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miau
King For A Couple Of Days
Age: 32
Gender: Female
Posts: 4469 | March 29th, 2006 at 10:24am I'd never think about suicide or cutting myself.
I mean, yeah, of course, sometimes I'm really sad, even to the point I really lost hope. But that's just what it seems in that moment. Nothing's ever completely hopeless. There's always a way to fix it. I don't understand people who cut themselves. I mean, does that solve problems? Or is that really the only way to deal with problems? Tell me I'm looking blank, but I really don't know what's going on in their minds. They must be really desperate. I am a happy, fun-loving person and I never wanted to die. Of course it'll happen some day, but I can't think of a reason for me to kill myself. It's really selfish, by the way. Ever thought of the family or friends of people who commited suicide? Or the people who fought with them and now will be feeling guilty for the rest of their lives because they think they're they reason for the action? |
paper shoes
This Board Is My Home
Age: 34
Gender: Female
Posts: 34269 | March 29th, 2006 at 12:47pm Not Just Another Puppet!:I'd never think about suicide or cutting myself.
I mean, yeah, of course, sometimes I'm really sad, even to the point I really lost hope. But that's just what it seems in that moment. Nothing's ever completely hopeless. There's always a way to fix it. I don't understand people who cut themselves. I mean, does that solve problems? Or is that really the only way to deal with problems? Tell me I'm looking blank, but I really don't know what's going on in their minds. They must be really desperate. I am a happy, fun-loving person and I never wanted to die. Of course it'll happen some day, but I can't think of a reason for me to kill myself. It's really selfish, by the way. Ever thought of the family or friends of people who commited suicide? Or the people who fought with them and now will be feeling guilty for the rest of their lives because they think they're they reason for the action? It is not selfish, it's your fucking life and you can kill yourself if you want it. |
Matt Smith
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Posts: 31134
  | March 29th, 2006 at 12:49pm Harlequin Girl:It is not selfish, it's your fucking life and you can kill yourself if you want it.
If you put 'In my opinion' before that statement, It'd look a lot better...
Because we're not all clones, are we?. Not yet. |
paper shoes
This Board Is My Home
Age: 34
Gender: Female
Posts: 34269 | March 29th, 2006 at 12:49pm Bloodraine:Harlequin Girl:It is not selfish, it's your fucking life and you can kill yourself if you want it.
If you put 'In my opinion' before that statement, It'd look a lot better...
Because we're not all clones, are we?. Not yet. Most things we say is our opinion, so would we have to add it before every thing we say? |
Matt Smith
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Posts: 31134
| March 29th, 2006 at 12:52pm Harlequin Girl:Bloodraine:Harlequin Girl:It is not selfish, it's your fucking life and you can kill yourself if you want it.
If you put 'In my opinion' before that statement, It'd look a lot better...
Because we're not all clones, are we?. Not yet. Everything we say is our opinion, so would we have to add it before every thing we say?
Not necessarily.
The socks I'm wearng right now are white.
That is not an opinion, that is fact. Basically, I might think that if I killed myself right now it'd be selfish, but you might think if I killed myself right now I wouldn't be... |
Nine_Inch_Nails
Falling In Love With The Board
Age: 35
Gender: Female
Posts: 8334 | March 29th, 2006 at 12:55pm Bloodraine:Harlequin Girl:Bloodraine:Harlequin Girl:It is not selfish, it's your fucking life and you can kill yourself if you want it.
If you put 'In my opinion' before that statement, It'd look a lot better...
Because we're not all clones, are we?. Not yet. Everything we say is our opinion, so would we have to add it before every thing we say?
Not necessarily.
The socks I'm wearng right now are white.
That is not an opinion, that is fact. Basically, I might think that if I killed myself right now it'd be selfish, but you might think if I killed myself right now I wouldn't be...
And if I wanted to be all deep and annoying I could say ahhh but how do you KNOW what you see as white is white?
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Matt Smith
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| March 29th, 2006 at 12:57pm Nine_Inch_Nails:And if I wanted to be all deep and annoying I could say ahhh but how do you KNOW what you see as white is white?
STFU 
I secretly knew that one was coming...From whom it would come I did not know...  |
SARAnade
King For A Couple Of Days
Age: 35
Gender: Female
Posts: 2228 | March 29th, 2006 at 06:49pm Not Just Another Puppet!: Nothing's ever completely hopeless. There's always a way to fix it. I don't understand people who cut themselves. I mean, does that solve problems? Or is that really the only way to deal with problems? Tell me I'm looking blank, but I really don't know what's going on in their minds. i guess you wouldnt really know if youve never done it before, trust me i know from experience that when you are cutting yourself, you dont think of anything except the pain and and it does feel good. now obviously its stupid and hazardous to your health and well-being, and its good that your asking questions about it but ask something like "is this person really is having a rough go" not "why do they do that, its stupid".. |
ave
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Age: 36
Gender: Female
Posts: 260 | March 29th, 2006 at 07:50pm Not Just Another Puppet!:They must be really desperate. I am a happy, fun-loving person and I never wanted to die. Of course it'll happen some day, but I can't think of a reason for me to kill myself. It's really selfish, by the way. Ever thought of the family or friends of people who commited suicide? Or the people who fought with them and now will be feeling guilty for the rest of their lives because they think they're they reason for the action?
