US President elections 2008.

Kurtni:

Anji:

however it is still loaded with already tiresome, somewhat un-needed Bush-bashing.

I think its quite needed in the case of health care.

I understand that there is a certain amount of blame to pass, but the problem is, Micheal Moore does all the criticism and shys away from actually trying to get resolutions. Granted, at least he informs the public. I just don't want to watch two hours of criticism that I've already heard.

Franny.:

I don't mean to be picking on your ideals and where you stand, but the bolded parts makes more sense together.

The majority of the States will not vote for a candidate who promises to raise taxes [that's why none of the candidates stand they way] and I apologize if you're offended by this because you're a small part of America who feels increased taxes is the way to go. It does make sense that the tax money goes into free health care and free education, but that's, to quote you, "impossible and idealistic".

For a long period of time, the government will be funding the war and/or the remnants of the war and will also be paying off the national debt. The democrats are promising better health care initiatives but again, like you said, "It is impossible and idealistic in the extreme to have both lower taxes and an increase in spending for the improvement of public services" and that is exactly what both Clinton and Obama are proposing.

As for McCain, I hate to sound cliche but he's just the third term for Bush. He won't be focusing on education [unless you think No Child Left Behind has worked well so far] nor will he make a viable health care plan.

Boost the economy and End the war are the mottos for all the campaigns [the latter not for McCain] so it doesn't seem possible to me that if any increased taxes were to happen that it would go into health care or education.

I'm not a small part of America. I'm not a part of America at all - I'm British, and really quite proud to call myself so. (:

Perhaps my ideals seem inconceivable to you because I have spent the majority of life living under a Labour government which has raised taxes. To me, raising taxes is the only way to go. Our National Health Service has massively benefitted from it (did I mention that it is almost entirely free?) so, naturally, I do support it. I'm fully aware that my support for progressive taxation is probably because I am the product of a different society.

To be honest, I really don't understand what the Americans are thinking (and I know not all Americans think this) when they say they need better healthcare, yet people like you (I'm sorry, I don't mean to offend) don't support raising taxes for it. You get what you pay for, in my opinion. I don't know if it is selfishness, or what, but nobody can live in a better society without putting some financial committment towards it.

It is not impossible and idealistic to suggest that increased taxes will mean an increase in spending for healthcare and education - if that isn't the case, then I'm not sure what is happening in Britain, because we've managed it. How is it not possible? I just don't get it.


Tbh I'm probably pissing a lot of people off by posting in this thread because I really am no expert on American politics at all, although I'll be studying it next year. You're probably all thinking, 'wtf, so it's okay for you, being a smug British person with the NHS and all, but it won't work for America'. Well it won't work unless you put taxes towards it, obviously. And despite what Mr. Moore seems to think, the NHS isn't perfect, but it is better than nothing. I won't lie, it seems utterly inconceivable and alien to me, to think that there are some people in a civilised and enormously rich country like the USA who actually can't see a doctor when they're ill.

I know a lot of people will find my ideals and views on taxation and healthcare in general quite repulsive. They are, if you will allow me to say, a little bit socialist. But this is probably because I've looked at what an increase in taxes can do in my own country, and I like what I see. But if only a small part of American wants this - then okay, it is only fair that the majority wins.

...Hillary got Puerto Rico...but I don't think it really did her any good....

Bloodraine:

I'm not a small part of America. I'm not a part of America at all - I'm British, and really quite proud to call myself so. (:

Perhaps my ideals seem inconceivable to you because I have spent the majority of life living under a Labour government which has raised taxes. To me, raising taxes is the only way to go. Our National Health Service has massively benefitted from it (did I mention that it is almost entirely free?) so, naturally, I do support it. I'm fully aware that my support for progressive taxation is probably because I am the product of a different society.

To be honest, I really don't understand what the Americans are thinking (and I know not all Americans think this) when they say they need better healthcare, yet people like you (I'm sorry, I don't mean to offend) don't support raising taxes for it. You get what you pay for, in my opinion. I don't know if it is selfishness, or what, but nobody can live in a better society without putting some financial committment towards it.

It is not impossible and idealistic to suggest that increased taxes will mean an increase in spending for healthcare and education - if that isn't the case, then I'm not sure what is happening in Britain, because we've managed it. How is it not possible? I just don't get it.


Tbh I'm probably pissing a lot of people off by posting in this thread because I really am no expert on American politics at all, although I'll be studying it next year. You're probably all thinking, 'wtf, so it's okay for you, being a smug British person with the NHS and all, but it won't work for America'. Well it won't work unless you put taxes towards it, obviously. And despite what Mr. Moore seems to think, the NHS isn't perfect, but it is better than nothing. I won't lie, it seems utterly inconceivable and alien to me, to think that there are some people in a civilised and enormously rich country like the USA who actually can't see a doctor when they're ill.

I know a lot of people will find my ideals and views on taxation and healthcare in general quite repulsive. They are, if you will allow me to say, a little bit socialist. But this is probably because I've looked at what an increase in taxes can do in my own country, and I like what I see. But if only a small part of American wants this - then okay, it is only fair that the majority wins.

I agree. It is effing ridiculous that so many people in the US can't see a doctor or get any medications they need. Health care is way too expensive.

