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May 10th, 2007 at 03:15pm
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But I loved what you wrote abut Nagini. It was really interesting. You seem to know a lot about this name meanings and connections Ah
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May 10th, 2007 at 03:17pm
I only know all that about Nagini because Nagas are Indian mythology. And if there's one thing I love, it's mythology. Plus I'm Indian, so I grew up on those stories.
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May 10th, 2007 at 06:56pm
I forgot, do they ever reveal who was keeping
Harry's invisibility cloak for him, and then gave it to him? If they did, then
who gave it to him? If they didn't who do you think it was?
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May 10th, 2007 at 07:19pm
Oh..yeah..the invisibility cloak.
Wasn't it a theory that a chum of dumbledore and lilly and james was using the cloak when james/lilly were killed?
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May 11th, 2007 at 07:42am
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I forgot, do they ever reveal who was keeping
Harry's invisibility cloak for him, and then gave it to him? If they did, then
who gave it to him? If they didn't who do you think it was?


It was Dumbeldore. You didn't know that? They do reveal it in a way.

See, they always describe Dumebldore's handwriting as loopy and it's always "familiar" to Harry after the first time he sees it. In the Scholastic version of the book, they show the different handwritings. They don't show them in the Bloomsbury editions, but they still describe Dumbeldore's loopy handwriting.
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May 11th, 2007 at 09:03am
He does. when Harrys in the hospital wing after getting the stone. I think
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May 11th, 2007 at 12:47pm
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ninja bev.:
I forgot, do they ever reveal who was keeping
Harry's invisibility cloak for him, and then gave it to him? If they did, then
who gave it to him? If they didn't who do you think it was?


It was Dumbeldore. You didn't know that? They do reveal it in a way.

See, they always describe Dumebldore's handwriting as loopy and it's always "familiar" to Harry after the first time he sees it. In the Scholastic version of the book, they show the different handwritings. They don't show them in the Bloomsbury editions, but they still describe Dumbeldore's loopy handwriting.

Yeah, I just finished the book and Dumbledore said he did. I don't remember the little things when I read books. Only the really
important parts. That's why I always have to re-read my books.
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May 11th, 2007 at 02:00pm
Well. yeah, Dumbledore told him. But the question was why would Dumbledore have the cloak?
Why would James give it to him?
I guess he might have since they were under that protection or whatever, and sicne Dumbledore was the secret keeper.
Idk.

So have all of you heard the theory about McGonagall being evil? ~~
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May 11th, 2007 at 02:10pm
Dumbledore wasn't the secret keeper. He wanted to be, but they chose Sirius, and then Peter.

And perhaps James gave it to him so people from the order could use it?
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May 11th, 2007 at 02:24pm
Damn. Right. Dumbledore was secret keeper for the order.
Damn.
Anyway, i suppose so. I just would've thought that it was used by someone in Grimauld place when they were murdered, because in a way i support that theory.
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May 11th, 2007 at 03:33pm
You know what I love? The puns.

Grimauld Place. Grim, old place.

Diagon Alley. Diagonally.

Knockturn Alley. Nocturnally.
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May 11th, 2007 at 04:14pm
Yeah I love Diagon Alley and Knockturn Alley. It just fits SO well.

I've got my friend to read the first book, and she doesn't do reading. I wasn't even sure that she could, but she's managed to stumble her way through it.

She says she's enjoying it, hahaha.
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May 11th, 2007 at 04:47pm
My brother didn't want to read the books, but while I was reading the GoF he decided to try and her read them all in a few weeks.



And McGonagall cant be evil omgno
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May 11th, 2007 at 04:56pm
Naaah I don't think McGonagall is evil either. She's just so good!

That's almost like saying Dumbledore was in league with Voldemort!
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May 11th, 2007 at 09:14pm
About the evil McGonagall thing...there was this huge post on facebook...
so i think I'll just post it ~~

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So, I found this online from someone who found it on LiveJournal. I'm sorry I can't give credit to the author, but we do appreciate everything this person has come up with and commented on.
Think about this stuff: it's crazy!

