Banning

Well.
I think I'll start by saying; I agree.
And I think Dujo and the mods should seriously consider this, 'cause it seems pretty fair to me, though I think one warning would be enough, then one week ban, then see if they can behave. 'cause if they're given three chances and get banned that's.. Well, I don't really see why he should unban them then, that's what I kind of disagreed with, but the idea is good.

So I'd say;
1. One warning
2. Banned for a week
3. Unbanned to see if they can behave

or

1. Three warnings
2. Permanent ban

Other than that; I love you for writing this (Y)

*super grin*
thanks joe
i was certain id get bashed for this x_x

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Ok before i get attacked by a hundred and one mods and infact members telling me "omgz this is sooo off topic go find the correct thread you moron"
I would like to point out I haven't seen any threads on this topic, and the ones that may be losely assiociated are inactive, and i do not want to get banned for accidently bumping an inactive topic
yes i do fear dujo and his wrath, you can't really blame me

It's not like Dujo will ban you because he disapproves what you say.
It's not a dictatorship.
You can post in an old thread, and it says, if you think it's really important.
Obviously, some people will think it's important to post "OH YEAH TTLY! SUX!" but more likely, they don't have common sense neither read the rules.

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the idea I wanted to propose is that maybe we should have a "systematic ban" in the sense that, we should be given warnings. I know we have the rules and all, but 50% of this site wont read them...

Not reading the rules is a thing though.. But, as I said above, it doesn't prevent you from having common sense: cursing, fighting, basically, causing trouble is something you'd be punished for in "real life". Same here. A little bit of responsability and maturity never hurt anyway.
Talking about warnings: that's what happens for most of people being banned, I think?

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...what Im saying is, if we post a topic that is crude/offensive, instead of a mod coming along and posting a comment saying "haha you're going to be banned you retard" which does nothing but anger the member, I think we should have some sort of personal message, informing us that a post like this again may get us banned. think of it as three strikes your out. As in you have three chances, screw them up your banned. But you need to be told after each "rude" post that it counts as a strike. Also when banned maybe we should have a temporary week ban first, and if we continue to misbehave a longer ban?

I think it'd be hard to do that toward any kind of mistakes. I mean, there are all different reasons for being banned and you won't ban the people the same way (how long? temporary or permanent?), depending on whether what they did is more or less serious / stupid. (If this makes sense o_O)

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I have noted in a blog that it was stated "posting blah related topics here may result in banning" which in my opinion is harsh, it is unfair to discriminate against lack of knowledge, if a members had not seen that and posted a blog about the blahs and been banned, im sorry to say but that is almost like sentencing someone to jail without a fair trail.

D'you really think mods and admins are THAT rude and unfair?
You haven't seen a topic and made a duplicate, it happens to any of us.. to some degree.

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Also i was wondering, seeing after the whole losing that blahblah fiasco, is there any way to get back old banned members? I dont mean "omfgz lyke lets go and attack dujo and tell him croats smell and maybe he will bring them back cos lyke we are sooo mean"
I mean is there anyway we can prove ourselves mature enough to handle the new rules, and to somehow convince dujo to unban people like connor and davey. I've noticed a certian user, her name will not be displayed, has been unbanned, this user's unbannedment shocked me as to my knowledge she harrasses users 24/7. But I believe in second chances and trust the mods, its just i hope the other members haven't recieved a permanent ban.

Mods can't ban users.
Only admins can.

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please note this thread is not for dujo-bashing
nor is it for bashing my crap abilities to type/ post, I know this is rubbish I do NOT approve of putting down people. I am well aware my grammar/spelling/punctuation has gone to pots :]

if you have any more ideas related to this topic please post them here :]

oh btw i was told by a member on the blahs that infact some of these points have already been disscused in another thread
so i will put in the link here and apologise for my ignorance :]

You might want to tie it in with another thread Dujo has been replying to where some of your points are discussed

here
up the booai, June 26th, 2007 at 10:57:59am


please note: i am suggesting these ideas, as that is what this is section is for, of course i would like them to be thought over and even processed, however i am not forcing anyone to make these part of the gsb rules. These are purely just ideas. :]

Well I think Dujo's gonna ban you after reading that, simply

Don't you think there are some things you should be banned for even if you didn't get a warning?

