Religious Extremists in Government

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August 30th, 2007 at 01:13pm
It's something that really makes me angry.

I mean, the religious disease is one thing, but having the people who are in charge of our lives and welfare PUSHING their ignorant beliefs onto us in the form of regulations and oppression...it really makes me question the sanity of the human race.

Here's one example.

John Howard, prime minister of Australia stated that he will not legalize homosexual marriage in Australia because "It will dilute the significance of heterosexual marriage."
Because his religion dictates that "God" intended for males and females to have relations with each other, and any other way is not acceptable.

It really unnerves me to know that these kinds of people are giving power to Christianity, and allowing it to have ultimate influence over our lives. We can't be free with these religious extremists in our government!
Two men or two women aren't even free to marry if they want to!

I'm sure that, even if I did follow Christianity (which I most definitely do NOT, because it is LUDICROUS, but that's a different story) I would not support the appointment of religious extremists as politicians with leadership roles in our government, because it is setting a bias system to our everyday lives and restricting our freedom!

I even start to wonder, when I hear of statements such as the one above made by politicians and world leaders, what the future of the human race will bring! As part of a minority, I cannot even dream to overthrow the spreading problem that is religion, and am therefore forced into doomed existence.

I will not even begin to explain my non-belief. All I can say is that I have definitely accepted every shred of considerable arguments on both sides, and my final decision is that fact prevails over blind faith and I am not prepared to throw a chance card into the midst of my life. I do not believe in any religion, and that is final.

Am I alone here?
If you read this journal, and agree (or disagree) with my opinion on religious extremists in government, please comment! I do not, however, want stupid comments like "God is true you're going to Hell."
People who say that kind of stuff can take their phoney beliefs, shove them up their ass and take them with them to a purely metaphoric state of hell. Coffee
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August 30th, 2007 at 10:17pm
OK not wanting someone to be able to become a government official because of their religious beliefs is just as bad as telling someone they can't because of the colour of their skin or their sexual preference.

It is NOT ok to discriminate against someone because of their beliefs, having officials who are religious do not make them more dangerous. Hitler was an Athiest, Gandhi was a believer. But that doesn't mean I think all Athiest have no morals.

Yes religion will affect the officials life and therefore his work. But personally its for the better. how can moral guidelines such as ''love thy neighbour'' and ''thy shall not kill'' have a negative effect. The non religious states are communist ones and we can all see how well there doing.

Religion and State should stay seperate but they also have to coincide with one another. Because for the majority of people living on this earth god is just as important as how much tax you pay.
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August 30th, 2007 at 10:27pm
xXxAndreaIsCoolxXx:
By the way, you are also pushing your beliefs on other people. It's just as discriminatory for an athiest to call religion a "ludacris, ignorant disease," is just as bad as a devoted Christian man calling athiest a "ludacris, ignorant disease," which I'm sure you don't appreciate.


but apparently its ok these days to pick on christians, just look at the BBC or channel 4 their more than happy to run reports on the small extremist christians but a paranoma about islamic terrorist was scrapped because they were afraid to discriminate against muslims.
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August 31st, 2007 at 03:37pm
Just to get a discusion going, why does it seem that seperation of church and state is only a big problem in America rather than in the U.K. or Canada or Australia, etc?
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August 31st, 2007 at 08:46pm
Anji:
Just to get a discusion going, why does it seem that seperation of church and state is only a big problem in America rather than in the U.K. or Canada or Australia, etc?
I really think it's because in America, we tend to want what we want, and anything that stands in our way must go. Faith

And from what I know of Europeans, they're more private people. But then again, my experiance with Europeans is rather limited.
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August 31st, 2007 at 08:48pm
Also, I don't think that it's necessary to call Christianity, ludicrous, etc. Very rude of you.
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September 2nd, 2007 at 08:55pm
Well, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot were all atheists. A lot of historical twats were really.
There are still countries around today, like Tajikistan and other former soviet states, which were forced to become atheist. All religion was attacked and discriminated against.

So you see, an atheist can be just as much of an extremist as a christian. Atheists can be just as LUDICROUS.

Besides, it is impossible for someone to be a total 'non believer' the end goodbye have a nice life. It does not happen. You can be non-religious, totally secular, atheist- but you still believe in something, because you believe that God is nonexistant.

So yeah, my view on religion and the government.

Religion should not be totally removed from politics. That would be impossible. Politicians are the same as everyone else, they should be able to believe in what they want, and telling them they can't go to church anymore is horrible discrimination. Politics should take into consideration all religion, and treat all religion fairly and equally, regardless of state or culture.

