is VERY important subject amoung teens......I mean anything ANYTHING in tht state of depesion will seek anything just to forget the pain...Its sad really.And it mostly starts with social problems. A student that gets picked at or maybe has trouble socializing because there shy is a problem cause u start to feel lonly... AND PERENTS NO THEY WON'T TELL U THAT THEY FEEL NEGLECTED!!! u have to ask them be nice tell them that its ok to tell someone about it weather its a teacher or an adult that u realy trust............

Having spent the last couple weeks studying the Holocaust, I was presented an interesting (morbid, but interesting) dilema.
Would I have wanted to survive the Holocaust? I was asked.
After a moment of thought I decided that I probably wouldn't. And even more likely couldn't. Survival then was random, but it still took strength of character and especially physical strength. That kind of experience would have broken me, I'm sure of it.
But the thought went on.
Without going into religion, I'll try to explain.
As a human, humans as equals, who are we to judge who has the right to live or die? What right do we have to that? Does that extend right down to our own lives? Our judgement is not objective. We have bias, we have an underlying agenda, whatever.
SO would I have died in a concentration camp? Most likely.
Could I have killed myself?
I don't know.

paradoxical:

Having spent the last couple weeks studying the Holocaust, I was presented an interesting (morbid, but interesting) dilema.
Would I have wanted to survive the Holocaust? I was asked.
After a moment of thought I decided that I probably wouldn't. And even more likely couldn't. Survival then was random, but it still took strength of character and especially physical strength. That kind of experience would have broken me, I'm sure of it.
But the thought went on.
Without going into religion, I'll try to explain.
As a human, humans as equals, who are we to judge who has the right to live or die? What right do we have to that? Does that extend right down to our own lives? Our judgement is not objective. We have bias, we have an underlying agenda, whatever.
SO would I have died in a concentration camp? Most likely.
Could I have killed myself?
I don't know.

Hitler commit suicide (pussy )
yeah I think people should be able to take their own lives
I think 99.99999% of the time it's selfish, but people make a ton of selfish choices

instead of what most people would feel if they found out a friend is suicidal (concerned) I would probably be furious

yes, that's the right word
it's a selfish mistake and is never done to the fullest extent, it is 99.9999999% selfish

but people should still have the choice

spill_no_sick:

paradoxical:

Having spent the last couple weeks studying the Holocaust, I was presented an interesting (morbid, but interesting) dilema.
Would I have wanted to survive the Holocaust? I was asked.
After a moment of thought I decided that I probably wouldn't. And even more likely couldn't. Survival then was random, but it still took strength of character and especially physical strength. That kind of experience would have broken me, I'm sure of it.
But the thought went on.
Without going into religion, I'll try to explain.
As a human, humans as equals, who are we to judge who has the right to live or die? What right do we have to that? Does that extend right down to our own lives? Our judgement is not objective. We have bias, we have an underlying agenda, whatever.
SO would I have died in a concentration camp? Most likely.
Could I have killed myself?
I don't know.

Hitler commit suicide (pussy )
yeah I think people should be able to take their own lives
I think 99.99999% of the time it's selfish, but people make a ton of selfish choices

instead of what most people would feel if they found out a friend is suicidal (concerned) I would probably be furious

yes, that's the right word
it's a selfish mistake and is never done to the fullest extent, it is 99.9999999% selfish

but people should still have the choice

Yeah, and that would be toward the end of the thought process.
The problem with the Holocaust is that once you really start to think about it, you can't stop.
In thelast couple weeks I've read 4 narratives concerning death camps and such. i'm reading another one that I just started last night. They weren't assigned, it's just that once my teachers realized how moved I was (no tears, just anger-- quite different from the rest of my class) they started handing me more stuff to read.

paradoxical:

Having spent the last couple weeks studying the Holocaust, I was presented an interesting (morbid, but interesting) dilema.
Would I have wanted to survive the Holocaust? I was asked.
After a moment of thought I decided that I probably wouldn't. And even more likely couldn't. Survival then was random, but it still took strength of character and especially physical strength. That kind of experience would have broken me, I'm sure of it.
But the thought went on.
Without going into religion, I'll try to explain.
As a human, humans as equals, who are we to judge who has the right to live or die? What right do we have to that? Does that extend right down to our own lives? Our judgement is not objective. We have bias, we have an underlying agenda, whatever.
SO would I have died in a concentration camp? Most likely.
Could I have killed myself?
I don't know.

