Suicide and self harm!

Kimberlane:

My brother and I got into an argument about this one time: Is commiting suicide selfish? At first i thought it wasn't but what he said kind of made sense, you really are only thinking about yourself, not the people around you.


by the way the book 'Cut' by Patricia McCormick is wicked good, it's about a girl whos in rehab for cutting. I was always afraid of sharp knives and the thought of cutting terrifyed me so i read this, it helps you see the other sides point of view, plus its short, only about 151pgs

Suicide seems more selfish to me from the people surrounding the suicdal person. They didnt do anything to help them, or try to convince them life is worth living. The "selfish" arguement doesnt work, becuase it goes with both sides.

in 7th grade i was suicidal and i used to cut..but i dont anymore. i dunno. to the PERSON who is suicidal it might not seem selfish but to other people it would probably seem that way.

i think my best friend is suicidal. she keeps talking about wanting to shoot herself and everytime something happens she goes around saying "does anyone have a fucking gun? i'm going to shoot myself. get me a gun." and i mean the reason why i'm worried is because she is REALLY stubborn. she wont usually give in to any authority if she doesn't want to and she always talks back and stuff. and she's really negative and her grades have been falling and i know she just doesnt give a shit anymore. and i really don't know anymore. i dont think she will because she has nothing to do it with. she said today "give me a gun. quick and painless." but i think if she HAD a gun she might.

ahh it just freaks me out.

I_worship_tre_Cool:

Kimberlane:

My brother and I got into an argument about this one time: Is commiting suicide selfish? At first i thought it wasn't but what he said kind of made sense, you really are only thinking about yourself, not the people around you.


by the way the book 'Cut' by Patricia McCormick is wicked good, it's about a girl whos in rehab for cutting. I was always afraid of sharp knives and the thought of cutting terrifyed me so i read this, it helps you see the other sides point of view, plus its short, only about 151pgs

Suicide seems more selfish to me from the people surrounding the suicdal person. They didnt do anything to help them, or try to convince them life is worth living. The "selfish" arguement doesnt work, becuase it goes with both sides.

Yeah, its selfish, but when they are that depressed that they would kill themselves then they stop caring about other people, because to get that bad, usually its because people don't help them, or give a shit.

I've thought about it in the past. I was just going through a bad depression and I didn't really see the point of living anymore. But thankfully I got out of it and never attempted to kill myself or hurt myself or anything. Even if I wanted to, I'd be too chicken to do it. Especially since I'm only a teenager and I hopefully have my whole life ahead of me.
I do think suicide and self harm is an issue in our society. People are very depressed these days, and it's really a sad thing. A lot of people, as I'm sure you know, need help for it. It's a shame society has to be in this shape with depression and all.

I'm always split on whether or not suicide is selfish. Yes, it leaves people behind to grieve, but so does death in general.

And I think people with terminal diseases should be able to commit suicide.

druscilla_armstrong:

I'm always split on whether or not suicide is selfish. Yes, it leaves people behind to grieve, but so does death in general.

And I think people with terminal diseases should be able to commit suicide.

Im sorry, but I just don't see how someone who is so miserable that they don't see a reason to live is being selfish. Can you imagine crying everytime your alarm clock went off just because you knew you would have to live another day?

Honestly, I think it should be up to them. It's their life, if they want to end it, it is their descion. I in no way, shape, or form think that is a good solution, but it's their life.

I_worship_tre_Cool:

druscilla_armstrong:

I'm always split on whether or not suicide is selfish. Yes, it leaves people behind to grieve, but so does death in general.

And I think people with terminal diseases should be able to commit suicide.

Im sorry, but I just don't see how someone who is so miserable that they don't see a reason to live is being selfish. Can you imagine crying everytime your alarm clock went off just because you knew you would have to live another day?

Honestly, I think it should be up to them. It's their life, if they want to end it, it is their descion. I in no way, shape, or form think that is a good solution, but it's their life.

yes i can i did so for 2 years, but i also knew that suicide wasnt the way for ME to go. but cutters should be treated has a suicide risk, because if they dont know what they are doing death will soon be with them.

Magne:

I_worship_tre_Cool:

druscilla_armstrong:

I'm always split on whether or not suicide is selfish. Yes, it leaves people behind to grieve, but so does death in general.

And I think people with terminal diseases should be able to commit suicide.

Im sorry, but I just don't see how someone who is so miserable that they don't see a reason to live is being selfish. Can you imagine crying everytime your alarm clock went off just because you knew you would have to live another day?

Honestly, I think it should be up to them. It's their life, if they want to end it, it is their descion. I in no way, shape, or form think that is a good solution, but it's their life.

yes i can i did so for 2 years, but i also knew that suicide wasnt the way for ME to go. but cutters should be treated has a suicide risk, because if they dont know what they are doing death will soon be with them.

Ok, you knew suicide wasnt the right option, not everyone does,

Kimberlane:

My brother and I got into an argument about this one time: Is commiting suicide selfish? At first i thought it wasn't but what he said kind of made sense, you really are only thinking about yourself, not the people around you.


by the way the book 'Cut' by Patricia McCormick is wicked good, it's about a girl whos in rehab for cutting. I was always afraid of sharp knives and the thought of cutting terrifyed me so i read this, it helps you see the other sides point of view, plus its short, only about 151pgs

I haven't read that but I have read Stereotype by Claire Hennesey, its about a 16 year old girl who's been cutting herself for over year and no one has noticed, Claire Hennesey was 16 herself when she wrote it and you can really identify with the main charactor. Only Claire Hennesey is a fairly unknow Irish writer so I'm not sure its avilable in other countries.