Yeah, I know people are going to have to pay off this shitty war for quite a while. But that doesn't mean we can't be putting money into health care, too. And hopefully we can get someone in office that will put some effort into ending the war soon and getting Iraq on their feet.

And we need someone to fix social security. Apparently we aren't allowed to see doctors or get old here.

Bloodraine:

To be honest, I really don't understand what the Americans are thinking (and I know not all Americans think this) when they say they need better healthcare, yet people like you (I'm sorry, I don't mean to offend) don't support raising taxes for it.

Hi, we're America and are currently under a very republican administration. Nothing we do will make any sense or be understood. God Bless the US and A.

sorry republicans.

Franny.:

It does make sense that the tax money goes into free health care and free education, but that's, to quote you, "impossible and idealistic".

But it's happening.... right now. It's hardly impossible.

Franny.:

"It is impossible and idealistic in the extreme to have both lower taxes and an increase in spending for the improvement of public services" and that is exactly what both Clinton and Obama are proposing.

You don't understand what they're proposing.

Franny.:

nor will he make a viable health care plan.

Something we agree on.

I don't like how every big contender for the White House is all about 'the Jesus'.

That would rule out me voting for them straight away. I guess there is a point to be made that no athiest is ever going to get elected by the majority, but even just not being all "BELIEF BITCHES!! " would be a start.

bjtp:

I don't like how every big contender for the White House is all about 'the Jesus'.

That would rule out me voting for them straight away. I guess there is a point to be made that no athiest is ever going to get elected by the majority, but even just not being all "BELIEF BITCHES!! " would be a start.

There is no way in hell anyone who is not some form of a Christian will win a major office election in America for at least the next 50 years. Hence why Courtney will never get to be a politician.

I heard on the news this morning that there are only two states left.
and that if Obama gets 30 more votes then it will be down to just McCaine and Obama,
and hillary will be out of the running.

Elmo has a gun:

I heard on the news this morning that there are only two states left.
and that if Obama gets 30 more votes then it will be down to just McCaine and Obama,
and hillary will be out of the running.

We all knew it would come down to this eventually. She just loves to be a colossal time waster. XD

Kurtni:

bjtp:

I don't like how every big contender for the White House is all about 'the Jesus'.

That would rule out me voting for them straight away. I guess there is a point to be made that no athiest is ever going to get elected by the majority, but even just not being all "BELIEF BITCHES!! " would be a start.

There is no way in hell anyone who is not some form of a Christian will win a major office election in America for at least the next 50 years. Hence why Courtney will never get to be a politician.

That's why politics are so fucked up, in my opinion. God has nothing to do with running a country, clearly, because if He did, we wouldn't be in the state we're in right now. Bush was all into religion and crap, but he has no fucking common sense. Religion shouldn't be brought into politics, because, to be honest, it doesn't represent us well as a country. Our citizens aren't all just about religion - we have smart, talented, resourceful citizens that could be leaders one day, if only we'd be a little more open minded. I wrote a blog on it. It makes me so mad. I just don't understand how the church and the Whitehouse should go hand-in-hand, except that they both want all our money.

k so Obama pretty much won

In Utero:

k so Obama pretty much won

Word

Kurtni:

In Utero:

k so Obama pretty much won

Word

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I love how CNN is saying things like "Obama is expected to say...[insert detailed quote here]" because it isn't official yet

Kurtni:

I love how CNN is saying things like "Obama is expected to say...[insert detailed quote here]" because it isn't official yet

Haha yeah I know. They were so wrong about Hillary. I knew this would happen! She lost but she still won't drop out. She's so crazy. I really hope he doesn't pick her to be vice. Everyone keeps saying it would be the dream ticket. I don't think so.

But I'm so excited!! I'm happy about this. lol.

Can we just like...you know...break out the keg now? I'm getting sick of waiting for the "official" word that he's won.

Now we have the actual electon to look for.(ward to?)

Who Stole My Pants?:

Can we just like...you know...break out the keg now? I'm getting sick of waiting for the "official" word that he's won.

Now we have the actual electon to look for.(ward to?)

He has officially won now. He gave his speech in St. Paul and everything.

Has Hillary backed out yet? God, I hope she doesnt do something crazy and run on an independent ticket or something O_O I think she's intelligent enough to see that will just make both of them lose.

No she hasn't backed out yet. I don't think so, anyway. She said she wasn't going to make any campaign decisions tonight. Even though she's CLEARLY lost. Which I figured would happen. She just won't let go. -_-

Kurtni:

Who Stole My Pants?:

Can we just like...you know...break out the keg now? I'm getting sick of waiting for the "official" word that he's won.

Now we have the actual electon to look for.(ward to?)

He has officially won now. He gave his speech in St. Paul and everything.

Has Hillary backed out yet? God, I hope she doesnt do something crazy and run on an independent ticket or something O_O I think she's intelligent enough to see that will just make both of them lose.

Oh yeah. I refreshed my yahoo and it was all Obama victory..or whatever

Although you would have thought her intelligence had told her to just quit months ago.

fancy pants:

No she hasn't backed out yet. I don't think so, anyway. She said she wasn't going to make any campaign decisions tonight. Even though she's CLEARLY lost. Which I figured would happen. She just won't let go. -_-

well actually think of it this way if she did back out tonight then news coverage is going to be all about that, she's a Clinton. Yet in waiting for the morning she's giving Obama the spotlight.