Suicide and self harm!

Magne:

some people generally want to die, what about the people who are in pain constantly, the people who are dieing of terminal illnesses? Are they just crying out for help?

That is euthanasia, not suicide.

sid teh rocker:

Everyone gets sad. Get over it

Yeah..that's ture. But it's what's causes that sadness that makes it hurt more.
Losing your 80 year old Grandma who you never see in her sleep is kinda different
then watching your 10 year old only child die of cancer.
Both lose someone sure, but one person was lost in a more painful way then the other.
Some people have greater and more pain then others.

+Messiahofthe7-11+:

sid teh rocker:

Everyone gets sad. Get over it

Yeah..that's ture. But it's what's causes that sadness that makes it hurt more.
Losing your 80 year old Grandma who you never see in her sleep is kinda different
then watching your 10 year old only child die of cancer.
Both lose someone sure, but one person was lost in a more painful way then the other.
Some people have greater and more pain then others.

Yeah. And some people never tell anyone when they are upset, and it just builds up over the years, and it just mounts into something massive, so even if something bad isn't happening at the time, they are still really unstable.

I know a few people who cut there wrists and it scares the fuck out of me!

Bloodraine:

Magne:

some people generally want to die, what about the people who are in pain constantly, the people who are dieing of terminal illnesses? Are they just crying out for help?

That is euthanasia, not suicide.

what about the people who kill themselves because they are ill? i wasnt talking about assisited death i was talking about suicide.

Magne:

Bloodraine:

Magne:

some people generally want to die, what about the people who are in pain constantly, the people who are dieing of terminal illnesses? Are they just crying out for help?

That is euthanasia, not suicide.

what about the people who kill themselves because they are ill? i wasnt talking about assisited death i was talking about suicide.

No, that is still euthanasia. Euthanasia literally means 'gentle death' and freedom from pain and illness.

Asssited suicide- Providing a terminally ill person with the means of comitting suicide
Voluntary euthanasia- Where someone in pain asks a doctor to provide methods for them to end his/her life painlessly.
Non Voluntary euthanasia- exactly what it says on the tin.

It's going to be one of the above; giving someone a means to commit suicide when they are in pain is euthanasia, whether they kill themselves or they ask someone to do it for them.

in today's society it's easy to why ppl would attempt suicide..bullying is a huge factor in that...not everyone does it for attention, there are actually ppl out there who feel unworthy of life.

I have never thought about cutting myself but alot of teens today are depressed. I don't think cutting is the way to go.

Sometimes I go through 'depressive stages' in my life, if something bad has happened or it's just the wrong time of the month, , I went through a bad stage about 4 months ago where I used to cut, but I got over it and faced my demons and i'm cut free again, I don't think anyone should have to resort to self harm, but it's their way of taking away their pain and troubles away and I can't stop them, it's their life, although if they considered suicide i'd talk them out of it, I talked myself out of it a couple of times..

Diskoh:

Sometimes I go through 'depressive stages' in my life, if something bad has happened or it's just the wrong time of the month, , I went through a bad stage about 4 months ago where I used to cut, but I got over it and faced my demons and i'm cut free again, I don't think anyone should have to resort to self harm, but it's their way of taking away their pain and troubles away and I can't stop them, it's their life, although if they considered suicide i'd talk them out of it, I talked myself out of it a couple of times..

I'm sorry to hear that Jenni Jen. I've onlt cut a few times but I've managed to stop myself. I know that there are a lot of people who would love it if I slit my wrists, and believe me, I want to, but I'm not going to give them the satisfaction of knowing they've won. I'm only bleeding on the inside and thanks to friends like you Jneii, things are getting better. Of course I still have many enemies but sicne when have I given a flying fuck what they thought?

If you're having trouble with self harm just tell yuorself that people love you. I know it's hard, cuz I've been there myself, but tell a friend. I don't reccomend telling your parents as it gets all "it's very bad" and shit so yeah.And if the person laughs or doesn't seem to get it, tell them to fuck off and call them a heartless bastard. There's nothing worse than being called an attention seeker when you actually have a problem.

That's another thing that pisses me off- attention seekers. Cutting yourself doesn't make you look hard or cool. It makes you look pathetic if you go up to everyone and say "Oh, I cut myself". People who self-harm do it to relieve mental/emotional pain. Stop poisoning something so fragile!

I'm not Irish...and i consider it mostly every day. And no I don't do it just for the stereotype...I don't know if I'm "medically" depressed but i think I am cause i go from being so happy and hyper to wanting to die...

fire_at_will528ox:

I'm not Irish...and i consider it mostly every day. And no I don't do it just for the stereotype...I don't know if I'm "medically" depressed but i think I am cause i go from being so happy and hyper to wanting to die...

I think the term you are looking for is Bipolar (aka manic-depressive illness).

What does your nationallity have to do with this, anyway?

fire_at_will528ox:

I'm not Irish...and i consider it mostly every day. And no I don't do it just for the stereotype...I don't know if I'm "medically" depressed but i think I am cause i go from being so happy and hyper to wanting to die...

o.O How does being Irish make you suffer from depression?

http://www.pendulum.org

Info on BiPolar disorders.......

There are different degrees of manic depression/bipolar disorder......

I happened to have "lucked out" and gotten the worst one Bipolar1

but there are also 2, 3, and dysthemia which aren't as severe........

hope this helped!

A LOT of times Borderline Disorder Personality, goes along with a BP1 DX.........

it does in mine................................................


