US President elections 2008.

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May 24th, 2008 at 05:34pm
I know I should gtfo out of this thread but idk, I'm interested now Coolio

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Why? Because he wants to raise taxes and have National Healthcare. I'm not infavor of raising taxes and my parents explained what NH was. And after hearing what it's all about, I don't like it at all. It's sounds good, but it's definitely not.


Why is raising taxes even a bad thing?
Perhaps I'm biased, but yeah, I'd sooner vote for the party/candidate that was going to raise taxes than lower them.
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May 25th, 2008 at 04:13am
Bloodraine:
I know I should gtfo out of this thread but idk, I'm interested now Coolio

Shadow of a Doubt:
Why? Because he wants to raise taxes and have National Healthcare. I'm not infavor of raising taxes and my parents explained what NH was. And after hearing what it's all about, I don't like it at all. It's sounds good, but it's definitely not.


Why is raising taxes even a bad thing?
Perhaps I'm biased, but yeah, I'd sooner vote for the party/candidate that was going to raise taxes than lower them.


Raised taxes = you paying more. I don't know many people who want to pay more and then not know exactly where that extra bit of money is going into.

Although I'm not in favor of increasing taxes, I don't believe it when any of the candidates say they'll reduce it drastically. It's unrealistic especially at a time of economic trouble.
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May 25th, 2008 at 02:00pm
I don't have a problem with raising taxes as long as the money is going to a good place. Like universal health care and education. Sweden has higher taxes and their schools and heath care are completely free. Their literacy rate is virtually 100%.

I think that's something that everyone deserves. Good health and a good education.
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May 25th, 2008 at 07:05pm
Franny.:
Raised taxes = you paying more. I don't know many people who want to pay more and then not know exactly where that extra bit of money is going into.

Although I'm not in favor of increasing taxes, I don't believe it when any of the candidates say they'll reduce it drastically. It's unrealistic especially at a time of economic trouble.

Well, did I say that you wouldn't know 'exactly where that extra bit of money is going into'?
No. However, I do know a great many people who would want to pay more tax, and as a result, live in a society with better public services.

It is impossible and idealistic in the extreme to have both lower taxes and an increase in spending for the improvement of public services. I would much rather live in a society with progressive taxation that provides free health services and free education than have more money in my own back pocket.
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May 25th, 2008 at 11:37pm
Bloodraine:

No. However, I do know a great many people who would want to pay more tax, and as a result, live in a society with better public services.


*Raises hand* Faith I'm one of those people....

Seriously though, I'm sick of not being able to go to the doctor when I'm sick because we can't afford it. No
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May 26th, 2008 at 07:37am
I think Obama is a good choice cause he seems to care more about everybody.
I don't think Hillary will be a good choice and Idk why.
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May 26th, 2008 at 10:20am
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Seriously though, I'm sick of not being able to go to the doctor when I'm sick because we can't afford it. No
This is what I tell Americans when they tease me for being Canadian.
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May 27th, 2008 at 04:16am
Anji:
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Seriously though, I'm sick of not being able to go to the doctor when I'm sick because we can't afford it. No
This is what I tell Americans when they tease me for being Canadian.


Eh

Canadian pride (even though I'm unfortunately American)....

Puerto Rico, Montana, and South Dakota left. and all dudes who haven't like endorsed or whatever yet. Given their endorsement to someone???
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May 27th, 2008 at 08:22am
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Bloodraine:

No. However, I do know a great many people who would want to pay more tax, and as a result, live in a society with better public services.


*Raises hand* Faith I'm one of those people....

Seriously though, I'm sick of not being able to go to the doctor when I'm sick because we can't afford it. No
I know, seriously!! I haven't had health insurance since I graduated high school! I wasn't able to be covered on my parent's health insurance plan anymore. My mom was uninsured for a while, too because her job wouldn't give it to her. We live in a country where it is completely possible to give people the health care they need. But it doesn't happen.

And they won't sell any real medication over-the-counter. Only pain relievers and cough suppressants. Nothing that actually solves any problems.

