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Ol' Blue Eyes.
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October 23rd, 2007 at 04:10am
Kurtni:
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My aunt has a child with downs syndrome, and the child is now in her thirties. Yes, my aunt has had to make sacrifices and such, but she didn't feel the need to stunt my cousin's growth.

Downs syndrome isn't the same as what this girl had. She was severely brain damaged, and had no mobility. That doesn't necessarily make it acceptable, but you can't really compare her condition to downs syndrome.
Oh, I must have misinterpreted the information. I thought she had a very severe case of downs syndrome. Faith
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October 23rd, 2007 at 11:03am
thats horrible.
On one hand, i agree with what her parents did, but on the other, i dont. Its hard to choose, really, because 1. she has the mind of an infant, like you said and 2. she cant move or talk or feed herself. And i believe that yes, without bleeding every month or so and displaying large boobs she would be less of a hassle, but thats such a small thing, really, and i if she were my kid, i wouldn't have had all those surgeries and all, because thats how she was meant to be, and unless it was causing her real comfort, no. Yet again, maybe her parents are a tad lazy and all that, but thats not the point. I have nothing else to say, i thought i would, but suddenly i don't.
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October 27th, 2007 at 11:49am
The thing is, if this becomes OK, to down size your child if all it's going to do is nothing, what's to stop them from just turning her into a head, connected to a heart, huh? I mean, that's even smaller than a small person, therefore more convenient. Right?

Just the thought is horrible, it seems as if the parents truely don't care for her at all, like all she does now is live, not even grow, just exist.
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October 27th, 2007 at 12:36pm
Its the equivalent of putting her in a coma, or turning her into a little potted plant. A bonsai.
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October 27th, 2007 at 12:56pm
You can't compare her to a bonsai plant though. She may be mentally disabled, but she's still a living thing, not just a thing, a person.
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October 27th, 2007 at 06:15pm
Trees are living too! They are meant to grow and thrive. Instead, they are stunted and put into people's living rooms for the sake of convience and beauty.
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October 28th, 2007 at 07:59pm
Anji:
You can't compare her to a bonsai plant though. She may be mentally disabled, but she's still a living thing, not just a thing, a person.
It's the same principal though. Cutting something down to keep it manageable.
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October 28th, 2007 at 08:07pm
Ol' Blue Eyes.:
Anji:
You can't compare her to a bonsai plant though. She may be mentally disabled, but she's still a living thing, not just a thing, a person.
It's the same principal though. Cutting something down to keep it manageable.


Exactly what I was trying to say.
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October 29th, 2007 at 08:18pm
They are acting as if the poor kid was an inconvience to them.

Psychologically speaking, she could pick up motor skills if given the chance.

(If tencho-bable makes you wince, look away NOW)

The medial temporal lobe - also known as the hippocampus - is the central point to short term memory. A famous case of a man who had his hippocampus removed to lessen the effects of his horrendous and life-threatening epiliptic fits (named only as Mr HM). This proved to eliminate his short-term memory. As long as his attention was on you, he could remember your name but if it doesn;t and his attention goes back onto you then he will remember it.

However, his previous Long Term memory was in perfect working order and since his short term memory capabilities were removed, he could no longer make long term memories so easily, as was shown when he used to think for years he was twenty-seven until eventually he realised this must be wrong so he guessed instead. This shows that a connection was made over a long period of time, in the neo-cortex (LTM).

However, again, his abilities were hindered only with explicit memories (being names, places, events). With implicit memories (i.e motor skills, physical processes that you are conscious of), this information is kept in the cerebellum. He was assigned a task to mirror-draw some basic shapes over a period of a month, to draw a series (and the same series of shapes) once a day. Normal participants will get better everyday and so Mr HM, even though he swore that it was the first time he had ever done that in his life. It shows that his implicit memory was perfectly intact and it was only the explicit memory he had problems with.

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Therefore, it may take years but this girl could learn basic motor skills. This was also proven with the privation case of Genie.