The symptoms of borderline patients are similar to those for which most people seek psychiatric help: depression, mood swings, the use and abuse of drugs and alcohol as a means of trying to feel better; obsessions, phobias, feelings of emptiness and loneliness, inability to tolerate being alone, problems about eating.

But, in addition, borderlines show great difficulties in controlling ragefulness; they are unusually impulsive, they fall in and out of love suddenly; they tend to idealize other people and then abruptly despise them. A consequence of all this is that they typically look for help from a therapist and then suddenly quit in terrible disappointment and anger.

Underneath all these symptoms, therapists began to see in borderline people an inability to tolerate the levels of anxiety, frustration, rejection and loss that most people are able to put up with, an inability to soothe and comfort themselves when they become upset, and an inability to control the impulses toward the expression, through action, of love and hate that most people are able to hold in check. And, furthermore, what most defines the "borderline" personality, is great difficulty in holding on to a stable, consistent sense of one's self: "Who am I?" these people ask. "My life is in chaos; sometimes I feel like I can do anything - other times I want to die because I feel so incompetent, helpless and loathsome. I'm a lot of different people instead of being just one person."

The one word that best characterizes borderline personality is "instability." Their emotions are unstable, fluctuating wildly for no discernible reason. Their thinking is unstable - rational and clear at times, quite psychotic at other times. Their behavior is unstable - often with periods of excellent conduct, high efficiency and trustworthiness alternating with outbreaks of babyishness, suddenly quitting a job, withdrawing into isolation, failing.
Their self control is unstable - ranging from the extreme self denial of anorexia to being at the mercy of impulses. And their relationships are unstable. They may sacrifice themselves for others, only to reach their limit suddenly and fly into rageful reproaches, or they may curry favor with obedient submission only to rebel, out of the blue, in a tantrum.

Associated with this instability is terrible anxiety, guilt and self-loathing for which relief is sought at any cost - medicine, drugs, alcohol, overeating, suicide. Sadly, oddly, self mutilation is discovered by many borderline people to provide faster relief than anything else - cutting or burning themselves stops the anxiety temporarily.

The effect upon others of all this trouble is profound: family members never know what to expect from their volatile child, siblings, or spouse, except they know they can expect trouble: suicide threats and attempts, self-inflicted injuries, outbursts of rage and recrimination, impulsive marriages, divorces, pregnancies and abortions; repeated starting and stopping of jobs and school careers, and a pervasive sense, on the part of the family, of being unable to help.

Sometimes, severe and chronic chaos in the family life plays an important role, but one has to differentiate the objective behavior of the family from the patient's subjective experience.

And, of course, the effect of the illness upon the life of the patient is equally profound: jobs are lost, successes are spoiled, relationships shattered, families alienated. The end result is all too often the failure of a promising life, or a tragic suicide.

most people pretend to be depressed to fit the "goth/punk/emo" sterotype.....[/quote]

i totally agree, most people arent "depressed" they just think yeah im cool and i have no life so lets kill myself! all that does it make you more angry i think...

also how does cutting yourself release pain?!?!?!?!

and who the heck thought of it...


i can just imagine"wow im depressed i think i will cut myself in the arm to feel cool"

it just doesnt fit together!

stewie vs. broccoli:

most people pretend to be depressed to fit the "goth/punk/emo" sterotype.....

i totally agree, most people arent "depressed" they just think yeah im cool and i have no life so lets kill myself! all that does it make you more angry i think...

also how does cutting yourself release pain?!?!?!?!

and who the heck thought of it...


i can just imagine"wow im depressed i think i will cut myself in the arm to feel cool"

it just doesnt fit together!

most people don't cut to be cool, people who are really depressed usually go out of their way to hide the marks until they fade.
But of course its the minority that show off their cuts for attention that make people think self-harmers just cut so people will feel sorry for them.

Also self harm is about turning mental pain into physical pain, because physical pain is easier to deal with.

I self harmed when I was ten and I was extremely suicidal and I was trying to goth or whatever.

And by the way,XelmoX I'm Irish so *raspberry*

And I've got scars to prove I was cutting myself.And my friend did as well but now she's stopped.

music = life:

i totally agree, most people arent "depressed" they just think yeah im cool and i have no life so lets kill myself! all that does it make you more angry i think...

also how does cutting yourself release pain?!?!?!?!

and who the heck thought of it...


i can just imagine"wow im depressed i think i will cut myself in the arm to feel cool"

it just doesnt fit together!

I AM BiPolar1 aka Manic Depressive with BPD (see above post)......

.......and YES I have self harmed.....NOT by cutting.....

and still do......tonight's no exception.......potentially dangerous alocoholic concoction in my right hand.......
....no doubt it WILL lead to me feeling like shit later......

WHY do it?????????

.....chemical imbalance in the brain....self-loathing to the max.....H-F-P-R is fucking DEPRESSED
AND I don't appreciate being called........"EMO" *gag*......or attention-seeking.......

I HAVE wanted.....and tried.....
to end it before.......

......always had someone around to get me to the E.R..........

the ONLY fucking peace of mind and stability I have......have been times I've OD'd......

NO.....NOT something I'm proud of........just another vice......
.....when your world falls apart.....you grab ANY fucking handle there is....

Dr Syd MD

I was watching Oprah, and this girl was on who used to cut herself every day. It was sick and disgusting and painful, why would anyone do it? Luckily, Oprah got her to stop.