Suicide and self harm!
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| CristhyneS Jackass  Age: 34 Gender: Female Posts: 1400  | [Bittersweet] cant fail: I think there are situations where things might look like there's really no way out of it. Of course not love related things. But I think there are some. And remember that a person who commits suicide most likely isn't thinking straight in that moment. |
| worn-out astronaut. Had A Life Before GSB  Age: 32 Gender: Female Posts: 28177  | CristhyneS:I agree, but I think there is always a way out. Ok, someone may not think the same way, but for example this book I read. There was a guy who had a family,daughters and a wife. And he lost his job, he started drinking and hurting his wife [that he later killed], hes daughters had nothing to eat and he commit suicide. He messed things up and then he didnt even try to fiy them, he just wanted to end it as fast as he could not even thinking of his daughters. Examples like this make me angry. |
| Maiku's Kind Ghost King For A Couple Of Days  Age: - Gender: - Posts: 2102 | Told my Friend Abby that I cut myself today. And let me tell you....the worst thing I have heard in my life was hearing my Best Friend crying becuse I was hurting myself...... |
| Kurtni Admin  Age: 33 Gender: Female Posts: 34289 | CristhyneS: I don't agree with that. You can be in a perfectly healthy mentality and commit suicide. It involves logic and reasoning. You typically don't just wake up one morning and decide you feel like hanging yourself from a tree. Suicide is a very thought out process. When, where, how, why, all those questions you have to have worked out. If there is a problem, the logical thing to do is try and end it. Suicide is one way to end a problem, when your problem is the fact that you're alive. I don't think its ever the only option, but being depressed and feeling hopeless doesn't make you mentally unstable. |
| Lucifers Angel King For A Couple Of Days Age: - Gender: Female Posts: 4751 | we cant buy any more than two boxes pf paracetamol from one shop at a time, but imagine this you are on the verge of suicide and you have to walk around a load of chemists before you get enough to do it, it is raing, cold, bloody hell your going to be even more in the mood to do it, (just a bit of bad humour) |
| Blank_blank Geek Age: 37 Gender: Female Posts: 364 | I_worship_tre_Cool: Not always, if its hormonal based, people can just do it with no real thought into the matter at all. They really do just wake up and think "fuck i want to kill myself" and do it the first way that comes to them. |
| CristhyneS Jackass Age: 34 Gender: Female Posts: 1400 | I_worship_tre_Cool: Well, humans are animals, and is just part of our most basic insticts to struggle to survive. Just the fact that you're going against that most basic instict of all indicates there's something wrong. As a human being you mustn't be in the right set of mind in that moment. And now, have you not noticed people who is seriously considering suicide always thinks that all the people around them would be better off without them, when people around them would actually do anything for them to keep them alive? And everyone around them notices that, except for the person who wants to commit suicide. Being mentally ill doesn't doesn't mean to not have logic and reasoning. Being on a wrong set of mind on the things related to emoticones, etc, doesn't mean that your reasoning and logic (as the one you need to plan your own suicide) will be affected. |
| Kurtni Admin Age: 33 Gender: Female Posts: 34289 | CristhyneS: Humans may be animals, but humans are highly advandced compared to any other animal, and we don't always funtion as other animals do. You're making suicide out as if it is some text book issue, when it's in fact the oppostie. It would be close minded to assume everyones who is suicidal thinks that way, because they most definitely don't. Not every person who commits suicide is mentally unstable. Honestly, in some situations I would see it more insane to want to go on living. |
| Faith Addict  Age: 39 Gender: Female Posts: 11507 | CristhyneS: So, you think vegetarians are insane? |
| no wai, Mikey Wai! Falling In Love With The Board Age: 32 Gender: Female Posts: 6232 | I have definetly thought about suicide and tried it but i dont think i am insane or shit like that. It can be considered an illness but we are not screwed in the brain |
| Kurtni Admin Age: 33 Gender: Female Posts: 34289 | social_tool_w/o_a_use77:I don't think its an illness. I think you have every right to commit suicide. I, in no way, think its a wise choice, but neither is smoking or jumping off your roof with a pogo stick, but you can still do it. Its your life, you have just as much right to live it as you do end it. Unless you are proven to have a mental illness that tampers with your ability to make descions for yourself, being suicidial, or commiting suicide doesnt make you in a bad state of mind, just one that isnt always viewed as normal. |
| no wai, Mikey Wai! Falling In Love With The Board Age: 32 Gender: Female Posts: 6232 | ^ agree totally. i dont see why people say that we arent allowed to do it and that we are sinners or whatever. We just need a little more help so do me a favor and reach out to a friend in need. |
| CristhyneS Jackass Age: 34 Gender: Female Posts: 1400 | Faith: Nope. Eating is a basic instict of all animals. Lots of animals don't eat meat. Surviving is the most basic instict of all though though. Despite how advanced humans are, we still keep those of our basic insticts. Why do you think, for example, that people who is not used to guns step back authomatically as soon as they see one right in front of them? I_worship_tre_Cool - I sure believe too that there are some situations when I think it'd be better to just die. I think there are very few situations of which I could say that though. Yet it's a really subjective thing. Maybe what you consider one of this situations I think it's not a real reason, and vice versa. But I'm not picking any of what I'm saying from a book. I've talked to quite a lot of people who is/has been suicidal, some even in their worst moments. They can see the same things that anyone else can see clearly in that moment. They think suicide is the only option, even if it'd be obvious, for the same person if they were in their normal/right/whatever state of mind, that there are still many option for them. During that moment when they're considering suicide they usually can't just see it. Of course you have people who plan their suicide to happen just if this or that happen within x years. That's either a person who is totally crazy or a person who is giving her/himself a period of time until they make sure there is really no way out, after trying all options they found, if that makes any sense. I don't blame this of being as mentally unstable as the ones who've been thinking about suicide for just hte past three days and then goes through with it. I'm sorry if I'm not making any or not much sense at the moment. |
