Song Meanings, credit?

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May 1st, 2007 at 04:58am
I felt this should be brought to attention as I am acquainted with a lot of the people who wrote the Song Meanings on that particular portion of GSB. I just wanted to say that those members should be credited in some way, like I was under the impression they would be when they started writing their Song Meanings early last year. I think there may have been an intention to at first, but then the new site came along and many things changed very quickly -- a lot of people went uncredited for their work when they were told they would be. There is only one name associated with the Song Meanings as it is now, therefor everyone else that wrote song articles is anonymous -- leaving the impression they were all written by one person -- Song Meaning Administrator/Moderator, Faith. All others are anonymous people that spent hours doing research and making their articles unique to GSB. I felt like I should say something of this because I am not directly involved with the Song Meanings, but to the people that are, they have been very subtle about receiving no credibility. No hard feelings on me, just a suggestion.

Thank you, humbly,

Rose


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I didn't want this to sound hard, but this sort of thing is plagiarism even if it is unintentional. Appointing credit to person(s) for another's work is one of those definitions of plagiarism.

Google Search: Definition taking credit for another's writing > I'm Feeling Lucky


Again, no hard feelings toward anyone. And I very much think Faith should be credited for her work and exuberant efforts. Smile
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May 1st, 2007 at 06:11am
Please, post a list of song meanings that have been written by other people and we will gladly credit those people right away.
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May 1st, 2007 at 03:45pm
Faith, you worked with all the people who aren't named and you know better than I who wrote what song articles. I don't have a list of which song meanings were written by who -- I know a few though.
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May 1st, 2007 at 05:02pm
HavingAGreenDay:
Faith, you worked with all the people who aren't named and you know better than I who wrote what song articles. I don't have a list of which song meanings were written by who -- I know a few though.


Originally, there were 2 people besides me in the SM crew. They got fired and none of their work is currently displayed on the site in any state, shape or form. I have actually found the song meanings one of those people offered posted on another site.
After that I worked with CristhyneS, who did a rather good job, but it was never her main priority and she was at one point dismissed from that job so that she could give all her time to editing. I found it easier to rewrite her articles rather than edit them into something that would fully satisfy me. All the information used in the articles was also personally found and checked by me.
I will, however, as soon as possible revise all of the articles that might have bits of someone else's work in them and make sure that this is no longer an issue.
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May 1st, 2007 at 10:27pm
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HavingAGreenDay:
Faith, you worked with all the people who aren't named and you know better than I who wrote what song articles. I don't have a list of which song meanings were written by who -- I know a few though.


Originally, there were 2 people besides me in the SM crew. They got fired and none of their work is currently displayed on the site in any state, shape or form. I have actually found the song meanings one of those people offered posted on another site.
After that I worked with CristhyneS, who did a rather good job, but it was never her main priority and she was at one point dismissed from that job so that she could give all her time to editing. I found it easier to rewrite her articles rather than edit them into something that would fully satisfy me. All the information used in the articles was also personally found and checked by me.
I will, however, as soon as possible revise all of the articles that might have bits of someone else's work in them and make sure that this is no longer an issue.
I know you didn't find all of the included information on your own, because I recall discussing "86" last year with CristhyneS when she was writing it and all of the posted definitions of that song meaning about the number, were found by her. If you edit out everything that wasn't already "changed by you," why was everyone wasting their time to have their work taken, changed and completely erased of any of their efforts? That just seems wrong, to CristhyneS especially, hence I don't very well know the other person who was working as a Song Meaning Admin. last year. She actually put in a lot of time writing her articles and was proud of them. There is nothing wrong with your status as a high-ranked Admin. to come along and edit some of her or her counterpart SM Admin's work, but to completely omit it....

Her work and the information she found was more than usable -- and it is being used. I don't want to delve into this too much more. It was just a suggestion -- some people deserve credit, because it's not all a one person show.

Thanks again,

Rose
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May 1st, 2007 at 11:35pm
HavingAGreenDay:
I know you didn't find all of the included information on your own, because I recall discussing "86" last year with CristhyneS when she was writing it and all of the posted definitions of that song meaning about the number, were found by her. If you edit out everything that wasn't already "changed by you," why was everyone wasting their time to have their work taken, changed and completely erased of any of their efforts? That just seems wrong, to CristhyneS especially, hence I don't very well know the other person who was working as a Song Meaning Admin. last year. She actually put in a lot of time writing her articles and was proud of them. There is nothing wrong with your status as a high-ranked Admin. to come along and edit some of her or her counterpart SM Admin's work, but to completely omit it....

Her work and the information she found was more than usable -- and it is being used. I don't want to delve into this too much more. It was just a suggestion -- some people deserve credit, because it's not all a one person show.

