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Boobmeister:

*Eat Tré`s Shoe*:

Boobmeister:

*Eat Tré`s Shoe*:

i think if you're like 30 you are mature enough to raise a child

there's more to raising a child than maturity.

i know that

then why excuse a 15 year old having an abortion but draw the line when someone hits 30?

*Eat Tré`s Shoe*:

cause when youre 15 you have your whole life ahead of you and when youre thirty your life has already started. 30 was a random age i said it. what im trying to say is i think you should have a legitimate reason to have an abortion.

i went with my friend when she got one and there was tons of older women in the waiting room laughing and having a grand time like it was no big deal. i think that's just wrong

Boobmeister:

*Eat Tré`s Shoe*:

cause when youre 15 you have your whole life ahead of you and when youre thirty your life has already started. 30 was a random age i said it. what im trying to say is i think you should have a legitimate reason to have an abortion.

i went with my friend when she got one and there was tons of older women in the waiting room laughing and having a grand time like it was no big deal. i think that's just wrong

i'm pretty sure that no one has an abortion just for fun; everyone has their own reason.

*Eat Tré`s Shoe*:

i didnt say they were having it for fun. i just think some people get it because they just don;t want the baby, but there are other things like adoption that they can give the baby to.

Boobmeister:

*Eat Tré`s Shoe*:

i didnt say they were having it for fun. i just think some people get it because they just don;t want the baby, but there are other things like adoption that they can give the baby to.

well of course they're having the abortion because they don't want the baby, why else would they have it?

some people have medical issues, financial issues, mental issues, family issues, etc. i don't understand why the younger generation is excused when women of "maturity" are looked down upon.

freakyfriday2011:

I'm definitely against abortion, unless the baby was going to be born with defects and would be dependent on others its entire life. There is no reason a parent should not be responsible for their actions. If you're going to have sex, you should accept the possibilty that you might end up with a baby.

Dustfinger:

freakyfriday2011:

I'm definitely against abortion, unless the baby was going to be born with defects and would be dependent on others its entire life. There is no reason a parent should not be responsible for their actions. If you're going to have sex, you should accept the possibilty that you might end up with a baby.

So it's your responsibility not to get raped and pregnant as a result of it?

Bleach:

Dustfinger:

freakyfriday2011:

I'm definitely against abortion, unless the baby was going to be born with defects and would be dependent on others its entire life. There is no reason a parent should not be responsible for their actions. If you're going to have sex, you should accept the possibilty that you might end up with a baby.

So it's your responsibility not to get raped and pregnant as a result of it?

She meant have sex by choice, obviously.

Bleach:

Dustfinger:

freakyfriday2011:

I'm definitely against abortion, unless the baby was going to be born with defects and would be dependent on others its entire life. There is no reason a parent should not be responsible for their actions. If you're going to have sex, you should accept the possibilty that you might end up with a baby.

So it's your responsibility not to get raped and pregnant as a result of it?

She meant have sex by choice, obviously.

Dustfinger:

Bleach:

Dustfinger:

freakyfriday2011:

I'm definitely against abortion, unless the baby was going to be born with defects and would be dependent on others its entire life. There is no reason a parent should not be responsible for their actions. If you're going to have sex, you should accept the possibilty that you might end up with a baby.

So it's your responsibility not to get raped and pregnant as a result of it?

She meant have sex by choice, obviously.

I know, obviously. I was just pointing out that all sex doesn't happen by choice. Pregnancy as a result of rape is traumatic, physically and emotionally. Especially if the girl is young, like 12 or 13, childbirth can be damaging and dangerous on their small bodies. And what if its not just some random guy who raped her? What if it's a family member, which is quite common? That would be so unthinkable, giving birth to your uncle/father/cousin/brother's baby, All i;m saying is girls should be given the choice to avoid that sort of horrible situation.

kirstinlette:

Dustfinger:

Bleach:

Dustfinger:

freakyfriday2011:

I'm definitely against abortion, unless the baby was going to be born with defects and would be dependent on others its entire life. There is no reason a parent should not be responsible for their actions. If you're going to have sex, you should accept the possibilty that you might end up with a baby.

So it's your responsibility not to get raped and pregnant as a result of it?

She meant have sex by choice, obviously.

I know, obviously. I was just pointing out that all sex doesn't happen by choice. Pregnancy as a result of rape is traumatic, physically and emotionally. Especially if the girl is young, like 12 or 13, childbirth can be damaging and dangerous on their small bodies. And what if its not just some random guy who raped her? What if it's a family member, which is quite common? That would be so unthinkable, giving birth to your uncle/father/cousin/brother's baby, All i;m saying is girls should be given the choice to avoid that sort of horrible situation.

