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December 5th, 2005 at 05:23pm
To what extent can Vietnam be described as an unjust war, when America invaded was it illegal, and should the American Government apologoise for the treatment of the Vietnamese villagers who were merely caught between the American soldiers and the NVA?
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December 5th, 2005 at 05:28pm
I think all wars are Unjust. Maybe i'm just being a little pacifistic but how anyone can justify the death of tens, hundreds, thousands of people is beyond me. Vietnam more than others, perhaps, was an Unjust war. Maybe it shouldn't have happened. I think it shouldn't have happened. But I wasn't there, it wasn't my descision, so I can really criticize it.
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December 5th, 2005 at 05:30pm
I think they should apologize, it was..well...rude!
Hehe.

It began as a civil war didn't it? I don't know a lot about this subject, but from what I've gathered. I believe America should have stayed completly out of it. They were trying to bring back either a unified nation, or two totally separate countries? So why did America feel the need to get involved?
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December 5th, 2005 at 05:31pm
Bloodraine:
I think all wars are Unjust. Maybe i'm just being a little pacifistic but how anyone can justify the death of tens, hundreds, thousands of people is beyond me. Vietnam more than others, perhaps, was an Unjust war. Maybe it shouldn't have happened. I think it shouldn't have happened. But I wasn't there, it wasn't my descision, so I can really criticize it.


Humans need to learn from their mistakes, it's up to the new generation to look back and critisise so they can come to a better decision if faced with a similar problem.
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December 5th, 2005 at 05:33pm
NeoSteph:
Bloodraine:
I think all wars are Unjust. Maybe i'm just being a little pacifistic but how anyone can justify the death of tens, hundreds, thousands of people is beyond me. Vietnam more than others, perhaps, was an Unjust war. Maybe it shouldn't have happened. I think it shouldn't have happened. But I wasn't there, it wasn't my descision, so I can really criticize it.


Humans need to learn from their mistakes, it's up to the new generation to look back and critisise so they can come to a better decision if faced with a similar problem.


Plus if there were no wars..there would be a lot less to learn in History. It would be no where near as interesting. As much as I disagree with war, I cannot dispute the fact that they're incredably interesting..to me at least.
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December 5th, 2005 at 05:37pm
...History hides the lies.....

........power-hungry selling soldiers in a human grocery store

wars go on with BRAINWASHED pride.......for love of God and human rights

,,,,,,,,look at the LIES we swallowed..........and I don't want to hear no more

....What's so CIVIL about WAR anyway?

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December 5th, 2005 at 05:39pm
Nine_Inch_Nails:
I think they should apologize, it was..well...rude!
Hehe.

It began as a civil war didn't it? I don't know a lot about this subject, but from what I've gathered. I believe America should have stayed completly out of it. They were trying to bring back either a unified nation, or two totally separate countries? So why did America feel the need to get involved?


America invaded Vietnam in hope of battling communism, in doing so they set up two states of Vietnam. South and North, the south was accepting and their was very little civil-unrest, but American troops didn;t have access to the North so when they started to invade, the vietnemese fought back, Technically the Americans were involving themselves in foreign affairs and went into forbidden territory which makes the war illegal.

What use to happen to villagers is that the NVA, would hide their weapons in the villagers homes, and would abuse them, thent he Americans would come along and believe the weapons to be the villagers and would arrest the men in the village for conspiring against the American army, and then torch the village. The villagers were innocent many were killed by troops and there has never been an apology for it.
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December 5th, 2005 at 05:45pm
NeoSteph:
Nine_Inch_Nails:
I think they should apologize, it was..well...rude!
Hehe.

It began as a civil war didn't it? I don't know a lot about this subject, but from what I've gathered. I believe America should have stayed completly out of it. They were trying to bring back either a unified nation, or two totally separate countries? So why did America feel the need to get involved?


America invaded Vietnam in hope of battling communism, in doing so they set up two states of Vietnam. South and North, the south was accepting and their was very little civil-unrest, but American troops didn;t have access to the North so when they started to invade, the vietnemese fought back, Technically the Americans were involving themselves in foreign affairs and went into forbidden territory which makes the war illegal.

What use to happen to villagers is that the NVA, would hide their weapons in the villagers homes, and would abuse them, thent he Americans would come along and believe the weapons to be the villagers and would arrest the men in the village for conspiring against the American army, and then torch the village. The villagers were innocent many were killed by troops and there has never been an apology for it.