Im doing a project on that. Well from the view point of Hitler. Its horrible some of the things they did in Concentration Camps. >_< Can you refer any books that your read? Might help me some.

Sheepo@_@:

paradoxical:

Having spent the last couple weeks studying the Holocaust, I was presented an interesting (morbid, but interesting) dilema.
Would I have wanted to survive the Holocaust? I was asked.
After a moment of thought I decided that I probably wouldn't. And even more likely couldn't. Survival then was random, but it still took strength of character and especially physical strength. That kind of experience would have broken me, I'm sure of it.
But the thought went on.
Without going into religion, I'll try to explain.
As a human, humans as equals, who are we to judge who has the right to live or die? What right do we have to that? Does that extend right down to our own lives? Our judgement is not objective. We have bias, we have an underlying agenda, whatever.
SO would I have died in a concentration camp? Most likely.
Could I have killed myself?
I don't know.

Im doing a project on that. Well from the view point of Hitler. Its horrible some of the things they did in Concentration Camps. >_< Can you refer any books that your read? Might help me some.

Sorry to butt in but i just spent the last 4 years studying the Holocaust and i have to say I learnt the most from reading survivors stories, there are alot more diary's than just Anne Frank, Eva's story is a brilliant read, because not only does it go into detail about life in Aushwitz but also the deportation of Jews after 1945 to Israel.

Dr Mengle would give you powerful insight to the working of concentration camps, but the best knowledge you will find is on the web.

NeoSteph:

Sheepo@_@:

paradoxical:

Having spent the last couple weeks studying the Holocaust, I was presented an interesting (morbid, but interesting) dilema.
Would I have wanted to survive the Holocaust? I was asked.
After a moment of thought I decided that I probably wouldn't. And even more likely couldn't. Survival then was random, but it still took strength of character and especially physical strength. That kind of experience would have broken me, I'm sure of it.
But the thought went on.
Without going into religion, I'll try to explain.
As a human, humans as equals, who are we to judge who has the right to live or die? What right do we have to that? Does that extend right down to our own lives? Our judgement is not objective. We have bias, we have an underlying agenda, whatever.
SO would I have died in a concentration camp? Most likely.
Could I have killed myself?
I don't know.

Im doing a project on that. Well from the view point of Hitler. Its horrible some of the things they did in Concentration Camps. >_< Can you refer any books that your read? Might help me some.

Sorry to butt in but i just spent the last 4 years studying the Holocaust and i have to say I learnt the most from reading survivors stories, there are alot more diary's than just Anne Frank, Eva's story is a brilliant read, because not only does it go into detail about life in Aushwitz but also the deportation of Jews after 1945 to Israel.

Dr Mengle would give you powerful insight to the working of concentration camps, but the best knowledge you will find is on the web.

Thanks, Its hard to find good books around my area. =/ Theres only like five good books on the Holocaust and we searched like 4 libraries

paradoxical:

Having spent the last couple weeks studying the Holocaust, I was presented an interesting (morbid, but interesting) dilema.
Would I have wanted to survive the Holocaust? I was asked.
After a moment of thought I decided that I probably wouldn't. And even more likely couldn't. Survival then was random, but it still took strength of character and especially physical strength. That kind of experience would have broken me, I'm sure of it.
But the thought went on.
Without going into religion, I'll try to explain.
As a human, humans as equals, who are we to judge who has the right to live or die? What right do we have to that? Does that extend right down to our own lives? Our judgement is not objective. We have bias, we have an underlying agenda, whatever.
SO would I have died in a concentration camp? Most likely.
Could I have killed myself?
I don't know.

Well, I think we can't decide whether someone else has to die or not, just like we can't decide how they live their lives. But one can decide whether to take their own life or not. It's my life, I think I have a right to end it.