My sister had to pay $400 a month, out of pocket, to have health insurance for her daughter through her job. That's just ridiculous. Especially since she was a single parent. She couldn't even afford child care which is why I was stuck babysitting her for free for two years while my sister was at work. Which meant I had no income. And no opportunity to get a job that offered health insurance. >_<
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May 27th, 2008 at 08:25am
Anji:
Who Stole My Pants?:
Seriously though, I'm sick of not being able to go to the doctor when I'm sick because we can't afford it. No
This is what I tell Americans when they tease me for being Canadian.
Canada is cool. Cool
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May 27th, 2008 at 03:26pm
^ Yeah. Up

On healthcare, does anybody know if Hillary planned on doing anything? Not that I would ever change who I support (because she's pretty much doomed) but I haven't heard much about it from her...>_>
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May 27th, 2008 at 08:10pm
Bloodraine:


Why is raising taxes even a bad thing?
Perhaps I'm biased, but yeah, I'd sooner vote for the party/candidate that was going to raise taxes than lower them.
I love how republicans (no offense meant to anyone, I'm being a stereotypical democrat tbh) like to bitch about how our health care is so awful and how over priced medication is... but as soon as someone mentions raising taxes to fix it, they immediately change their minds. It's ridiculous and that is why no valid health care reforms have been made in the US for the past 8 years.
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May 27th, 2008 at 10:06pm
I don't bitch about how health care is and I'm not for raising taxes. Yeah, medication is expensive and most of my family takes some kind of medication, but raising taxes is the last thing I want to do. I think we have insurance that pays for some of the medication, but I'm not sure. But my family doesn't complain about health care. Although my family don't get sick that often either.
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May 28th, 2008 at 03:03am
^ All depends on your personal situation, what you become. Dno
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May 28th, 2008 at 05:11am
In Utero:
The Change You Deserve". is already copyrighted by an antidepressant according to CNN
lmfao

Well, maybe they're sponsoring him, simply because if he wins most of America will have to get on anti-depressents to deal with the bleakness of our future lol.

Faith That was uncalled for, but I couldn't help myself.
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May 28th, 2008 at 05:14am
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In Utero:
The Change You Deserve". is already copyrighted by an antidepressant according to CNN
lmfao

Well, maybe they're sponsoring him, simply because if he wins most of America will have to get on anti-depressents to deal with the bleakness of our future lol.

Faith That was uncalled for, but I couldn't help myself.
lmfao
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May 28th, 2008 at 07:30am
Bloodraine:
Franny.:
Raised taxes = you paying more. I don't know many people who want to pay more and then not know exactly where that extra bit of money is going into.

Although I'm not in favor of increasing taxes, I don't believe it when any of the candidates say they'll reduce it drastically. It's unrealistic especially at a time of economic trouble.

Well, did I say that you wouldn't know 'exactly where that extra bit of money is going into'?
No. However, I do know a great many people who would want to pay more tax, and as a result, live in a society with better public services.

It is impossible and idealistic in the extreme to have both lower taxes and an increase in spending for the improvement of public services. I would much rather live in a society with progressive taxation that provides free health services and free education than have more money in my own back pocket.


I don't mean to be picking on your ideals and where you stand, but the bolded parts makes more sense together.

The majority of the States will not vote for a candidate who promises to raise taxes [that's why none of the candidates stand they way] and I apologize if you're offended by this because you're a small part of America who feels increased taxes is the way to go. It does make sense that the tax money goes into free health care and free education, but that's, to quote you, "impossible and idealistic".

For a long period of time, the government will be funding the war and/or the remnants of the war and will also be paying off the national debt. The democrats are promising better health care initiatives but again, like you said, "It is impossible and idealistic in the extreme to have both lower taxes and an increase in spending for the improvement of public services" and that is exactly what both Clinton and Obama are proposing.

As for McCain, I hate to sound cliche but he's just the third term for Bush. He won't be focusing on education [unless you think No Child Left Behind has worked well so far] nor will he make a viable health care plan.

Boost the economy and End the war are the mottos for all the campaigns [the latter not for McCain] so it doesn't seem possible to me that if any increased taxes were to happen that it would go into health care or education.
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May 28th, 2008 at 12:26pm
On healthcae, I hear Sicko is a good movie/documentary, however it is still loaded with already tiresome, somewhat un-needed Bush-bashing.

I am also quite interested in what Micheal Moore probably will make in light of these elections.
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May 28th, 2008 at 03:50pm
Anji:
however it is still loaded with already tiresome, somewhat un-needed Bush-bashing.
I think its quite needed in the case of health care. Coolio
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May 29th, 2008 at 04:54am
Kurtni:
Anji:
however it is still loaded with already tiresome, somewhat un-needed Bush-bashing.
I think its quite needed in the case of health care. Coolio
I think health care needs to be explained very plainly to the youth of America. Most of the people I've encountered, unless they have had some sort of medical experiance, are woefully ignorant of health care and whatnot. I think it would greatly influence the youth vote if they could understand health care policies fully.
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