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In LA, there was a famous case of a child who had been subject to very severe privation (Total lack of emotional care) and neglect. When social services went around to see the mother about her blindness, they found thirteen year old Genie (not her real name) to be undersized, still in nappies, unable to perform basic functions and was kept in her cot for half of the day or tied to a chair. The treatment was due to Genie's father's mental illness coupled with an unoffical diagnosis of Genie being mentally r e t a r d e d. (sorry, that's the term used)

Psychologists and physiotherapists worked with Genie for many years and eventually, she had grown to the size of a fourteen year old, could walk and was able of very little speech.

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Again, motor skills are achievable even with disabilities.

I find the behavoir of the parents intolerable and I feel so sorry for the doctor, to be honest.
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October 29th, 2007 at 08:45pm
lyrical_mess:
Its the equivalent of putting her in a coma
No Think What they did isn't the same as a coma.
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October 29th, 2007 at 08:45pm
Herr Doktor:


I find the behavoir of the parents intolerable and I feel so sorry for the doctor, to be honest.
..why? Think He agreed with and supported the procedure. he (actually, I think there was two doctors involved, so it may be a "they"Winkbasically pioneered this type of medical intervention.
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October 30th, 2007 at 06:57pm
Kurtni:
Herr Doktor:


I find the behavoir of the parents intolerable and I feel so sorry for the doctor, to be honest.
..why? Think He agreed with and supported the procedure. he (actually, I think there was two doctors involved, so it may be a "they"Winkbasically pioneered this type of medical intervention.
He was human. He felt guilt and he couldn't live with that.

Anyway, I have different opinions on stuff and people. I don't know why I feel sorry for him. I just do.

Just like I feel sorry for people who are racist or whatever. *shrugs* I don't get angry at people so often, just sad for them.
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October 30th, 2007 at 08:21pm
Herr Doktor:
Kurtni:
Herr Doktor:


I find the behavoir of the parents intolerable and I feel so sorry for the doctor, to be honest.
..why? Think He agreed with and supported the procedure. he (actually, I think there was two doctors involved, so it may be a "they"Winkbasically pioneered this type of medical intervention.
He was human. He felt guilt and he couldn't live with that.

Anyway, I have different opinions on stuff and people. I don't know why I feel sorry for him. I just do.

Just like I feel sorry for people who are racist or whatever. *shrugs* I don't get angry at people so often, just sad for them.

I just don't get why the parents are monsters, and the doctor gets sympathy when he feels the exact same way as them. Think

But it's your opinon, not mine. Coolio
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October 30th, 2007 at 08:44pm
Kurtni:

I just don't get why the parents are monsters, and the doctor gets sympathy when he feels the exact same way as them. Think

But it's your opinon, not mine. Coolio
I never actually said that they were monsters, just that they were intolerable. I mean, some monsters are very attractive, like Daleks or whatever. But you really do not want to go into that.

And, I cannot tolerate doctors or dentists or anything like that but I still go, even if I am almost in tears and shaking.
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October 31st, 2007 at 05:07pm
Herr Doktor:
They are acting as if the poor kid was an inconvience to them.

Psychologically speaking, she could pick up motor skills if given the chance.

(If tencho-bable makes you wince, look away NOW)

The medial temporal lobe - also known as the hippocampus - is the central point to short term memory. A famous case of a man who had his hippocampus removed to lessen the effects of his horrendous and life-threatening epiliptic fits (named only as Mr HM). This proved to eliminate his short-term memory. As long as his attention was on you, he could remember your name but if it doesn;t and his attention goes back onto you then he will remember it.

However, his previous Long Term memory was in perfect working order and since his short term memory capabilities were removed, he could no longer make long term memories so easily, as was shown when he used to think for years he was twenty-seven until eventually he realised this must be wrong so he guessed instead. This shows that a connection was made over a long period of time, in the neo-cortex (LTM).

However, again, his abilities were hindered only with explicit memories (being names, places, events). With implicit memories (i.e motor skills, physical processes that you are conscious of), this information is kept in the cerebellum. He was assigned a task to mirror-draw some basic shapes over a period of a month, to draw a series (and the same series of shapes) once a day. Normal participants will get better everyday and so Mr HM, even though he swore that it was the first time he had ever done that in his life. It shows that his implicit memory was perfectly intact and it was only the explicit memory he had problems with.