That's awful!!
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December 5th, 2005 at 06:01pm
secondly would you believe Iraq to be this generations Vietnam.
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December 5th, 2005 at 06:16pm
i don't know enough about it to critize it
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December 5th, 2005 at 06:50pm
oxyMORON:
i don't know enough about it to critize it


Read NeoStephs post just above ^
Or google? Wink
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December 5th, 2005 at 07:38pm
Hippy-Faggot-Punk-Rocker:
...History hides the lies.....

........power-hungry selling soldiers in a human grocery store

wars go on with BRAINWASHED pride.......for love of God and human rights

,,,,,,,,look at the LIES we swallowed..........and I don't want to hear no more

....What's so CIVIL about WAR anyway?

H-F-P-R
Dead by Xmas

its our job as the FUTURE to uncover the LIES that history hides and judge OURSELVES by our own right and wrong so we dont make the same mistakes TWICE.
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December 5th, 2005 at 08:06pm
Everything about that war was totally pointless. We thought we'd be all big and bad by going in and trying to save them, but in all reality they weren't too bad off. Sure, it wasn't perfect, but no country is. Of course America owes an apology.
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October 23rd, 2006 at 07:49pm
I don't think it was all that bad for Australians to go help out our american allies. Korea is close to our country and the war could of spread to our country so we had a right to try and stop it before it did, we also should support our allies, so if america goes to war we should be right there with them helping them out and vice versa.
i think more people would have suffered and been killed if they hadn't gone over there because other wise it would probably still be going on today. with people just blowing things up and causing riots in the streets everywhere over there.

I as do all other australians support our soldiers that went over to vietnam, i mean we did put in place national days to remember them, ANZAC Day and Remeberance Day.

We didn't send that many people over there and we went over there to fight we knew what we were doing and noone objected then and there is nothing we can do about it now so we should just get over it and forget about it.
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October 23rd, 2006 at 08:30pm
Firstly the happy pessimist, Vietnam veterans were not supported upon there return to Australia from Vietnam. It was not until many years after the soldiers returned home from Vietnam that the official ‘Welcome Home Parade’ was held in Sydney on October the 3rd 1987, the war actually finished in 1975.

Secondly ANZAC Day is a day which marks the anniversary of the first major military action fought by Australian and New Zealand forces (the ANZACS) during the First World War, which was in 1914 when they landed at Gallipoli, and in 1916 this day was officially recognized as ANZAC day. Remembrance Day marks the day in which the armistice of the First World War ended the war on November the 11th in 1918, 4 years after it began. So clearly these days were not implemented to recognize the Vietnam Vet’s but rather the ANZAC corps involved in WW1.

In the years following the return of the Vietnam vets to Australia, they were shunned and offered no support including exclusion from these days and the RSL.
As for Australians supporting it, during this war Australia saw great protesting occur, the largest ever seen in the country objecting towards the war.

The Vietnam War was a conflict in which communist forces from the Democratic Republic of Vietnam (North Vietnam) and the National Front for the Liberation of South Vietnam (Viet Cong) fought against the anti-communist forces from the Republic of Vietnam, (South Vietnam) and its allies including USA, Australia, New Zealand, South Korea, Thailand and the Philippines.
Australia had 47000 people involved in the war, 3000 were wounded and almost 500 killed, many of whom; not even old enough to vote or drink, were made to go to war through the process of conscription.

While the actually reasoning of the war was not necessarily clear to all Australians many felt that it was not there place to be their but went because their counterparts (USA) went. The war was the longest Australia has fought in and it was a nasty war at that, if you bothered to do a quick google search before displaying your lack of knowledge on the topic you would have found some horrifying statistics, stories and pictures of those involved. Have you never seen that picture of the Vietnam girl aged something like 9 years old who was the victim of napalm.

I suggest you at least research the topic before you attempt to justify yourviews.


Personally, i believe that we were not necessarily in the right to go over there, but i cannot say that Vietnam would be any better if we didn't offer our assisstance. Secondly it is important that you stick with you allie countries which is what we did.

I think if Australians knew fully what they were fighting for and the conditions over their and the way the war would pan out they would have reconsidered. What i don't support is the way that the Vietnam Vet's were treated upon their return, whilst many didn't agree on them being imployed in Vietnam, they still went over their doing what was suppossed to be the best thing for Australia, therefore we should honour them, just as we do those involved in the two world wars.
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