I dont think that people can really say whether cutting is right or wrong unless they have actually done it themselves, ony the person who cuts know why they are doing it.
Some people feel like that they havent got control of there lives and this is the one thing that gives them that control they crave, i guess.

I also think that suicide is the same, some people cant handle their lives, they feel like they are in a living hell and they have to suffer pain every single day, I kinda think it is selfish of other people to want them to stay and suffer just to make them feel better

wow this thread is still going on it started like last may im amazed

anyhow sucide isnt selfish its your life to live not anyone elses ...and ill leave it at that

yea iv cut before and still do occasionaly ...yea i thought about sucide before ..
my mates still get anoyed at me for cutting but im still trying to stop i started in march 2005 and stoped in about december about 2 por 3 months later i started again only occasionaly ...its so hard to stop but in time it gradually becomes easier
as for attention seekers well they need help to ..they need help to see what there doing ...at first it may start as a way of getting attention but they may fall into it and not be able to stop
xxx

I used to cut alot, I had a really bad time in years 7 to 9 and it used to help. Some of my friends knew about it but never really did anything to help, they just told me I was stupid... which wasnt really the best thing to say. It got really bad at one point but eventually I stopped. I still think about it now but I cant actually bring myself to do it anymore.

I have done in the past many times
(just like the person above)

But just a few months ago i did it again. It got so bad. I couldn't help it it felt right at the time.
No-one really understands so i thought i might tell you all here.

I think different people do it for different reasons. I did it as a form of control. At the time, my best friend was mad at me for getting upset because both her and her boyfriend at the time got plastered one night and I needed a ride home. She sided with her boyfriend which hurt. Anyway, I basically did it in one sense to take control or at least to feel in control..and also, maybe in a way to get back at her..even though she never found out about it. I actually haven't done it in quite awhile although lately it's tempting just cuz..there's a lot of shit going on and yeah...anyway...yeah that's just my view on it.

abnormalone2002:

I think different people do it for different reasons. I did it as a form of control. At the time, my best friend was mad at me for getting upset because both her and her boyfriend at the time got plastered one night and I needed a ride home. She sided with her boyfriend which hurt. Anyway, I basically did it in one sense to take control or at least to feel in control..and also, maybe in a way to get back at her..even though she never found out about it. I actually haven't done it in quite awhile although lately it's tempting just cuz..there's a lot of shit going on and yeah...anyway...yeah that's just my view on it.

that is why most cutters cut. its a way of keeping control of other people.

I cut. I've been cutting for a regular bases for about...2 months maybe? But I started like two years ago. I know I'm not going to commit suicide, I could never go through with it anyway.
I don't cut because I want attention or any of that shit. I used to do it because I felt pain inside. Now I'm addicted. And I can't really seem to stop.
I don't see a problem with it. It's just a few minutes with the razor blade. Really not a big deal.
What I really hate is people who say cutters are stupid and attention seekers. For each his own, right? Right. So fuck off and mind your own business.
That's my pholishey.

Magne:

abnormalone2002:

I think different people do it for different reasons. I did it as a form of control. At the time, my best friend was mad at me for getting upset because both her and her boyfriend at the time got plastered one night and I needed a ride home. She sided with her boyfriend which hurt. Anyway, I basically did it in one sense to take control or at least to feel in control..and also, maybe in a way to get back at her..even though she never found out about it. I actually haven't done it in quite awhile although lately it's tempting just cuz..there's a lot of shit going on and yeah...anyway...yeah that's just my view on it.

that is why most cutters cut. its a way of keeping control of other people.

Maybe some do but not most.

XelmoX:

ok i was on a forum recently and there was a poll about suicide and more than half of the ppl that voted have considered it at one stage or another! i really want to hear ppls views on it bcos this was only irish ppl that voted! and maybe irish ppl are just extremely depressed ppl! so let me no wat ur views on it are please!

I think suicide is idiotic and the wrong way out, but realize why people are driven to this. The overwhelming need that this society places on us. The need to be accepted, the need to be "succesful," the need to be a mindless perfect workhorse. Its overwhelming. Society expects you to be like them, but you don't want to, so you are hated and oppressed so much that you are sometimes driven to give up instead of the better option, to resist.
For example, this is why the suicide rate amongst homosexuals is 3x higher than those of heterosexuals. They are hated and oppressed in our society.

Yeah I've been doing it for about three or four years but regularly since the end of last year. My parents found out and pulled me out of school on Friday and now I'm not even allowed to shave my legs anymore. I felt free for the first few days but then I started doing it again. It really is an addiction.

Rock On!
Emily X(

Yet again, it seems like depression and suiside have become cool. With all of these bands publisising and making suicide popular, it gives kids more motive to think about it you know? The only thing is, I have thought about it. I think everyone has thought about it in one time or another. To think about suicide, seems to be natural. Everyone has thoes times where they feel worthless and forgotten. But we usually come to the conclusion that life is worth more than one bad day.