Its not selfish. Its your life and you can kill yourself if you want to. If a person is so fucked up that they want to kill themselves shouldnt you be blaming the family and friends instead of feeling bad for them? They were obviously not very good to the person. And if someone fought with the person, they SHOULD feel guilty. maybe it WAS them who caused the action. People dont stay alive for other people, they stay alive for themselves. They shouldnt be living miserably for other people.
And about the desprate part.. i can tell you from experiance that yeah, you feel desprate. its something that decreases stress and it makes you feel better. some people find relief in something like cutting themselves. not all people have happy lives such as yourself. |
GreenDayislife
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Posts: 705 | March 30th, 2006 at 11:36pm iv cut my self a couple of times. everytime i have to make up some stupid reason on why i have cuts because my parents freak out about that kind of thing and they would never understand. actualy my mom might but thats beside the point. basicly i think people should be able to cut/kill your self if you like because its your life and you have the right to live it as you choose. |
robotchicken.
Falling In Love With The Board
Age: 34
Gender: Female
Posts: 8423
| March 30th, 2006 at 11:47pm Cut[e]:-drenched.in.my.pain-:i luv lemons..
you could like...squeeze them onto your cuts...
but then you cant eat em
what a waste..
That was pretty pointless of you to say. And no one squeezes lemons on their cuts 'cause it would hurt like hell. No no no. You put salt in your cut then put an ice on it Takes the pain away. |
Plug In Baby.
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Posts: 11334 | March 31st, 2006 at 12:51am GreenDayislife:iv cut my self a couple of times. everytime i have to make up some stupid reason on why i have cuts because my parents freak out about that kind of thing and they would never understand. actualy my mom might but thats beside the point. basicly i think people should be able to cut/kill your self if you like because its your life and you have the right to live it as you choose.
You had to make up a reason? Is this because you never had a reason in the first place?
And they are perfectly within their right to freak out. Ever thought that they are freaking out because they love you and don't want you to suffer or feel as if you have to turn to that?
And they also probably feel that you are trying to commit suicide. They definatly don't want that. |
sid teh rocker
King For A Couple Of Days
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Posts: 2909 | March 31st, 2006 at 06:10am Everyone gets sad. Get over it |
Plug In Baby.
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Age: 34
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Posts: 11334 | March 31st, 2006 at 06:29am sid teh rocker:Everyone gets sad. Get over it
Yeah, but not everyone gets sad to that extent.
You cant just tell someone to "get over it"
A lot of people cant just get over it. |
stilinski
King For A Couple Of Days
Age: 33
Gender: Female
Posts: 3581
| March 31st, 2006 at 09:38am People who attempt or do commit suicide, don't really want to die, they are looking for a solution, which they haven't found. Suicide is just a cry for help.
The best way to see it is the funnel theory. let's say we have a he:
at the beginning, the person is just looking for solutions, but not really making up his mind about anything. Then he scraps out some ideas he had because of just plain rationality. Then there's what we call the flash, the moment where the idea of suicide comes to mind. But at that point the person most probably doesn't event think it's a good idea. Then he continues to slowly eliminate all the other solutions he had found until all that's left for him is suicide (Crystallization). So suicide is never their first choice.
The best way to deal with a person who is beyond the stage of the flash is to first not sermonize him about how it's bad it is to commit suicide, etc. And neither to ignore him, which is just as bad, or maybe worse. You have to be honest with them and know what you're doing. Also try to get help from an outsider, so he/she can tell you wether or not you're doing the right things. But tell the concerned person before, so he can feel that you're not playing behind his back, which would make you go to your starting point.
Finally, one question:
If somebody you tried to help still commited suicide and died, would you feel guilty?
If you answered yes, don't help anybody who is thinking about suicide, YOU might not go through it. |
stilinski
King For A Couple Of Days
Age: 33
Gender: Female
Posts: 3581
| March 31st, 2006 at 09:40am Also, the path that leads to suicide has a peak, and if you can make that person go through the peak, he/she is most probably out-of-danger for the moment.
some F.A.Q. we had in class:
Is apparent happiness a sign that the person isn't suicidal anymore?
Of course not. The person is probably only happy to have found what he/she thinks is a good solution.
Suicidal once, suicidal forever?
No. It can be a long journey to get back to a 'normal' life, but it's obviously possible.
Is it genetic?
You can be influenced by the way your family tends to react to events, but it's not really genetic.
Are richer or poorer people more at risk?
No, not really. It all depends on how you cope with things in general. And rich and poor people have different problems and worries.
How much time do you have to react to a cry for help?
Not-so-surprisingly, it depends on the age.
usually:
Teenagers are said to have a really fast pulsion, in most cases you have a couple hours.
Adults (21-39): you have a couple days, maybe.