***SPOLIERS*** (from books 1-6)



So obviously from the Topic title this is about the possibility of Professor McGonagall being a spy for Voldemort. I know it sounds far-fetched and believe me, when I first read this theory in a Mugglenet Editorial I was so astounded. I mean, McGonagall is one of my favorite characters and she is soo good so how could she be a spy for Voldemort? But then I read the editorial and I was blown away. It really got me thinking that it could actually be true. So I'm just going to post some highlights and evidence about it from the editorial and some of my own ideas.

"But – she’s [McGonagall] so wonderful! We love her and cheer for her – her crotchety old spirit, strength of character, biting wit, her constant support of Harry even under pressure, and the fact that she is just plain cool... A bit like Mad-eyed Moody in GOF. Jo doesn’t mind giving us a favorite character whom we respect and chuckle behind our sleeves at (The Amazing Bouncing Ferret, anyone?), and then smashing our castle brutally. And McGonagall isn’t a person. She is a character. A very cool character, but a character invented by an author who has proven that she is the master of the red herring.

By the way, did you know that McGonagall and Tom Riddle went to school together?

McGonagall is two years older then Tom Riddle, according to the Harry Potter Lexicon, which dates McGonagall’s birthday in 1925 and that Voldemort’s in 1926 or 1927. Therefore they both attended Hogwarts and were within two school years. It’s safe to assume that they were both prefects. They must have known each other. This seems to be very important information - why haven’t we been told? The only reason we wouldn’t be told was if JK Rowling didn’t want us to know. And why wouldn’t she want us to know something so important but seemingly so innocuous? Perhaps because it isn’t innocuous. There is a parallel nature to their lives that gives two foundations: one, it gives ample opportunity for them to meet and become connected, and two, it leaves doors opened for later explanations of events – such as the connection between Voldemort’s job at Borgin and Burkes and McGonagall starting at Hogwarts, which happened a year apart.

Certainly, we cannot convict McGonagall on the grounds of “having opportunity to side with Tom Riddle.” But although we all love McGonagall, has she ever done anything that would disqualify her for being a Death Eater? When we rush to defend her, citing cases of strength of character and witty retorts, do we ever have in our hands actions – things that she herself has committed – that place her firmly on the side of Dumbledore? In other words – what, officially, prevents us from believing that McGonagall is a spy? And is lack of evidence for a good McGonagall enough to convict? After all, none of her actions show any leaning towards evil, although noticeably neutral. Nothing she’s done is actually suspicious... Or.... perhaps it is.

Perhaps the fact that she appears at Privet Drive that fateful day before Dumbledore. The fact that he was not anticipating her arrival, although it “amused” him. Process that. Dumbledore didn’t send McGonagall to Privet Drive. So what was McGonagall doing all day – the most important day in Wizarding history – sitting on a stone wall? Especially when we find out that she had no idea that Harry was arriving there. How did she know that Dumbledore was going to be at Privet Drive – or did she even know? And if she didn’t know, why was she there? Why is she so angry – angry – at the celebrations taking place? Why does Jo attach adjectives to her like “coldly”, “piercing”, “sharply”, and “angrily” all in the same two pages as they are discussing – not the death of Lily and James – but the demise of Voldemort? Why does she become almost out of control at the idea of Harry living with the Dursleys? And why are there so many unanswered questions about McGonagall from this one scene?

It’s not only the opening chapter of PS/SS that cast a shadow over McGonagall. The trio goes to her with the information that the Philosopher’s/Sorceror's Stone is about to be stolen. When Harry wants to talk to Dumbledore and tells her it’s secret, she’s “cold” and answers him sharply. Why the negative response? But that’s nothing compared to her reaction to their knowledge of the Philosopher’s Stone. She is extremely flustered, dropping things, reacting with “suspicion and shock” that these children know such a well hidden secret. Which makes me wonder – if these children know such a well kept secret, isn’t it less guarded then originally thought? And if that’s the case – shouldn’t she at least mention it to Dumbledore? Considering that she’s his second in command, the fact that she doesn’t even notify him is very strange.

Remember her reaction to Ginny’s return – alive and well – in CoS?

“I think we’d all like to know [how she got out alive]," McGonagall said weakly.

