NeoSteph Basket Case Age: 36 Gender: Female Posts: 16494
June 2nd, 2006 at 02:08pm
PM ME OR KITTI BEFORE JOINING THIS DEBATE UNLESS MENTIONED BELOW.
I've added people who havn't joined up but who would probably be interested.
FOR THE PARTY:
Magne
Dirty Hippie
Spill_No_Sick
Kitti
I_Worship_Tre_Cool
NeoSteph
AGAINST THE PARTY:
Bloodraine
Ella
Incubas
Here_to_take_your-hearts
Sheepless and Redundant
TreCoolIstSoGeil
The Faggot
Ok same rules apply to if this was a normal debate except you must stay on your side of the argument, you can acknowledge if someone makes a good comment but keep I agree's to a minimum.
alrighty here's your question;
Sexual behaviours have long been a controversial issue, especially when they concern children. In the Netherlands, a political party has surfaced advocating the paedophile's rights. The group wishes to lower the legal age of consent (from sixteen to twelve) and to legalise child pornography and bestiality. It's final absolution is to abolish the legal age of consent completely
On the one hand, it sounds as if it could be amoral and dangerous to children as a demographic. It is a potential violation of Article 25 of the UN's Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
On the other hand, though, the party is only exercising their freedom of speech, which is another human right defined by the United Nations.
Under these circumstances, is it permissible to impose on one groups rights to protect or appease the other?
Matt Smith Admin Age: 32 Gender: Female Posts: 31134
On the one hand, it sounds as if it could be amoral and dangerous to children as a demographic. It is a potential violation of Article 25 of the UN's Universal Declaration of Human Rights. On the other hand, though, the party is only exercising their freedom of speech, which is another human right defined by the United Nations.
ARTICLE 25 Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.
Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and assistance. All children, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall enjoy the same social protection.
That May come in useful for someone else because I had to look it up myself.
The Charity, Freedom and Diversity party is completely justified and isn't violating anyone's right. The parties president can be quoted as saying, ""A ban just makes children curious," adding that, "We want to make pedophilia the subject of discussion." which is true. By lowering the legal sex age, it would no longer be some mystery that the youth is waiting to discover, and in turn, would decrease teenage pregnancy rates because now it is acceptable, so the desire to do something that is forbidden has been eliminated. Also, who are we to define who is ready for sex and who isn't? Why 16 in the first place? I know 12 year olds with more maturity and responsability than some adults.
As for beastality, species is only a label, and you can't help what you are attracted too. If you find beastality wrong, you must also be homophobic and think being attracked to someone of the sex is wrong too. But really, what gives you the right to define wrong and acceptable for somone else? The NVD believes that sexual contact with animals is acceptable because no one can chose what they are attacted to, it's out of their control. The NVD is also strongly against animal abuse, and says it should remain illegal.
The media seems to like to focus on the 'negative' things, and forget the other intentions of the party. They also wish to provide free train fares for everyone, and money to do that doesnt grow on tress. Placing a tax on drugs (which would require legalizing them) would add alot more revenue to the goverment, and allow them to do things like that. If drugs were legalized, they would also have regulations which would in the long run, make a dangerous thing safer. Again, it also goes back tp the temptation thing, if it isnt forbidden, the desire to do it is eliminated.
Also, the party is for private possession of Child porn, but strictly against the trade of it, there is a difference. It also believes porn should be able to be broadcatsed during the day, and why shouldnt it? Porn is adult entertainment and should be shown at any given time. If paretns are worried about their kids seeing it, maybe they should actually be a parent and moderate what their children are watching. Not everyone has children, so why should something like that effect everyone?
They also believe public nudity should be legal. Nudity just shows the comfort with yourself and destroys the issues that clothes can cause such as social annexation and being excluded based strictly on an attatchment. Body image has become a crisis and it is thought that you must look a certain way and behave in a certain fashion, or you're not good enough as you are. If such importance wasnt placed on such things and people could become more comfortable with their bodies, perhaps the world wouldnt be such an image stricken place.