Abortion is murder, because life starts at the moment of conception.
Having an abortion is murdering an innocent child, whether it's father is a womanizer and it's mother a slut, or it's mother a 12 year old and it's father the girl's father's uncle's son's brother's sister's aunt's second cousin twice removed. Who the parents are does not change the fact that the baby has a right to live. It is very unfortunate that 12 and 13 year old girls are being raped and pretty much forced to become pregnant... I don't dare say anything with more of a feeling than that because I have never been in that situation. And yes, the girl might die during child birth. But what's the difference between the death of a semi-matured girl and the death of a child that hasn't left the womb?
And who's to say that having an abortion wouldn't have as much of a negative effect as giving birth t a family member's child?

ocean avenue:

kirstinlette:

Abortion is murder, because life starts at the moment of conception.
Having an abortion is murdering an innocent child, whether it's father is a womanizer and it's mother a slut, or it's mother a 12 year old and it's father the girl's father's uncle's son's brother's sister's aunt's second cousin twice removed. Who the parents are does not change the fact that the baby has a right to live. It is very unfortunate that 12 and 13 year old girls are being raped and pretty much forced to become pregnant... I don't dare say anything with more of a feeling than that because I have never been in that situation. And yes, the girl might die during child birth. But what's the difference between the death of a semi-matured girl and the death of a child that hasn't left the womb?
And who's to say that having an abortion wouldn't have as much of a negative effect as giving birth t a family member's child?

I get what you're saying. Really. I do understand where you're coming from.And I do not support abortion as a contraceptive or as a "security" or whatever. But I just know that I, personally, would rather have a child I know I could take care of, than have a child I was raped to get. I would definitely get an abortion if I was raped, esp. because, yeah the child could be loved by its fosterparents, but I would feel so bad if I had a child from rape, either from a stranger or someone I know, also because I would know my entire life that there was someone who was a consequence from this horrible experience I had. I would also hate to walk around for 9 months with evidence that I was raped, to give up a child I didn't have on purpose.

I support you fully, though, when it comes to consensual sex, it's your own responsibility to use condoms/the Pill/whatever, if you know you're not ready to have a child.

kirstinlette:

Abortion is murder, because life starts at the moment of conception.
Having an abortion is murdering an innocent child, whether it's father is a womanizer and [b]it's mother a slut[/i], or it's mother a 12 year old and it's father the girl's father's uncle's son's brother's sister's aunt's second cousin twice removed. Who the parents are does not change the fact that the baby has a right to live. It is very unfortunate that 12 and 13 year old girls are being raped and pretty much forced to become pregnant... I don't dare say anything with more of a feeling than that because I have never been in that situation. And yes, the girl might die during child birth. But what's the difference between the death of a semi-matured girl and the death of a child that hasn't left the womb?
And who's to say that having an abortion wouldn't have as much of a negative effect as giving birth t a family member's child?

Bloodraine:

kirstinlette:

Abortion is murder, because life starts at the moment of conception.
Having an abortion is murdering an innocent child, whether it's father is a womanizer and [b]it's mother a slut[/i], or it's mother a 12 year old and it's father the girl's father's uncle's son's brother's sister's aunt's second cousin twice removed. Who the parents are does not change the fact that the baby has a right to live. It is very unfortunate that 12 and 13 year old girls are being raped and pretty much forced to become pregnant... I don't dare say anything with more of a feeling than that because I have never been in that situation. And yes, the girl might die during child birth. But what's the difference between the death of a semi-matured girl and the death of a child that hasn't left the womb?
And who's to say that having an abortion wouldn't have as much of a negative effect as giving birth t a family member's child?

It's times like these when I wonder if feminism actually achieved anything. Ugh.

Operatic Skeleton:

kirstinlette:

But what's the difference between the death of a semi-matured girl and the death of a child that hasn't left the womb?

Maybe the fact that her death will have an impact upon people. Her friends, family and loved ones would notice her gone, however noone would notice something that was never there in the first place.

A young girl should not die in the process of giving birth to a child that she would never get to see or take care of anyway (assuming she would want to since she'd probably resent it as it is the child of a rapist) Why should people who get pregnant have to pay for a rapists sins?

It's almost like saying if you get raped and get a curable STD. Should you keep it because the situation was forced upon you, no of course not, you would get treatment. If we are going by the whole 'life begins at conception' then surely an STD has the right to live as well? It's made up of living cells.

I honestly can't belive that people still don't think a women should be able to decide if she wants to keep her baby or not. Especially when she was raped and people still won't consider that reason enough for an abortion - it's insane.

Getting raped is a terrible enough ordeal as it is, without the thought of having the rapists baby.