| Kurtni Admin Age: 33 Gender: Female Posts: 34289 | CristhyneS: Well, if you're talking about humans basic instincts, being a vegetarian is not natural, Humans eat both meat and vegetables and fruits. Excluding meat is not natural, and goes against human nature (which honestly I dont think human nature exists but thats another subject) You're making sense, but i still don't agree with you. There is always other options, but why does that matter? Just because they don't choose to follow through on those doesnt make them crazy. Once again, you're acting like all suicidal people are oblivious to the mistake they are making, and thats just not true. (once again, I feel suicide is a mistake, but its a mistake they have the right to make) They can be perfectly knowledgeable that other options exist. Obviously, yhey know they could go on living, thats another choice, but they don't want to do that. When you're life is so horrible that you can't bear it anymore, why would you want to go on living it. And it would be very idealistic to assume that all problems are fixable, and that they can be delt with. There is always a minimum of two options: Live, or die. Now, if you choose to live, sometimes there are options that allow you to fix your life, but sometimes you can't change anything. People often say "Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem", and thats not always the case. Things happen that you can't always control. I don't think suicide is a solution to anything, its a conclusion, to everything. People who plan their suicide arent crazy either. I don't think time is always a factor that matters either. If you have been thinking about it for 3 days or 3 years, you're still thinking about it. You still have your reasons, it just depends on if you find help, from someone else or yourself, before you reach your limit to where you don't want what you have anymore. |
| Faith Addict Age: 39 Gender: Female Posts: 11507 | CristhyneS: Have you ever seen a tiger that doesn't eat meat by choice? Humans are supposed to eat meat - that's a basic instinct, and yet there are people who make the choice not to eat meat. If we did nothing but follow our instincts and do things that are "natural", we'd have no cars, no computers, no vision correction or even electricity. We're not in stone age and we are way far from being just animals. We think and we can choose. To sleep at night or during the day, to walk or to take a bus, to eat meat or not. To live or to die. If you want to degrade me to a brainless animal by taking away my ability to think and make choices - no, thanks. |
| NeoSteph Basket Case  Age: 37 Gender: Female Posts: 16494 | you could argue however that humans superior intellect yet fragile body structure has lead are instinct to survive to invent modern technologies that placed us at the top of the food chain. so in fact for us as animals to invent is natural. |
| Kurtni Admin Age: 33 Gender: Female Posts: 34289 | You could argue that, but thats not what she was saying, what she was saying was the opposite, and it was natural for us to resort to older ways, which is why Faith and I both disagreed with her. Inventing, and resorting to animal like means of survival arent the same. When she said"struggle to survive", we don't really struggle as do other animals. (O_O someone screenshot it we agreed) |
| NeoSteph Basket Case Age: 37 Gender: Female Posts: 16494 | I_worship_tre_Cool: right i'm confused. so clear point made clearer advancement of technology = evolution of human kind = nature I don't know who i'm agreeing with, but go team go  |
| Faith Addict Age: 39 Gender: Female Posts: 11507 | NeoSteph: This isn't just about inventions. We do things like working 36 hours in a row with no sleep, we starve ourselves to lose weight, we take steroids and get myopia from spending endless hours at the computer. And that has nothing to do with survival or instincts - we make choices that help us adapt. And it's not instincts that lead us, but our desires, goals and decisions. Someone may think those decisions are wrong, but not many people would call you "totally crazy" because you're on a planned-out diet. I've known people who tried to convince me that I should eat meat because it's natural, but I made my choice regardless of what is "natural" and what is not. And if I want to die now and not 50 years later, I don't think anyone has a right to stop me. |
| CristhyneS Jackass Age: 34 Gender: Female Posts: 1400 | Okay, wait. Mind me if I haven't studied biology in English. I am not saying we're simple animals who just live by our insticts. We have the most basic insticts in their most basic ways in our roots, but since our intelectual is greatly developed we can choose. I'm saying that eating is a basic instict. A tigger has no much power of will, is jsut ruled by insticts so he eats meat by intict. But we, humans, have much more intellect than that, so even if when we were closer to animals than to who we are now, as a race, we ate both, animals and vegetables. Now we can choose, and that's because of a multiple reasons, no we are more aware of what is around us and how we affect it so we can decide not to eat this or that, and no we also have the luxury to not have to fight with other animals over food, or go haunting them, etc. You just go out of where you live and to the nearest super market and get yourself whatever you want. But you're still eating. And I'm not saying that being vegetarian goes agaisnt anything. I'm a vegetarian myself and have had to defend my choice to be one several times. I guess NeoSteph has made a good point with which I agree completely. Now, I'm not saying either that I do not "agree" with suicide, meaning that I know it's something we all have the right to do. I don't think anyone is less or more thna you and me and anybody just because they committed suicide. They just made a choice. What I think is that *most* people isn't thinking straight in the moment when they take the pills/cut their wrists/blow their brains out/jump off a building/whatever. A lot of people (difference from everybody) who kill themselves are not aware, in that moment, that they do have another options. Maybe if the same person who killed herself in this minute, had decide to instead go to sleep and see what happen tomorrow, tomorrow she would realize about other options that she didn't think of at that moment. This is not everyone's case though, and I'm fuly aware of that. For some people the only thing they can do is wait, whether it is for a naturla death, or for something to change. And when they get tired of waiting they decide to kill themselves. They were fully aware of their options but they made a decision, and that's alright. I hope I'm explaining myself a little bit better this time about this whole thing. |
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