Thanks again,

Rose


Yes, indeed, those dictionary definitions were found by her. But they do not belong to her, and can be found with basically about 2 clicks. And I just recently reread that article and realized those difinitions aren't necessary, so I'm gonna take them out.
No one made anyone do anything for the site. If it was all that much time and effort, then they shouldn't have done it.
I don't want to publicly announce why most of what Cristhyne wrote was dismissed, simply because I don't want to embarrass her. But lets just say, if other SM people wrote good stuff in the first place, it wouldn't have to be "changed by me".
She once claimed that it took her about 15 minutes to write one article, while I spent at least 3 hours if not a few days on each because I checked every single fact I used and sometimes it took quite a while finding those facts.
I will, however, mention that originally the sections were supposed to have introductions written by section admins. In the SM intro I did mention the people who helped me with the meanings and especially Cristhyne because I remember how much she wanted to be given credit.
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May 2nd, 2007 at 01:57pm
Those definitions of 86 were good to have so people can understand why that number may have been used in reference to what the narrator was talking about. Without those definitions now, people have no idea how the number "86" came about its meaning. Cristhyne has never written anything to be "embarrassed" by, so saying that has a mild meanness to it. The time and effort was put in by people who wanted to help, not because they had to or were "made" to help. I don't want to talk about this anymore though, because you seem reserved about it and if you really need all the credit than power to you. Cristhyne doesn't even come here much anymore, and I think I'm finding out why. This isn't just, but who gives a damn, it was last year....
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May 2nd, 2007 at 03:37pm
HavingAGreenDay:
Those definitions of 86 were good to have so people can understand why that number may have been used in reference to what the narrator was talking about. Without those definitions now, people have no idea how the number "86" came about its meaning. Cristhyne has never written anything to be "embarrassed" by, so saying that has a mild meanness to it. The time and effort was put in by people who wanted to help, not because they had to or were "made" to help. I don't want to talk about this anymore though, because you seem reserved about it and if you really need all the credit than power to you. Cristhyne doesn't even come here much anymore, and I think I'm finding out why. This isn't just, but who gives a damn, it was last year....

I left only the definition needed.
It would be a lot meaner to say the truth than refuse to say it. And I really doubt Cristhyne's absence on the site has anything to do with this. I think she was gone before the site got renewed.
If people only wanted to help, then this shouldn't be about credit. Nor should they go on and post those same song meanings on another site.
The funniest thing is that a nice request would most likely achieve the desired effect. But instead you had to attack me. I'm only talking to you about this because you accused me of plagiarism, not because I sincerely give a damn about whether anyone, including me, gets credit for the articles. For me, it was always about what's best for the site, but now that you've attacked me, it's personal. And somehow attacking people to get something nice from them never works.
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May 2nd, 2007 at 08:45pm
No one has attacked you in any way shape or form. I simply called it plagiarism because awarding credit to one person when more than one was involved is a form of it. You're accusing yourself of plagiarism because I actually highly doubt you were the one who called it "Faith's song meanings and articles," though I can't say who did because I don't know. And Cristhyne has seen the new site, so she did not leave before it renewed. Whether you care if anyone gets credit or not is meaningless because someone is getting credit.
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May 2nd, 2007 at 10:29pm
1. I haven't left GSB. Just because i'm much less active now doesn't mean I don't check it out from time to time. you can contunie arguing that with Rose though who actually speaks to me via MSN on a regular basis and has an idea of what I do and not do while online.
2. As I've told Rose before, I cannot be bothered arguing for the credit of what I did or didn't do. You and I both know what I did, what you did, and whtever we did together. And since I truely did what I did because, in the first place I enjoyed it quite a lot (although it was a lot of work with a lot of songs), and in the second place, because I actually enjoyed too helping out here in GSB and was very enthusiastic abotu the changes and new site. 86, which was the first article I was interested on reading because it meant a lot to me, was barely touched by you. I could possibly bet that around 90% of the one that was posted at least until yesterday was my doing.
Don't worry, although I think the document where my song meanings were saved on my computer got deleted at some point for god-knows-what-reason, that one I sent to the person I wrote it for, basically, (and just to that person via PM, I know very well I can't be blamed for posting the song meanings I wrote else where), and I know she saved it, so as soon as I see her around I'll ask her to please send it back to me so we can contrast. For I do as well have saved the song meaning for that song that was up until yesterday, and then we can contrast that one to the one that is up today if you'd like.
Because what I do mind is you saying that you "did all the research" when you obviously didn't research, for one, the meanings of the number 86. Just by admitting to that you are admitting you didn't do *all* the research, and that perhaps, you should reconsider too if you've changed *all* the articles. Because I do mind you saying that I have no credit for the song meanings because *nothing* of what I did ever got posted, and you implying that that is only because I should be embarrassed of the job I did?
I know I have nothing to be embarassed about there.
3. Did I ever say I did a song's meaning in 15 minutes? I can't recall it, but i cant' deny it either, maybe I did. But you've said it yourself, "quality over quanity", and perhaps that meaning was for a song that I had over analyzed many times before and simply had to sit down and focus on unloading my ideas on a Word document. How much time I spent on a song meaning has little to do with the quality of it.