I understand that the mods aren't that harsh, Im just taking precautions
I've been started on before for accidently saying something that came out wrong, Im just trying to point out Im not trying to cause trouble

Cecilia:

Well I think Dujo's gonna ban you after reading that, simply

you were kidding right..? o.o

and I understand your views, what I'm saying is that, some people don't have common sense right away, and as we have seen in order to act "cool" try be all "badass", but I don't think they actually relise the consequences of thier actions, therefore even just warning may make them relise, hopefully.
I know that both the admin and the mods are busy, and haven't time to deal with "wanna-be rebels", but some of them actually can't understand the idea of authority, or rather can't accept it, and prehaps a wake up call is in order.
Yes banning in a sense is a wake -up call

[[this post isnt finished my fire alram went off brb]]

As I was saying, yes banning does achieve that effect, its just in some cases the person may honestly not have meant to be so big-headed but got caught up in the moment, and prehaps if they had a warning they may stop and rectify thier mistakes before they say something that is bang out of order. :/
I just believe that by appealling to a person's better nature will have a greater affect then banning them straight away, because then you get these ridiculous protests which people think will make the admin change thier minds and bring back the banned member,

hence the reason i ask "3] how can we appeal to dujo to unban banned users?"
I genuinly don't know the procedure and Im knew to this side of gsb, the legal side so to speak. But I understand your views completly :]



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Dujo:

Don't you think there are some things you should be banned for even if you didn't get a warning?

tbh, no. I know that sounds silly and immature, but I believe strongly in second chances and fair policy, if one person is allowed warning s and the next person isn't, regardless of thier offence I feel that is unfair, for reasons mentioned above. I know this is the real world were people take advantage of rules and find loop holes and abuse them, and yes I will admit some of the utter crud that has been posted on the blahblah lately makes me want to shake those people silly, but at the end of the day they are kids. But I agree we should be responsible for our actions.
What I was wondering was, you know how certian people are banned from the blogs section for awhile until they prove thier maturity, well if they did post something rude/offenisve in a blahblah, maybe you could take away thier blahblah privilages for a week? its almost like a ban then :/, and certianly a wake-up call.
Its just that believe it or not Dujo most of us actually appericaite this site and the fact you have given us a sancturay away from home/ general life problems. Being banned for me would be awful, not because i cant come on gsb, but because I would lose touch with some of the people I am close with on here, call me silly but I have made some true friends on here that I cherish as much as those I have in real life. Thats why I suggested warnings/ bans from the blahblah section for a period of time or until an apology is given, because by taking away their communtication links so suddenly, as in the case of davey leaves an uproar and certian sense of lose, like the big fuss before about davey getting banned, we all agree he was banned for a reason yes, the reason we want him back is because we miss him, and a lot of people dont know his msn/myspace.
I dont knowif Im making sense, sorry. :/

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Dujo:

Don't you think there are some things you should be banned for even if you didn't get a warning?

tbh, no.

So someone could come here, create a thread that says "F*UCK YOU" or something like that and post porn.. and what would we say?

"Hey, you can do that only one more time... you'll be banned after that"?

ok not fair that looks like im saying out right "no" :/
i wrote like a whole passage after it D:
I understand your point of view, and I guess they are asking to be banned or for trouble
and id be tempted to say yeah ok you're right they should be banned
but maybe if you take away thier posting privilages, but still allow them to to come and pm thier friends? or maybe give them 3 days or something so they can arrange differnt methods of talking to all thier friends and then ban them?
Im just saying to be banned from your friends is harsh, but I totally understand that they had it coming :/

out of interest, has anyone actually done that? I mean post such a thread? o.o

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I understand that the mods aren't that harsh, Im just taking precautions
I've been started on before for accidently saying something that came out wrong, Im just trying to point out Im not trying to cause trouble

Cecilia:

Well I think Dujo's gonna ban you after reading that, simply

you were kidding right..? o.o

and I understand your views, what I'm saying is that, some people don't have common sense right away, and as we have seen in order to act "cool" try be all "badass", but I don't think they actually relise the consequences of thier actions, therefore even just warning may make them relise, hopefully.
I know that both the admin and the mods are busy, and haven't time to deal with "wanna-be rebels", but some of them actually can't understand the idea of authority, or rather can't accept it, and prehaps a wake up call is in order.
Yes banning in a sense is a wake -up call

[[this post isnt finished my fire alram went off brb]]

I was kidding.

I'm not sure I got it right.
As Dujo said, some don't need to be warned only. Banning is a normal consequence to what they did.
You just can't act the same way toward every people's mistakes.
Some need more than "warning", sorry..

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Dujo:

Don't you think there are some things you should be banned for even if you didn't get a warning?

Its just that believe it or not Dujo most of us actually appericaite this site and the fact you have given us a sancturay away from home/ general life problems. Being banned for me would be awful, not because i cant come on gsb, but because I would lose touch with some of the people I am close with on here, call me silly but I have made some true friends on here that I cherish as much as those I have in real life. Thats why I suggested warnings/ bans from the blahblah section for a period of time or until an apology is given, because by taking away their communtication links so suddenly, as in the case of davey leaves an uproar and certian sense of lose, like the big fuss before about davey getting banned, we all agree he was banned for a reason yes, the reason we want him back is because we miss him, and a lot of people dont know his msn/myspace.
I dont knowif Im making sense, sorry. :/

Then that Davey person should think carefully before speaking.
He got banned for a reason and you missing him couldn't make him unbanned. That's unfair.
Maybe you, you think it's unfair because you can't talk to him anymore, but you can't blame anyone else but him.