But then you go to states which are all-muslim or all-christian, and then, can you truly blame those states for having an all-one-religion government? Not really. It isn't their fault.
It would be like saying my school was extremist because there were very few non-catholic people. Well, no shit, it was a catholic school. o_o
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September 2nd, 2007 at 09:02pm
Anji:
Just to get a discusion going, why does it seem that seperation of church and state is only a big problem in America rather than in the U.K. or Canada or Australia, etc?
It's quite big in Ireland, seeing as how almost everyone (in the Rep. anyway) seems to be Catholic. There are very few non-denominational schools. Abortion and gay marriage is illegal. Contraception and divorce were only legalized fairly recently.
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September 2nd, 2007 at 10:38pm
Paislee LeStrange:
I would not support the appointment of religious extremists as politicians with leadership roles in our government, because it is setting a bias system to our everyday lives and restricting our freedom!
And surely an atheist wouldn't push their beliefs on religions onto their people? If you were in power, you would say things about religion that would anger most religious believers and make laws acceptable that many would disagree with. Have you ever thought that by allowing gay marriage, you would upset many people even though you please some? Running a government is about doing what's best for the people and taking into account all people's points of views.

Paislee LeStrange:
As part of a minority, I cannot even dream to overthrow the spreading problem that is religion, and am therefore forced into doomed existence.
Over the top, much?

Paislee LeStrange:
I will not even begin to explain my non-belief. All I can say is that I have definitely accepted every shred of considerable arguments on both sides, and my final decision is that fact prevails over blind faith and I am not prepared to throw a chance card into the midst of my life. I do not believe in any religion, and that is final.
You clearly haven't taken in every side of the religious argument because you are still very closed minded by thinking that religion is just "blind faith."

Just because it's final that you don't believe in religion doesn't make it final that everyone doesn't believe in religion.
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September 3rd, 2007 at 04:54am
personaly it seems to me that USA never really had seperation of church and state.
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September 3rd, 2007 at 07:29am
There is a difference between a religious politician and a religious extremist politician... Obviously having an extremeist in any subject is bad.

The only example you gave was based on Gay Marriage, and i think you need to open this discussion up more because obviously thats a loaded topic.
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September 3rd, 2007 at 07:49am
NeoSteph:
OK not wanting someone to be able to become a government official because of their religious beliefs is just as bad as telling someone they can't because of the colour of their skin or their sexual preference.

No it's not. Being black or gay doesn't restrict others' freedom.

inforcing laws based on your personal beliefs, and applying them to a diverse nation, is wrong.


PLUS, people who rocked up in this forum telling me to shut up coz its bagging theur religion or whatever, need to brush up on their rights coz i have the RIGHT to FREEDOM OF SPEECH.

if a christian said that homosexuality is wrong or whatever, people would complain, and they would just say that its their religion. but that is HATE SPEECH.

freedom of SPEECH not FREEDOM OF RELIGION.

i'm not going to gag myself to simply spare the discomfort of a few ignorant people.


and THAT'S how we do it in my town Cool
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September 3rd, 2007 at 07:55am
btw i only gave one example, coz its really all that needs to be said. its a microcosm.
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September 3rd, 2007 at 08:08am
Paislee LeStrange:
btw i only gave one example, coz its really all that needs to be said. its a microcosm.
You can't base an entire discussion about religious extremists based on one minute subject. If gay marriage is all you think that needs to be said, this thread will have to be locked because we have a thread on gay marriage. I was under the impression that you wanted to have a discussion ...
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September 3rd, 2007 at 08:12am
Kurtni:
Paislee LeStrange:
btw i only gave one example, coz its really all that needs to be said. its a microcosm.
You can't base an entire discussion about religious extremists based on one minute subject. If gay marriage is all you think that needs to be said, this thread will have to be locked because we have a thread on gay marriage. I was under the impression that you wanted to have a discussion ...

Paislee LeStrange:
if a christian said that homosexuality is wrong or whatever, people would complain, and they would just say that its their religion. but that is HATE SPEECH.

freedom of SPEECH not FREEDOM OF RELIGION

I think murder is wrong, am I not allowed to express that opinion because its "hate speech". I think abortion is wrong, am I not allowed to say that either? Freedom of speech gives you the right to say those things. And if you think homosexuality is wrong you have the right to say that.
"Homosexuality is wrong and defies my personal beliefs"
vs.
"I hate f*cking fags, kill queers"

Do you see the difference there? One is abusive and malacious. The other is a well stated opinion. If you're allowed to base your opinions on your atheism, then they have an equal right to base their opinions on religion.
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September 3rd, 2007 at 10:24am
Kurtni:
Kurtni:
Paislee LeStrange:
btw i only gave one example, coz its really all that needs to be said. its a microcosm.
You can't base an entire discussion about religious extremists based on one minute subject. If gay marriage is all you think that needs to be said, this thread will have to be locked because we have a thread on gay marriage. I was under the impression that you wanted to have a discussion ...

