Ridiculed Celebrities and their attempts to be known

It goes without saying that Marilyn Manson is one of the most contreversial figures in not just rock, but the world alone. Constantly labeled as "sacreligious" and accused of promoting the Vulgar and obscene. He has been blamed for the murders at Columbine, saying that his music influenced the 2 boys into shooting up their school, and then commiting suicide.
Another factor that people believe to be evil and wrong about Manson is that he is believed to be Santanic. His stage name is said to glorrify serial Killers and promote acts of lesbianism.
He has been falsely accused or raping girls, proved inocent, and yet the media still picks at it, all in an attempt to make him seem "evil". There is so many rumors about things he does at his concerts, I can't even list them all, but they include animal abuse and extreme violence. (may I mention he has 2 dashounds and a Cat named lily?)

His image is probably one of the main problems the media has with him. Despite the popular belief, there are other bands that have lyrics like Marilyn Manson, they are just not as popular and don't carry the same image. When you concert uniform is 10 Lb.s of Make-up and a corrset, and you're not Madonna, something is a bit different about you.People have a sick tendency to reject what is differernt and not understood. A guy wearing make up, demeaning a popular religion, and a name like Marilyn Manson is bound to have critics swarming around him, and he did.

He was also accussed of being responsable for a womans death who was driving under the influence of Drugs and crahsed into a car, you know, because it is totally possible for him to take the drugs for her.


Below I have listed some of his lyrics that could possibly be classified as sacreligious, depending on who is doing the labeling:
"I went to god just to see, and I was looking at me
Saw heaven and hell were lies
When I'm god everyone dies"
From the song The Reflecting God.

"God is a number you cannot count to
You are posthuman and hardwired" and "This isn't god, this isn't god
God is just a statistic
God is just a statistic."- both from the song Posthuman

"You said you wanted evolution
The ape was a great big hit
You say you want a revolution, man
I say that youre full of shit"
- From Disposable Teens

Now, My question for you, should Manson be ridiculed for his behavior and his differences? Is he truely the threat to society that he is made out to be? What exactly is it that you think makes Marilyn's mind think the way it does, and last but not least, does he have the right to do the things he does and create music such as his and promote it in a fashion that he does. What exactly do you think makes the media want to pick him(Im saying him because truesly, of all band members, he is the center of attention) apart?


My opinion on the subject:
Society is becoming extremely fixated on image and anything that is different is considered horrible and unacceptable, and that is where the problem lies. What gives anyone the right to decide what is just and morally ok for another human being? You havnt lived their life and have no idea why they have the views you have. A very elite group of individuals don't conform to the views of the media and what is seen as "ok", and because of that, they are judged. Marilyn Manson falls in the elite group, and for that I have exstensive amounts of respect for him. Anyone who is willing to set aside what others have told them, and be the person they aspire to be is amazing.

As for his religious ideas, I don't agree with them, but is that important? No. Freedom of speech, plain and simple. He despises Christianity and the structure of that religion. He believes the holy figures have been shaoed and molded by the media and are non existant. " I never really hated the one true God, but the god of the people I hated." That is a line from the song disposable teens. To me it signifies that the God of the people is not the same as the "one true God" and that the world today has lost it's beliefs and traded them in for material possessions and Money. I can understand someone not liking Materialistic ideas, however there is more to it than that. Christian's like to say he mocks their religion and he promotes hate. What makes it so different when they demean other religions? It's ok for them to bash and ridicule Satanists, but if anyone dare say anything about their church in a country with Freedom of Speech, they are demonic and awful. Double standards in my opinion. I think it absurd the way he is treated and how lies are constantly spread about him in a pathetic attepmt to make him look bad. He actually starts the majority of his rumors just to prove the media will buy into anything to get high ratings.

The media choses to fequent his character because it draws attention, and they thrive off of it. There is a thousand little pop stars out their singing about sex and drugs, and promoting a horrible image that everyone has to wear name brands and be a skinny twig, but thats ok for kids to learn from, because they come in large numbers. Marilyn Manson is individual, forms his own views, and is very inteillgent (read his book, watch interviews, it isnt hard to see) but that is seen as a bad thing now? Im puzzeled by this.

I have no idea what makes him think the way he does, but it intersts me like you can't even believe. I would love to walk in his shoes for just one day to see what his life is like and how he functions. I don't agree with alot of his ideas and beliefes, but the manor in which he expresses them in is amazing. Through music, look at what all he was able to stir up. I'm not sure if anyone is aware of this, but he is also a very talented artist. Once again, there is plenty of artists, so the media never gets to involved in his artisic side because that is accepted, but his paintings are amazing and I just wonder how he developed the style of art he does, I'll post some of it when I find the paintings Im looking for.


I used Marilyn Manson as an example because I have the most knowlegde about him, if you know of other celebrities who go to great, shocking lengths to be known and have their ideas heard, you can also discuss them here.


if a mod locks this I will cry, and I'm not kidding.