[/technobabble]

Therefore, it may take years but this girl could learn basic motor skills. This was also proven with the privation case of Genie.

[technobabble]

In LA, there was a famous case of a child who had been subject to very severe privation (Total lack of emotional care) and neglect. When social services went around to see the mother about her blindness, they found thirteen year old Genie (not her real name) to be undersized, still in nappies, unable to perform basic functions and was kept in her cot for half of the day or tied to a chair. The treatment was due to Genie's father's mental illness coupled with an unoffical diagnosis of Genie being mentally r e t a r d e d. (sorry, that's the term used)

Psychologists and physiotherapists worked with Genie for many years and eventually, she had grown to the size of a fourteen year old, could walk and was able of very little speech.

[/tenchobabble]

Again, motor skills are achievable even with disabilities.

I find the behavoir of the parents intolerable and I feel so sorry for the doctor, to be honest.


But the fact is, they reviewed the case with experts and specialists before deciding to operate. I'm not sure how expert these experts were but how many people would have their disable daughter reviewed by Random Joe? Hanyway, according to the articles, it was decided that her condition was stable. It would not get better or worse. She was already at the age of six unable to lift her head or even move much. She has the physical/mental abilities of a baby who is only a few weeks/months old.
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October 31st, 2007 at 06:02pm
lyrical_mess:

But the fact is, they reviewed the case with experts and specialists before deciding to operate. I'm not sure how expert these experts were but how many people would have their disable daughter reviewed by Random Joe? Hanyway, according to the articles, it was decided that her condition was stable. It would not get better or worse. She was already at the age of six unable to lift her head or even move much. She has the physical/mental abilities of a baby who is only a few weeks/months old.


But even so, if given training my psychologists and physiotheraptists, there is always a chance of improvement.
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October 31st, 2007 at 07:55pm
I'm pretty sure that in Ashley's case, the chance was like...0.05%
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October 31st, 2007 at 08:29pm
Herr Doktor:
lyrical_mess:

But the fact is, they reviewed the case with experts and specialists before deciding to operate. I'm not sure how expert these experts were but how many people would have their disable daughter reviewed by Random Joe? Hanyway, according to the articles, it was decided that her condition was stable. It would not get better or worse. She was already at the age of six unable to lift her head or even move much. She has the physical/mental abilities of a baby who is only a few weeks/months old.


But even so, if given training my psychologists and physiotheraptists, there is always a chance of improvement.

Why do you keep saying psychologists could help? Her disorder wasn't psychological. No amount of psychological therapy or treatment would have done anything; her problem was physical. She has static encephalopathy, meaning that her brain disorder will [b]never[b] improve; multiple professionals have diagnosed her with that, and physiotheraptists wouldn't be of any help either because physical therapy is used to reverse damage and maintain conditions. Ashley's brain wasn't damaged per say; it never developed. There is no damage to reverse, and no way to make her brain develop. Her brains motor skills and mental facilities have not developed in the last 9 years. From what I've read, some sections of her brain are not even all present so it honestly and truely is impossible to improve something that isn't there.
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November 2nd, 2007 at 06:21pm
Apart from finding an awesome song to sing about static encephalopathy (seriously), the term could actually be applied to any old thing like cerebral palsy, learning disabilities, mental retardation, autism, PDD, speech delays, attention deficits, hearing & vision impairments, oral motor problems...etc. It's mainly caused by foetal exposure to alcohol. In the article, they only gave her this as it would appear to have this suspended development.

In Ashley's case, yes, the child has very severe disabilities but the fact still remains that her human rights (as she is a human being) were violated. In the article, the doctors said no significant improvement but what, exactly, is significant? Even the slightest improvement would defy the incredibly broad term they have given her illness.

In either way, I still believe that it was wrong. The excuse of prevention of sexual abuse is pathetic. There are people who will still want to do stuff like that, regardless.

Even though she has the mental capacities of an infant, she is still aware and will have memories as infants will still have memories and will still learn things.

Also the fact that they call her 'Pillow Angel' really, really annoys me.
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November 2nd, 2007 at 07:13pm
Yeah, the "pillow angel" thing is sick. But its true. They further disabled her and I would rather watch my child grow at least physically.
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