Oh, come on guys, get in here. I can't debate myself.
ancient Had A Life Before GSB Age: 30 Gender: Female Posts: 29697
June 2nd, 2006 at 06:03pm
I_worship_tre_Cool:
Oh, come on guys, get in here. I can't debate myself.
I was just thinking that.
People, post. ;_;
I wanted to read a good debate.
Lucifers Angel King For A Couple Of Days Age: - Gender: Female Posts: 4751
June 3rd, 2006 at 11:29am
hang on i am confused what is being asked of me?
Matt Smith Admin Age: 32 Gender: Female Posts: 31134
June 3rd, 2006 at 11:33am
Magne:
hang on i am confused what is being asked of me?
We want you to to argue FOR the party who want to legalize child porn and bestiality. You can say, the party have freedom of speech to say whatever they want.
You got picked to be on the side you're most likely to be against, so its gonna be tough. But remember, this is only a role play. Were doing it for fun. And seeing as you're one of the cool regular people, we want you to do it too.
...So I'm arguing FOR this new pedophile's party. Fun times. Let's kick it off. (Hippie Disclaimer: Whatever I post, I don't necessarily believe. No rapist I.)
Point One: This party is only advocating said issues. There's nothing in any law that says they can't express their views. Until they have a majority on their side, no laws will be made. If anybody is against their views, fine; but you can't do anything about it, because their speech is their own, and you can't regulate it. THAT is what's against the law.
Point Two: To build off of Worship's research, the Party seems to be a very back-to-nature kinda deal. Lowering the age of consent to twelve is logically and biologically sound; humans are able to reproduce at around that time. Well, give or take a year or so. In society today, we tell kids that sex is an adult thing; centuries ago, you were running out of time if you weren't married by the time our kids today are having sex. Nudity? It's how we naturally are. Clothes are a strange human invention, which only hides what we really are underneath. (Read into that however you will.)
Point Three: The opposition to this party claims that the ideas presented are immoral. But how can you legislate morality? It's the same as banning gay marriage because it's immoral. It's certainly not immoral to gays. Pedophilia is what prompts these people to procreate, it's what gets 'em going. Is that enough to shoot down their morals in favor of someone else's?
There, that's got me bushed. Back later.
Kitti Falling In Love With The Board Age: 33 Gender: Female Posts: 5688
June 4th, 2006 at 12:16pm
I think we need to hear an argument from one of these people:
Bloodraine
Ella
Incubas
Here_to_take_your-hearts
NeoSteph.
TreCoolIstSoGeil
I think we need to hear an argument from one of these people:
Bloodraine
Ella
Incubas
Here_to_take_your-hearts
NeoSteph.
TreCoolIstSoGeil
YEAH! Phools, get yourself in here!
I'm still not sure what I need to write about.
Give me some time, K?
I was just kidding lol, post whenever you think you can give the best arguement
Matt Smith Admin Age: 32 Gender: Female Posts: 31134
June 4th, 2006 at 12:28pm
I, personally, am 100% AGAINST this excuse of a political party. Can any one amongst you seriously sanction child pornography?. Well, that is exactly what these people intend to do and I will not stand for that. It could be argued, that they have the right to say what they think. But surely, children have the bigger right not to be subjected to abuse?. You can preach the UN Declarartion of Human rights all you want, but find me a place where it says abuse to children is okay.
On to bestiality. Find me an animal that can give consent, go on, do it. Because rape is rape, whatever species you belong to and as far as I am concerned that is what bestiality is.
I, personally, am 100% AGAINST this excuse of a political party. Can any one amongst you seriously sanction child pornography?. Well, that is exactly what these people intend to do and I will not stand for that. It could be argued, that they have the right to say what they think. But surely, children have the bigger right not to be subjected to abuse?. You can preach the UN Declarartion of Human rights all you want, but find me a place where it says abuse to children is okay.
On to bestiality. Find me an animal that can give consent, go on, do it. Because rape is rape, whatever species you belong to and as far as I am concerned that is what bestiality is.
More to follow...