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but maybe if you take away thier posting privilages, but still allow them to to come and pm thier friends? or maybe give them 3 days or something so they can arrange differnt methods of talking to all thier friends and then ban them?

Why would I bother after they do something like that?

Cecilia:

Then that Davey person should think carefully before speaking.
He got banned for a reason and you missing him couldn't make him unbanned. That's unfair.
Maybe you, you think it's unfair because you can't talk to him anymore, but you can't blame anyone else but him.

I never once stated that I thought by missing him he would be unbanned, tbh I don't actually know what he said that got him banned, the link I was giving to his blahblah was faulty and the only blah I found didn't seem that bad, then again the idiot did talk of mass swearicide, so yeah he was asking to be banned.
I myself can talk to him on msn, Im just saying that maybe if he relises the error of his ways, is there anything he can do to prove himself to dujo/ the admin. I admit that the admin were right to ban him, its just I honestly thought he was joking about the "mass swearicdie", and believe me im gonna give him an earful next time I talk to him -__-

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I don't actually know what he said that got him banned

He made 5 accounts.

Dujo:

paper heart:

I don't actually know what he said that got him banned

He made 5 accounts.

He did? ok that was pretty stupid of him seeing as I don't think he ever used the others o.o

Dujo:

Why would I bother after they do something like that?

Ok dujo I get what your saying. And im sure the cheesy "beacuse you're the better man" line wont work here. However there have been cases when you yourself have lifted a permanent ban after a certian user posted porn, yet when she spoke to you and apol,ogised you did unban her. Im not naming names as I fully support your actions, what Im saying is that if you did that for one user, shouldn't the same rules apply to all users?
Look Im not argueing with you here, I understand if someone is gonna be a pillock and start crud like that then yeah they are wasting your time and blatently taking advantage of this site. But like I said, if they were trully sorry, as the user mentioned before, then would you consider unbanning them?

Ok infact I can see now that this warning thing isn't going to work
I suggested an idea you beat it down with good reason, I just thought that maybe it would save you the hassle of having 837834787 people Iming you on msn :/
I just thought with warnings and certian privilages in place, people would relise that yes you are the authoritve figure, but alos appreicate how much you have done for us :/

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Cecilia:

Then that Davey person should think carefully before speaking.
He got banned for a reason and you missing him couldn't make him unbanned. That's unfair.
Maybe you, you think it's unfair because you can't talk to him anymore, but you can't blame anyone else but him.

I never once stated that I thought by missing him he would be unbanned, tbh I don't actually know what he said that got him banned, the link I was giving to his blahblah was faulty and the only blah I found didn't seem that bad, then again the idiot did talk of mass swearicide, so yeah he was asking to be banned.
I myself can talk to him on msn, Im just saying that maybe if he relises the error of his ways, is there anything he can do to prove himself to dujo/ the admin. I admit that the admin were right to ban him, its just I honestly thought he was joking about the "mass swearicdie", and believe me im gonna give him an earful next time I talk to him -__-

But what are you asking then?
You still talk to him on MSN, so what's the problem?
He got banned for having 5 accounts.
And...

GSB:

Permanent ban
You'll get permanently banned for:

#1 Creating/using more than one account on the site.

I think it's pretty clear?

Cecilia:

GSB:

Permanent ban
You'll get permanently banned for:

#1 Creating/using more than one account on the site.

I think it's pretty clear?

Yeah, and when they registered, they had to check the box that says 'this is my first account'

It's obviously there for a reason.

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He did? ok that was pretty stupid of him seeing as I don't think he ever used the others o.o

He used all of them. Not at the same time cause he kept getting banned.

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what Im saying is that if you did that for one user, shouldn't the same rules apply to all users?

Yep, and that's exactly how things work here. No one is "permanently" banned, everyone gets unbanned. All you have to do is send an email just like it says here and write that you understand the rules and that you won't make the same mistake again. After that you just have to wait (wait, not create new accounts) and you'll be unbanned.

Ellaisonfire:

Cecilia:

GSB:

Permanent ban
You'll get permanently banned for:

#1 Creating/using more than one account on the site.

I think it's pretty clear?

Yeah, and when they registered, they had to check the box that says 'this is my first account'

It's obviously there for a reason.