If you're planning on changing any other song meanings article sometimes soon, please let me know too, so I either save them or save myself going through all the trouble of trying to find the documents or prints where I had songs meanings I wrote.
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May 3rd, 2007 at 03:51am
It's kinda funny...I never actually cared about whether anyone gets credit. I wanted to put up good articles. If I have to change yours because of horrible grammar and unconfirmed facts, then so be it. If I have to be the bad one and get bitched at for whatever you think I did wrong, so be it. I checked all the information in the articles, which is one of the reasons I dismissed some of your articles - if I couldn't confirm the info in them, I didn't use it.
I only kept "86" close it your variant because you said it was important for you. Since I'm now being accused and attacked, there's no point in being nice anymore, so I'm changing it because I never liked or agreed with your song meaning.
I did, in fact, research the number 86 and know that there are more than 5 possible explanations of where the meaning of it came from. The one you gave is one of the most unpopular and makes the least sence. Don't really see why you're so proud of submitting that to the site.. o_0
And just for your information, Cristhyne, none of the articles on this site are solely yours. None of your artiles were posted unchaged as they were, so if you want to save what's up now - go ahead, but they're not all yours. Wink
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May 3rd, 2007 at 08:00am
HavingAGreenDay:
No one has attacked you in any way shape or form. I simply called it plagiarism because awarding credit to one person when more than one was involved is a form of it. You're accusing yourself of plagiarism because I actually highly doubt you were the one who called it "Faith's song meanings and articles," though I can't say who did because I don't know. And Cristhyne has seen the new site, so she did not leave before it renewed. Whether you care if anyone gets credit or not is meaningless because someone is getting credit.

You accused me of plagiarism in the very first post. That's a form of attacking. Image
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May 3rd, 2007 at 01:39pm
*butts nose into thread*

I think that Faith, Rose and Cris you three need to take this off borad and to the Bossman. This issue is not something for the public to see.

Just a thought
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May 3rd, 2007 at 03:26pm
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I didn't want this to sound hard, but this sort of thing is plagiarism even if it is unintentional. Appointing credit to person(s) for another's work is one of those definitions of plagiarism. Again, no hard feelings toward anyone. And I very much think Faith should be credited for her work and exuberant efforts. Smile
That was what I said in my first post and it never said, "Faith you plagiarized other persons' work." You weren't attacked, I would actually call that being friendly toward you.

I agree with you Michelle.
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May 3rd, 2007 at 03:30pm
Faith:
It's kinda funny...I never actually cared about whether anyone gets credit. I wanted to put up good articles. If I have to change yours because of horrible grammar and unconfirmed facts, then so be it. If I have to be the bad one and get bitched at for whatever you think I did wrong, so be it. I checked all the information in the articles, which is one of the reasons I dismissed some of your articles - if I couldn't confirm the info in them, I didn't use it.
I only kept "86" close it your variant because you said it was important for you. Since I'm now being accused and attacked, there's no point in being nice anymore, so I'm changing it because I never liked or agreed with your song meaning.
I did, in fact, research the number 86 and know that there are more than 5 possible explanations of where the meaning of it came from. The one you gave is one of the most unpopular and makes the least sence. Don't really see why you're so proud of submitting that to the site.. o_0
And just for your information, Cristhyne, none of the articles on this site are solely yours. None of your artiles were posted unchaged as they were, so if you want to save what's up now - go ahead, but they're not all yours. Wink
Cristhyne speaks and writes English as a second language, if you felt her grammar was bad here and there you could have discussed it with her and made appropriate changes. Still saying she needs to be "embarrassed" by what she did is simply inappropriate. Like Michelle said anyway, this shouldn't be discussed on the forum.
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May 3rd, 2007 at 04:40pm
HavingAGreenDay:
Cristhyne speaks and writes English as a second language, if you felt her grammar was bad here and there you could have discussed it with her and made appropriate changes. Still saying she needs to be "embarrassed" by what she did is simply inappropriate.


I did for some time. But my job is writing song meanings, not teaching her English. I simply don't feel comfortable telling her about her mistakes all the time. Especially when they're so bad. And I never said she needs to be embarrased of what she wrote. I said I didn't want to embarrass her by mentioning why her articles were dismissed. That's not the same thing, you know..

HavingAGreenDay:
I agree with you Michelle.

I noticed.
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May 3rd, 2007 at 07:08pm
I must agree with Michelle. I think we've got something to discuss here, yes. I felt the need to do it by now, yes. But I don't think this is the place. Mostly for you Faith, since your an Admin and right now we look like 4 years old kids fighting over whose cookie this is.
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May 4th, 2007 at 01:24am
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I must agree with Michelle. I think we've got something to discuss here, yes. I felt the need to do it by now, yes. But I don't think this is the place. Mostly for you Faith, since your an Admin and right now we look like 4 years old kids fighting over whose cookie this is.

Yep. And who started it? Mr. Green
By the way, I checked everything, and as far as I can tell no song meanings on this site are yours. If you see anything that's yours I'm sure you won't leave it unnoticed. Wink
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May 4th, 2007 at 02:47am
Faith:
CristhyneS:
I must agree with Michelle. I think we've got something to discuss here, yes. I felt the need to do it by now, yes. But I don't think this is the place. Mostly for you Faith, since your an Admin and right now we look like 4 years old kids fighting over whose cookie this is.

Yep. And who started it? Mr. Green
I because I wasn't sure who would step up to the plate or who to hold accountable. This shouldn't be an argument though, it was never intended to be. WTF
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