Weakly. She’s certainly in a bit of shock. Remember who was with Barty Crouch Jr. when the dementor administered the kiss in GoF? Isn’t it strange that one of the most powerful witches of her day couldn’t prevent that happening in the same room with her? Re-reading the books, I’m struck by how often McGonagall’s actions are neutral, and how often her words could be taken to mean so many different things. When McGonagall first hears of Dumbledore’s murder, she sinks into a chair in shock and gasps:

“Snape...We all wondered... but he trusted... always... Snape... I can’t believe it...”

Substitute Voldemort for “he” in that sentence and listen to the implications – a bit shocking how easy that was, isn’t it?

Even beyond double meanings, though, the final scene with Harry and McGonagall is disturbing. Harry will not tell her about his trip with Dumbledore, and her reaction – rather then grudging acceptance of his loyalty to Dumbledore – is anger and frustration. But she too is supposed to be loyal to Dumbledore – and considering that he’s just died, the fact that she is prying into his personal information through Harry seems at best inconsiderate, and at worst – treacherous.

J.K. Rowling is playing a very tight game here. She has to give us enough very cleverly hidden clues so that when the truth is revealed, we believe it despite the shock and horror, because we can return to the older material and find the weaker scent. However, if there is too much evidence and paper trail, it’s ferreted out and there is no surprise. Is there lack of evidence? No. Is there abundance of evidence? Obviously not.

Alright, I admit that there isn’t any conclusive evidence against McGonagall. But let’s do a bit of literary role playing. You are J.K. Rowling. You are starting to plot out the Harry Potter books, and you decide, for kicks, to create a spy. You want it to be revealed at the end of the seventh book, so for six books you have to hide him from your readers prying eyes. You begin to lay out the game plan, with this thesis – if there was a spy, what would he look like and how would characters around him behave? He would be:

* Trusted by Dumbledore – high up in command.
* Trusted by Harry and his friends.
* Trusted by the readers.
* No doubt about his/her loyalties.
* There would need to be someone or something to distract people (readers and characters) from thinking about him/her at all – say, a more obvious target.
* Someone with ties to Voldemort that were discreetly hidden.
* Mild hints scattered that were recognizable from hindsight, but barely visible at first glance.
* Nothing to disqualify him/her – random acts of goodness – that would have to be explained away.

Is there anything I missed?

If there was a spy at Hogwarts, his/her character would be developed in exactly the same way as McGonagall’s character. Catch that?

If JK Rowling created a spy for Voldemort, she would have to create the character in the same way she has created McGonagall.

I’d say that that’s an indictment.

It’s still all guesswork and whistling in the dark, of course. But then, if it was anything else and we could prove it, JK Rowling wouldn’t be a master at her trade, now would she?"

Also Think about the irony. Snape, the Slytherin, turning out to be a good guy and McGonagall, the Gryffindor, turning out to be a bad guy? Plus JKR said there are Death Eaters from Ravenclaw, Hufflepuff, and Gryffindor so why not McGonagall?

PLUS, McGonagall is head of Gryffindor and WAS head of Gryffindor when the Marauders were at school. What if she saw Peter, a vulnerable, weak, little boy who didn't fit in even with his own friends, and decided he could be easily persuaded so she pushed him to the Death Eaters? She'd be in the perfect position to influence him as head of his house.


Now, obviously a lot of thought was put into the argument. I think it's a huge stretch tbh, but some of the points were quite interesting [though unlikely]
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May 12th, 2007 at 04:04am
...that's just pulled out of ass seriously. lmfao
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May 12th, 2007 at 07:23am
I think that's all a case of reading too deeply into things. McGonagall was outside the Dursely's house to survey the family, she was pissed off because she wouldn't want this potentially great wizard to be brought up with such foul people.

Plus the most important thing that I can think of, is that she says she'll help Harry become an Auror if its the last thing she does. Its the only time she's ever become aroused and said something with such huge conviction. As for all the other expressions being "sharp" or "piercing"... well she's pretty much been half a cat for most of her life. Its what cats do: glare etc.

Saying that, I wouldn't put it past Jo tbh... but its way too farfetched for my liking.
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May 12th, 2007 at 07:59am
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May 12th, 2007 at 08:31am
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