Im not denying what he did was wrong and stupid, I only suggested, maybe if he had been caught after making his second and told that the mods and admin are aware of him having more then one account, then maybe he would have apoloigised and deleted that account? I understand perfectly now why he is banned, but please note this thread is not about him, he was purely an example, if you see at the bottom of post I had clearly summurised my points.

1] have a three-strike system with personal warnings
2] have a temporary ban first and a be told the period of time we are banned for
3] how can we appeal to dujo to unban banned users?
I mean having said that when joining we are asked to tick the box stating we are older then 13, yet we have 12 year olds on this site, which once again I am not complaining of.

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Cecilia:

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Cecilia:

Then that Davey person should think carefully before speaking.
He got banned for a reason and you missing him couldn't make him unbanned. That's unfair.
Maybe you, you think it's unfair because you can't talk to him anymore, but you can't blame anyone else but him.

I never once stated that I thought by missing him he would be unbanned, tbh I don't actually know what he said that got him banned, the link I was giving to his blahblah was faulty and the only blah I found didn't seem that bad, then again the idiot did talk of mass swearicide, so yeah he was asking to be banned.
I myself can talk to him on msn, Im just saying that maybe if he relises the error of his ways, is there anything he can do to prove himself to dujo/ the admin. I admit that the admin were right to ban him, its just I honestly thought he was joking about the "mass swearicdie", and believe me im gonna give him an earful next time I talk to him -__-

But what are you asking then?
You still talk to him on MSN, so what's the problem?
He got banned for having 5 accounts.
And...

GSB:

Permanent ban
You'll get permanently banned for:

#1 Creating/using more than one account on the site.

I think it's pretty clear?

Again read my reply to Ellaisonfire. It is clear yes, however I don't think half of gsb have read the rules, and thats not my fault. Im not here asking for dujo to unban davey, thats not the point, again look at my summerised points, I am asking about if maybe we can have warnings which now I see wont work in every situation, as i said it was a suggestion.
My only point in reference to davey is, that although I can speak to him other epople can not, if he was allowed even 5 minutes to post a blah saying he was about to be banned and giving his msn address 6534767 people wouldn't be complaining of how they will never hear from him again and asking me for his msn.

so yes the rules are clear, to me, as I have actually read the rules, what Im saying is, some people don't, which yes it is thier fault if they get banned, Im asking how do we raise awareness of this?

Dujo:

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He did? ok that was pretty stupid of him seeing as I don't think he ever used the others o.o

He used all of them. Not at the same time cause he kept getting banned.

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what Im saying is that if you did that for one user, shouldn't the same rules apply to all users?

Yep, and that's exactly how things work here. No one is "permanently" banned, everyone gets unbanned. All you have to do is send an email just like it says here and write that you understand the rules and that you won't make the same mistake again. After that you just have to wait (wait, not create new accounts) and you'll be unbanned.

ok thank you, thats what I was asking, seeing as I wasn't sure, as I had been told a permanent ban means its permanent.
I shall forward that to him and connor and it is up to them to then relise the error of thier ways.

About the warnings, yes ok you're right they wont work in every siuation, what I am saying though is what if you didnt relise you were breaking the rules?
like a few months back, I and some other users where discussing Dita Von Teese, and we posting some pictures of her, and I honest to God had no intention of posting porn in any way or form, I respect Dita, even more so having read Kurtni's blog. However I was told by a user that I was posting porn and that I and the other members posting pictures were going to be reported to dujo and banned. Which as you can see now didn't happen, where it was because we apologised to her and told her how we honestly didnt see it as porn, or wether because her report was cast aside I dont know.
What Im saying is in that split second where I thought I was about to be banned I cried because I thought how stupid I was not to relise my mistake and wished I had a second chance to redeem myself.
So you see where one member regarded it as me blatently ignoring the rules and posting porn, even though Dita did have i]some form of clothing[/i], I genuinly was shocked it was viewed that way and wished I could go back in time.
In such a circumstance, If she had reported me, personally i would have thought a warning would have worked, and in a way her threatening to ban me was a warning.
I dont know if I make sense :/

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Again read my reply to Ellaisonfire. It is clear yes, however I don't think half of gsb have read the rules, and thats not my fault. Im not here asking for dujo to unban davey, thats not the point, again look at my summerised points, I am asking about if maybe we can have warnings which now I see wont work in every situation, as i said it was a suggestion.
My only point in reference to davey is, that although I can speak to him other epople can not, if he was allowed even 5 minutes to post a blah saying he was about to be banned and giving his msn address 6534767 people wouldn't be complaining of how they will never hear from him again and asking me for his msn.

so yes the rules are clear, to me, as I have actually read the rules, what Im saying is, some people don't, which yes it is thier fault if they get banned, Im asking how do we raise awareness of this?

Dujo:

Don't you think there are some things you should be banned for even if you didn't get a warning?