Older Adults (40-50): 2-3 weeks
Elder people: 2-3 months.
There is so many things I could tell about it. It was the subject we were seeing last trimester, and really, I learned so much. It was, strangely enough in religion class. |
rock_music_GD
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Posts: 108 | March 31st, 2006 at 10:19am I get depressed an anxious a lot . . . Sometimes I cut myself, but last night was the first time in a while . . . two crosses, one on each leg; every time I look at them I feel sick . . . I've never considered suicide, that's just too depressed, even for me . . .
**EDIT**
Just been thinking, try hard emos are people who parade around showing marks. Peoples who are genuinely depressed cut where no one can see (thighs are an easy way to get out of people seeing . . .). So anyone who shows people all the time are trying to be emos . . . yeah.\
**EDIT**
Just read most of the board . . . MAN, there are more people like me here than I realised . . . More stupid people than I realised, as well . . . Anyway, heard peoples talking about music which makes them feel good and I just thought I'd like to say Good Charlotte keeps me happy (so does Green Day, but they came later . . . Just today, actually, I realised how they help me . . .) and Simple Plan somehow pulls me out of wanting to hurt themselves (yesterday my Simple Plan mix wasn't working . . . I threw it and it snapped . . . Yes, I was angry as ALL FUCK).
Anyway, I'm going to sound like a fucking tryhard emo so I'll shut shut the hell up now . . . |
GreenDayislife
Idiot
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Gender: -
Posts: 705 | April 2nd, 2006 at 09:08pm Coff:GreenDayislife:iv cut my self a couple of times. everytime i have to make up some stupid reason on why i have cuts because my parents freak out about that kind of thing and they would never understand. actualy my mom might but thats beside the point. basicly i think people should be able to cut/kill your self if you like because its your life and you have the right to live it as you choose.
You had to make up a reason? Is this because you never had a reason in the first place?
And they are perfectly within their right to freak out. Ever thought that they are freaking out because they love you and don't want you to suffer or feel as if you have to turn to that?
And they also probably feel that you are trying to commit suicide. They definatly don't want that.
i basicly tell them that i got cut climbing over a fence or i got caught in a thorn bush. i just dont want then to get involved |
Lucifers Angel
King For A Couple Of Days
Age: -
Gender: Female
Posts: 4751 | April 3rd, 2006 at 06:45am Barenaked Stunt.:People who attempt or do commit suicide, don't really want to die, they are looking for a solution, which they haven't found. Suicide is just a cry for help.
The best way to see it is the funnel theory. let's say we have a he:
at the beginning, the person is just looking for solutions, but not really making up his mind about anything. Then he scraps out some ideas he had because of just plain rationality. Then there's what we call the flash, the moment where the idea of suicide comes to mind. But at that point the person most probably doesn't event think it's a good idea. Then he continues to slowly eliminate all the other solutions he had found until all that's left for him is suicide (Crystallization). So suicide is never their first choice.
The best way to deal with a person who is beyond the stage of the flash is to first not sermonize him about how it's bad it is to commit suicide, etc. And neither to ignore him, which is just as bad, or maybe worse. You have to be honest with them and know what you're doing. Also try to get help from an outsider, so he/she can tell you wether or not you're doing the right things. But tell the concerned person before, so he can feel that you're not playing behind his back, which would make you go to your starting point.
Finally, one question:
If somebody you tried to help still commited suicide and died, would you feel guilty?
If you answered yes, don't help anybody who is thinking about suicide, YOU might not go through it.
some people generally want to die, what about the people who are in pain constantly, the people who are dieing of terminal illnesses? Are they just crying out for help? |
stilinski
King For A Couple Of Days
Age: 33
Gender: Female
Posts: 3581
| April 3rd, 2006 at 08:50am Magne:Barenaked Stunt.: In most cases, people who attempt or do commit suicide, don't really want to die, they are looking for a solution, which they haven't found. Suicide is just a cry for help.
The best way to see it is the funnel theory. let's say we have a he:
at the beginning, the person is just looking for solutions, but not really making up his mind about anything. Then he scraps out some ideas he had because of just plain rationality. Then there's what we call the flash, the moment where the idea of suicide comes to mind. But at that point the person most probably doesn't event think it's a good idea. Then he continues to slowly eliminate all the other solutions he had found until all that's left for him is suicide (Crystallization). So suicide is never their first choice.
The best way to deal with a person who is beyond the stage of the flash is to first not sermonize him about how it's bad it is to commit suicide, etc. And neither to ignore him, which is just as bad, or maybe worse. You have to be honest with them and know what you're doing. Also try to get help from an outsider, so he/she can tell you wether or not you're doing the right things. But tell the concerned person before, so he can feel that you're not playing behind his back, which would make you go to your starting point.
Finally, one question:
If somebody you tried to help still commited suicide and died, would you feel guilty?
If you answered yes, don't help anybody who is thinking about suicide, YOU might not go through it.
some people generally want to die, what about the people who are in pain constantly, the people who are dieing of terminal illnesses? Are they just crying out for help?
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