Paislee LeStrange:
if a christian said that homosexuality is wrong or whatever, people would complain, and they would just say that its their religion. but that is HATE SPEECH.

freedom of SPEECH not FREEDOM OF RELIGION

I think murder is wrong, am I not allowed to express that opinion because its "hate speech". I think abortion is wrong, am I not allowed to say that either? Freedom of speech gives you the right to say those things. And if you think homosexuality is wrong you have the right to say that.
"Homosexuality is wrong and defies my personal beliefs"
vs.
"I hate f*cking fags, kill queers"

Do you see the difference there? One is abusive and malacious. The other is a well stated opinion. If you're allowed to base your opinions on your atheism, then they have an equal right to base their opinions on religion.
youre callin me prejudiced?

pfft.

in america, a 11 year old boy came to school wearing a tshirt bearing slogans such as ABORTION IS MURDER, HOMOSEXUALITY IS A SIN, and WHITE POWER. the school officials asked him to remove it, and his parents attacked the school with the argument that ITS THEIR RELIGION, and that it was offensive to them for the school to ask the boy not to display the slogans.

there is nothing in any constitituion which justifies hate speech.
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September 3rd, 2007 at 01:13pm
Paislee LeStrange:
PLUS, people who rocked up in this forum telling me to shut up coz its bagging theur religion or whatever, need to brush up on their rights coz i have the RIGHT to FREEDOM OF SPEECH.

if a christian said that homosexuality is wrong or whatever, people would complain, and they would just say that its their religion. but that is HATE SPEECH.

freedom of SPEECH not FREEDOM OF RELIGION.
Everyone has the Freedom of Religion. Looks like you should check up on your rights too.
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September 3rd, 2007 at 04:40pm
Paislee LeStrange:
NeoSteph:
OK not wanting someone to be able to become a government official because of their religious beliefs is just as bad as telling someone they can't because of the colour of their skin or their sexual preference.

No it's not. Being black or gay doesn't restrict others' freedom.

inforcing laws based on your personal beliefs, and applying them to a diverse nation, is wrong.

ehem, your Freedom of speech and religion exist because someone wanted their personal beliefs to apply to a diverse nation.
Paislee LeStrange:

PLUS, people who rocked up in this forum telling me to shut up coz its bagging theur religion or whatever, need to brush up on their rights coz i have the RIGHT to FREEDOM OF SPEECH


I can't take you seriously, if you can't speak properly. "coz" is not a word.

Technically, you don't have freedom of speech here, This website isn't bound by a/the (US) Constitution. And even if it was, you can't come here and say whatever you want, because this is a working society and in any society you need to keep the peace and to keep the peace you need to have guide lines of what respectable conversation and actions are for a given forum, thread etc and "banging" peoples faiths tends disrupt societal peace.
I'm pretty sure everyone else here is well schooled in their rights. More then likely they're telling you to shut up because you're not making any sense and you don't know what your talking about or what your stance on anything is.
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September 3rd, 2007 at 05:33pm
Ol' Blue Eyes.:
Anji:
Just to get a discusion going, why does it seem that seperation of church and state is only a big problem in America rather than in the U.K. or Canada or Australia, etc?
I really think it's because in America, we tend to want what we want, and anything that stands in our way must go. Faith

And from what I know of Europeans, they're more private people. But then again, my experiance with Europeans is rather limited.
The thing I really don't understand though is that America was founded by athiests. So I think that having a Christianity influenced law system isn't exactly what they planned to achieve.
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September 3rd, 2007 at 05:35pm
Paislee LeStrange:
Kurtni:
Kurtni:
Paislee LeStrange:
btw i only gave one example, coz its really all that needs to be said. its a microcosm.
You can't base an entire discussion about religious extremists based on one minute subject. If gay marriage is all you think that needs to be said, this thread will have to be locked because we have a thread on gay marriage. I was under the impression that you wanted to have a discussion ...

Paislee LeStrange:
if a christian said that homosexuality is wrong or whatever, people would complain, and they would just say that its their religion. but that is HATE SPEECH.

freedom of SPEECH not FREEDOM OF RELIGION

I think murder is wrong, am I not allowed to express that opinion because its "hate speech". I think abortion is wrong, am I not allowed to say that either? Freedom of speech gives you the right to say those things. And if you think homosexuality is wrong you have the right to say that.
"Homosexuality is wrong and defies my personal beliefs"
vs.
"I hate f*cking fags, kill queers"

Do you see the difference there? One is abusive and malacious. The other is a well stated opinion. If you're allowed to base your opinions on your atheism, then they have an equal right to base their opinions on religion.
youre callin me prejudiced?

pfft.

in america, a 11 year old boy came to school wearing a tshirt bearing slogans such as ABORTION IS MURDER, HOMOSEXUALITY IS A SIN, and WHITE POWER. the school officials asked him to remove it, and his parents attacked the school with the argument that ITS THEIR RELIGION, and that it was offensive to them for the school to ask the boy not to display the slogans.

there is nothing in any constitituion which justifies hate speech.
Well, the last time I checked an 11 year old boy is not a religious extremist government official is he? Honestly, the only statement thats meant to offend, or is "hate speech" as you call it is white power, and being racist isnt justifed with a religion, legally that doesnt happen. If his parents want to be ignorant and say its religion, let them.

If someone feels abortion is murder they have the right to say that. If someone feels homosexuality is a sin they have the right to say that. You can't take away their free speech just because you disagree. There isnt anything hateful about it, its an opinion.

O_O you make it sound like you don't think anyone who has an opinion other than your own deserves free speech.
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