What gives you the authority to decide that Child Pornography is abuse? Many children now are being forced to do porn in secret illegally and it creates a dangerous situation, by legalizing it, there would be regulations and make it much safer. Just because it is illegal doesnt mean it doesnt happen, it just means it is more dangerous so that it can be kept secret. I am concerned about those kids, and want to better thier situation.
Kitti Falling In Love With The Board Age: 33 Gender: Female Posts: 5688
June 4th, 2006 at 01:28pm
I_worship_tre_Cool:
Bloodraine:
I, personally, am 100% AGAINST this excuse of a political party. Can any one amongst you seriously sanction child pornography?. Well, that is exactly what these people intend to do and I will not stand for that. It could be argued, that they have the right to say what they think. But surely, children have the bigger right not to be subjected to abuse?. You can preach the UN Declarartion of Human rights all you want, but find me a place where it says abuse to children is okay.
On to bestiality. Find me an animal that can give consent, go on, do it. Because rape is rape, whatever species you belong to and as far as I am concerned that is what bestiality is.
More to follow...
What gives you the authority to decide that Child Pornography is abuse? Many children now are being forced to do porn in secret illegally and it creates a dangerous situation, by legalizing it, there would be regulations and make it much safer. Just because it is illegal doesnt mean it doesnt happen, it just means it is more dangerous so that it can be kept secret. I am concerned about those kids, and want to better thier situation.
Right. Just like drug trafficing. Would it be so dangerous if it was legal? NO! The government would regulate it to make sure people weren't getting hurt and the drugs weren't laced with other things. And as the party states, the taxes placed on those drugs (and probably child pornography) would be government revenue, which would improve the economy.
Miley Cyrus Basket Case Age: 31 Gender: Female Posts: 15185
June 4th, 2006 at 01:38pm
Child pornography is a vile thing. I read a article in the New York Times (called, "Through His Webcam, a Boy Joins a Sordid Online World" about Justin, who was 13 when he first got caught up in it. After he became a child pornstar, he was molested several times by many different men. He also adapted a cocaine addiction. When a kid in his school found a picture of him, he was ridiculed and tormented by all others around him. He had no friends.
Tell me that child pornography didn't screw his whole life up.
As for bestiality, the animal cannot give consent, so it must be classified as rape.
The spiral downward of pron and such isn't just true for kids...it's pretty much trend in the "adult entertainment" industry. You don't have to be young to screw up your life.
And as for bestiality, while the animal can't say "yes," it certainly doesn't say "no" either. In fact, it doesn't say anything...because animals don't talk. So we have no idea what the animal is thinking, and no real way to prove their thoughts. So classifying all bestiality as rape of the animal is a generalization that cannot be proven.
And as for bestiality, while the animal can't say "yes," it certainly doesn't say "no" either. In fact, it doesn't say anything...because animals don't talk. So we have no idea what the animal is thinking, and no real way to prove their thoughts. So classifying all bestiality as rape of the animal is a generalization that cannot be proven.
If someone were to have sex with a very young child, one not old enough to understand what is happening to them or to say no, that would be classified as rape. The animal does not know what is happening and obviously can't say no, there for its rape.
Lucifers Angel King For A Couple Of Days Age: - Gender: Female Posts: 4751
June 6th, 2006 at 04:56am
has a person who has seen the age of concent go up and up in many years, i would like to put my point accross as this, many years ago it was natural for girls to have babies at 12 and even be married at 12, why should we see natural ways of life go out the window for a group of politcaly correct people, many children are having sex now at 12 so why not make it legal and do away with all the crime that comes with it. Also men are suppose to think that girls of a certain age are attractive, because thats when they are at child bearing age
(NOT MY REAL VIEWS OK JUST PLAYING ALONG WITH THE GAME I THINK THESE PEOPLE ARE SICKOS ANYWAY BACK TO ROLE PLAYING)
about Justin, who was 13 when he first got caught up in it. After he became a child pornstar, he was molested several times by many different men. He also adapted a cocaine addiction. When a kid in his school found a picture of him, he was ridiculed and tormented by all others around him. He had no friends.