I forgot to post this link, this shows the idiocy of people, and how if they read it in some shady magazine or see it on TV, it must be true. This man says Marilyn manson promotes Hate, look at his website!

http://www.johnnyleeclary.com/manson.htm

Trunks <3:

i used to hate marilyn manson (i had no reason to) till i saw the video to the nobodies.. now i <3 him. i was so shocked when i decided i liked that song. i said to my mum "im going mad.. i like marilyn manson"

See, thats one of my points', after you saw him, you realized that his music wasn't horrible and he wasn't thta bad.

is it ok to make this topic as bit more open, and maybe make it about

''celebrity's who breach the legal and moral boundries for fame''

not just manson.

NeoSteph:

is it ok to make this topic as bit more open, and maybe make it about

''celebrity's who breach the legal and moral boundries for fame''

not just manson.

Ok, I'll use him as my example because he is pretty well known, but I'll edit it and put that in.

I_worship_tre_Cool:

NeoSteph:

is it ok to make this topic as bit more open, and maybe make it about

''celebrity's who breach the legal and moral boundries for fame''

not just manson.

Ok, I'll use him as my example because he is pretty well known, but I'll edit it and put that in.

okely dokely

That must have taken you a while to write.

I'm not really much a fan of Manson's music, but I respect him for his beliefs and the way he gets them across. He has a very strong opinion, but he doesn't force it upon people, which is just fantastic.

sheepless and redundant:

That must have taken you a while to write.

I'm not really much a fan of Manson's music, but I respect him for his beliefs and the way he gets them across. He has a very strong opinion, but he doesn't force it upon people, which is just fantastic.

Yes, thats another thing, no one is forced to listen to his music, he doesnt go around beating people with his CD's so they listen to them. You chose to buy it and listen to it (or not to buy it and not listen to it) So all the media that are judging him and saying not to listen to his music need to shut up, because they obviously listened to it in order to form their ignorant opinions on it.

And yeah, it took a long time to type

I think Marylin Manson is very insightful.

When asked what he would say to the 2 boys from the Columbine shooting, he said "Nothing. I would've listened."

He also said that he has always asserted himself as the villian. He said that when he read stories with villians in them, he felt that they were the characters that refuse to follow blindly.

I used to think he was scary, but when I heard him talk about his ideas, I thought he pretty damn cool despite what people say about him.

Maybe this post should've been in the 'Other Bands' forum. I feel so offtopic. Oh well...

attention whore. XP
I really have nothing to say about him because he dispises my religion. But I will not stain my soul by hating him. I dont know him and I will not judge him.To each their own. -_-

I disapprove of him using his popularity and major influence to do such obsceneties. I've liked him as a musician for a while now as I've respected and even admired his distinction, but as he gets more famous every day, I'm concerened he will use his fame and approval of the majority to behave irrationally and over the top.

I remeber reading in the paper one day, while I was still a child, but I cannot remember for sure; a story about two teenage girls (who were big fans of Manson) stabbing a nun, supposedly influenced by his music. I remember that reading that made me appalled, especially at that age. Today, I'm finding it hard to believe that Marilyn's music itself had led them to their act. However, I believe he should not dissrespect other people's religions in his songs. He has his faith, he has his beliefs, he shouldn't impel it to his young listeners. He is an adult human being, he is aware that such young people will get confused, not completely understand his message and yet idolize him.
While searching for more about those girls which I've forgot about I came across this;
http://www.johnnyleeclary.com/manson.htm
That is just wrong. "WHAT YOU CAN DO TO STOP MANSON". No we cannot stop him. Not in that way. He needs to realize that some of the things he is doing are immoral, he needs to conquer himself. He doesn't need to change what's inside. I just think he should keep some of it to himself.
More websites like that can be found, and that's just fighting fire with fire.

Ella:

I disapprove of him using his popularity and major influence to do such obsceneties. I've liked him as a musician for a while now as I've respected and even admired his distinction, but as he gets more famous every day, I'm concerened he will use his fame and approval of the majority to behave irrationally and over the top.

I remeber reading in the paper one day, while I was still a child, but I cannot remember for sure; a story about two teenage girls (who were big fans of Manson) stabbing a nun, supposedly influenced by his music. I remember that reading that made me appalled, especially at that age. Today, I'm finding it hard to believe that Marilyn's music itself had led them to their act. However, I believe he should not dissrespect other people's religions in his songs. He has his faith, he has his beliefs, he shouldn't impel it to his young listeners. He is an adult human being, he is aware that such young people will get confused, not completely understand his message and yet idolize him.
While searching for more about those girls which I've forgot about I came across this;
http://www.johnnyleeclary.com/manson.htm
That is just wrong. "WHAT YOU CAN DO TO STOP MANSON". No we cannot stop him. Not in that way. He needs to realize that some of the things he is doing are immoral, he needs to conquer himself. He doesn't need to change what's inside. I just think he should keep some of it to himself.
More websites like that can be found, and that's just fighting fire with fire.

I posted that link, because the majority of stuff on that site is total and complete lies. Marilyn Doesnt force people to buy his CD's does he? It's their own choise. I own all of his albums and a bucnh of promo's, but not because he forced me. His concerts are somewhat vulgar (nothing like the media makes them out to be, but I wouldn't suggest bringing kids), but once again, he doesnt drag people by their toes to go and see them. If making music with religious views is wrong, so it making music with politiacal views. Whats so different about people insulting him for his religious ideas, than what he is doing? He doesnt press his beliefes where they are not wanted. He does it through Music and Art, which I think is alot better than violence, which he doesnt promote.