I don't know about Holocaust. If I was there, if that was a part of my life, then it would have been a different life from what I have now, and I would be a different person. I really don't know what I would be like and whether I would kill myself or not. It wouldn't really be me.

Sheepo@_@:

NeoSteph:

Sheepo@_@:

paradoxical:

Having spent the last couple weeks studying the Holocaust, I was presented an interesting (morbid, but interesting) dilema.
Would I have wanted to survive the Holocaust? I was asked.
After a moment of thought I decided that I probably wouldn't. And even more likely couldn't. Survival then was random, but it still took strength of character and especially physical strength. That kind of experience would have broken me, I'm sure of it.
But the thought went on.
Without going into religion, I'll try to explain.
As a human, humans as equals, who are we to judge who has the right to live or die? What right do we have to that? Does that extend right down to our own lives? Our judgement is not objective. We have bias, we have an underlying agenda, whatever.
SO would I have died in a concentration camp? Most likely.
Could I have killed myself?
I don't know.

Im doing a project on that. Well from the view point of Hitler. Its horrible some of the things they did in Concentration Camps. >_< Can you refer any books that your read? Might help me some.

Sorry to butt in but i just spent the last 4 years studying the Holocaust and i have to say I learnt the most from reading survivors stories, there are alot more diary's than just Anne Frank, Eva's story is a brilliant read, because not only does it go into detail about life in Aushwitz but also the deportation of Jews after 1945 to Israel.

Dr Mengle would give you powerful insight to the working of concentration camps, but the best knowledge you will find is on the web.

Thanks, Its hard to find good books around my area. =/ Theres only like five good books on the Holocaust and we searched like 4 libraries

Maus I and Maus II by Art Spiegelman (it's a narration of his father's story, comic style)
Night Elie Weisel
To See You Again Betty Schimmel and Joyce Gabriel (I just started this one, but it's a true story and very touching thus far)
I also read Nightfather, but I don't recommend it because of the almost laughing narrative and the lack of specific content.

spill_no_sick:

paradoxical:

Having spent the last couple weeks studying the Holocaust, I was presented an interesting (morbid, but interesting) dilema.
Would I have wanted to survive the Holocaust? I was asked.
After a moment of thought I decided that I probably wouldn't. And even more likely couldn't. Survival then was random, but it still took strength of character and especially physical strength. That kind of experience would have broken me, I'm sure of it.
But the thought went on.
Without going into religion, I'll try to explain.
As a human, humans as equals, who are we to judge who has the right to live or die? What right do we have to that? Does that extend right down to our own lives? Our judgement is not objective. We have bias, we have an underlying agenda, whatever.
SO would I have died in a concentration camp? Most likely.
Could I have killed myself?
I don't know.

Hitler commit suicide (pussy )
yeah I think people should be able to take their own lives
I think 99.99999% of the time it's selfish, but people make a ton of selfish choices

instead of what most people would feel if they found out a friend is suicidal (concerned) I would probably be furious

yes, that's the right word
it's a selfish mistake and is never done to the fullest extent, it is 99.9999999% selfish

but people should still have the choice

i agree. people die anyway and it;s there life.

my friend calls cuts "emo scars"

after my surgery, i was like really depress cuz i had 2 or 3 friends at school n evryone was makin fun cuz of 'spetial treatment' teachers gave me. it was like really odd, but my mom made an appointment with a therapy and now my life if full of happiness (it's not a quote from a book XD)...actually, i'm still seein my therapy, she's so cool, but it's a bit scary, cuz i'm just 14 n i already need a therapy, how lost am I?

this has nothin 2 do but, really, guys, stop cuttin n harmin yourselves, it's really dangerous (n disgustin), u can find relief in other stuff...like me with bubblegum and green day!

what bout talkin with other people??

XelmoX:

ok i was on a forum recently and there was a poll about suicide and more than half of the ppl that voted have considered it at one stage or another! i really want to hear ppls views on it bcos this was only irish ppl that voted! and maybe irish ppl are just extremely depressed ppl! so let me no wat ur views on it are please!

i thought irish were all happy people?