I read that story, and quite frankly, I don't think those girls were fans of his, I think it is another manipulation like Columbine, but lets say they were. Where were their parents? Why didn't they monitor what their kids were listening to? How is it MArilyn's fault that kids got his music? Freedom of Speech gives him the right to say whatever he wants until it steps on someone elses rights.

i love manson and his music i think if more of the people in the world were like him then people would be happier, he is articulate, funny, clever in the way he prsents his music and his life, he has valid and prmoinante views on life and the world in general.

Handguns For Hearts:

I think Marylin Manson is very insightful.

When asked what he would say to the 2 boys from the Columbine shooting, he said "Nothing. I would've listened."

He also said that he has always asserted himself as the villian. He said that when he read stories with villians in them, he felt that they were the characters that refuse to follow blindly.

I used to think he was scary, but when I heard him talk about his ideas, I thought he pretty damn cool despite what people say about him.

Maybe this post should've been in the 'Other Bands' forum. I feel so offtopic. Oh well...

No, we're not really discussing like tour dates and albums, I bolded the stuff that needed to be discussed, and this thread is for more than just manson, I used him as my example because I have the most knowledge about him.

ixlovexbilliexjoe:

I don't know much of his music or him, but I do know he gets a bad rap. I know he doesn't do the best things, but people shouldn't say that stuff just because he's different.

he has never done anything bad..


well one thing.

Bad Ass Mother Fucker.:

sheepless and redundant:

That must have taken you a while to write.

I'm not really much a fan of Manson's music, but I respect him for his beliefs and the way he gets them across. He has a very strong opinion, but he doesn't force it upon people, which is just fantastic.

exactly what you said.

except for the part that youre not a big fan of him.


hes fucking awsome

Bad Ass Mother Fucker.:

ixlovexbilliexjoe:

I don't know much of his music or him, but I do know he gets a bad rap. I know he doesn't do the best things, but people shouldn't say that stuff just because he's different.

he has never done anything bad..


well one thing.

And that one thing would be?

I never liked Marlin Manson as an artist mainly because he does so may covers. I just hate covers in general (except a few) since the song belongs to the one who created it. No one can ever fully understand what the song means to the one who created it (in most cases) and therefore shouldn’t do a cover on it.

I won’t explain further what I don’t like about him or him making covers since it isn’t important for the discussion.

As a person I respect him. And I don’t respect many people. Not because I think I’m better than everyone else but because not everyone is to be respected. Don’t tell me I should respect everybody. =] I don’t treat people (too) differently. Especially not based on if I respect them or not.

I think that media, politicians and the society in general want scapegoats. No president (or other kind of leader) would stand up and say: “It’s partly my fault that children of today make many bad choices. I am a huge influence and shouldn’t say that violence is ok.” (<-- Just an example).
No parent would like to admit that they aren’t raising their child in a good way. No teacher would say that it’s their fault even though they have treated their students wrong. No one wants to admit that they are part of the problem. It’s so much easier to blame someone like Marlin Manson. He looks freaky and scary to a lot to people and it’s pretty easy to show his face on TV or in a newspaper and state that it is his fault. It’s even easier because of his lyrics. Media are pretty “good” at twisting words.

As long as he doesn’t do anything illegal or too offending he has all the right in the world to carry on the same way. That he is different isn’t an excuse to judge him.

Media pick any band or artist that stands out to use as a scapegoat. I’ve read and heard thousands of times how a lot of the violence in my country is (mainly) because of Slipknot. They are, unlike Manson, pretty fucked up* but I still don’t think that their music can be blamed for violent acts by teenagers and young adults. My brother listened to Slipknot a lot before and he wasn’t more violent or aggressive than anyone else, nor was he more violent than he was before he started to listen to their music. Also my boyfriend listens to Slipknot. He would never do anything to cause anyone harm. He’s the sweetest person I know. And the list goes on. It’s not the music, it’s who you are that affects the way you act.

*It’s not an offence to any Slipknot fan. They are kind violent. Mainly Sid I think who beats up people in their audience at times. Some (or all) of them have done drugs. They haven’t beaten up any journalist (as far as I know) but have threatened a few. That’s what I meant by pretty fucked up.

Wow, you made some excellent points. However, Marilyn has actually done a few illegal things, like every rockstar, and the media has also accused him of doing illegeal things like no tomorrow. I really don't think it's fair to even care about that the media says until the court case has reached a verdict, because you know whatever they say is distorted to get high ratings.

Thank you. Yeah, I didn’t mention that at all since I didn’t know for sure. Media tend to exaggerate everything and media was my only source when it came to his illegal actions, so I simply skipped that part. No it isn’t fair to care about what media says until court case has reached a verdict. It’s not fair that they give him so much negative attention either. Who haven’t done something illegal anyway? I pretty sure almost everyone has done at least something.