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June 18th, 2006 at 02:41pm
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Which is why most cannibal are pyschologically insane.

And who decides that?
How can we judge what goes on inside another person's mind, and deem it to be 'insane' or 'wrong' or 'not of sound mind'.

Just because a person (cannibal or not) goes against a specific rule or law of society, we drag them out and call them insane.

How can we, as 'sane' people, as humans, judge a person and their actions based on our set of values?. (I think I need to credit Kitti for that phrase).

Maybe we're the insane ones.


you just ignored most of my post Shocked Crying or Very sad god dammit i was scientific for once *huffs*

it's funny how you say our values, because that exactly why we judge, our values of the human race is what keeps law and order someone with a mental health defect such as cannibilism, is a danger to society, and most cannibals in the soiceity we know are those who commits of unseen acts search as murder and rape.

Cannibilism happens when humans have a disregard for their own species meaning they have lost their social compass, in most cases they have lost the will to love, ans see people as humans, they lose that neurological advance that humans have, which does make them animalistic which to humans is insane.

Now if someone went skydiving and people called them insane for it, I would believe in your argument, but when the topic is more serious I would say as Human we have a moral obligation to the rest of society to judgeif we showed indifference, peopel with treatables mental health defects would go untreated and those with defect dangerous to themselves as in the case of the man who wanted to test a large portion of his own flesh and dangerous to those around him/her. and there are many many many examples of serial kilelrs for instance that ate their victims flesh.
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June 18th, 2006 at 02:46pm
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you just ignored most of my post Shocked Crying or Very sad god dammit i was scientific for once *huffs*

it's funny how you say our values, because that exactly why we judge, our values of the human race is what keeps law and order someone with a mental health defect such as cannibilism, is a danger to society, and most cannibals in the soiceity we know are those who commits of unseen acts search as murder and rape.

Cannibilism happens when humans have a disregard for their own species meaning they have lost their social compass, in most cases they have lost the will to love, ans see people as humans, they lose that neurological advance that humans have, which does make them animalistic which to humans is insane.

Now if someone went skydiving and people called them insane for it, I would believe in your argument, but when the topic is more serious I would say as Human we have a moral obligation to the rest of society to judge if we showed indifference, peopel with treatables mental health defects would go untreated and those with defect dangerous to themselves as in the case of the man who wanted to test a large portion of his own flesh and dangerous to those around him/her. and there are many many many examples of serial kilelrs for instance that ate their victims flesh.

Continuing on a similar note lifted staright from the necrophilia thread, we seem to be ignoring the scenario that if a person wants to be eaten and a person is willing to eat them, why is that wrong?. Insane?.

Its like sex. If two people consent, its okay. If one doesn't, its rape.
Cannibalism. If two people consent, is it okay?. If one doesn't, then its either murder or tampering with a corpse, whichever state the person is in.
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June 18th, 2006 at 02:53pm
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you just ignored most of my post Shocked Crying or Very sad god dammit i was scientific for once *huffs*

it's funny how you say our values, because that exactly why we judge, our values of the human race is what keeps law and order someone with a mental health defect such as cannibilism, is a danger to society, and most cannibals in the soiceity we know are those who commits of unseen acts search as murder and rape.

Cannibilism happens when humans have a disregard for their own species meaning they have lost their social compass, in most cases they have lost the will to love, ans see people as humans, they lose that neurological advance that humans have, which does make them animalistic which to humans is insane.

Now if someone went skydiving and people called them insane for it, I would believe in your argument, but when the topic is more serious I would say as Human we have a moral obligation to the rest of society to judge if we showed indifference, peopel with treatables mental health defects would go untreated and those with defect dangerous to themselves as in the case of the man who wanted to test a large portion of his own flesh and dangerous to those around him/her. and there are many many many examples of serial kilelrs for instance that ate their victims flesh.

Continuing on a similar note lifted staright from the necrophilia thread, we seem to be ignoring the scenario that if a person wants to be eaten and a person is willing to eat them, why is that wrong?. Insane?.

Its like sex. If two people consent, its okay. If one doesn't, its rape.
Cannibalism. If two people consent, is it okay?. If one doesn't, then its either murder or tampering with a corpse, whichever state the person is in.


your missing the point for a person to want to do this in the first place it means that they have lost a part of what makes us people instead of humans, to want to eat a human shows no sign of social compass the fact that someone allowed themselves to be eaten is insignificant, their still carrying out an act that is dangerous to themselves, and you must have misunderstood my first post. Although i do believe cannibilism to be an mental health problem, My main point was that it also causes mental health defects because of blood cells going to the brain or soemthing (yep my scientific understand just went out the window again)

and witht he necrophilia, necro's reasonings are completely different to cannibilist on a pyschological scale, so cannot compare the two.

theirs a big difference between wanting to fuck a corpse and eat it (ok thats was vulgar but i couldn't help it)
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June 18th, 2006 at 02:56pm
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theirs a big difference between wanting to fuck a corpse and eat it (ok thats was vulgar but i couldn't help it)

...well depends on what kind of eating you're refering too.....


sorry, I had too
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June 18th, 2006 at 02:58pm
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theirs a big difference between wanting to fuck a corpse and eat it (ok thats was vulgar but i couldn't help it)

...well depends on what kind of eating you're refering too.....


sorry, I had too


I was going to change 'eat' to 'consume' but realise you would find the same meaning in that DAMN YOU MAKING FUN OF MY SYNICAL REMARKS.

*stops spamming*
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June 18th, 2006 at 03:03pm
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your missing the point for a person to want to do this in the first place it means that they have lost a part of what makes us people instead of humans, to want to eat a human shows no sign of social compass the fact that someone allowed themselves to be eaten is insignificant, their still carrying out an act that is dangerous to themselves, and you must have misunderstood my first post. Although i do believe cannibilism to be an mental health problem, My main point was that it also causes mental health defects because of blood cells going to the brain or soemthing (yep my scientific understand just went out the window again)

and witht he necrophilia, necro's reasonings are completely different to cannibilist on a pyschological scale, so cannot compare the two.

theirs a big difference between wanting to fuck a corpse and eat it (ok thats was vulgar but i couldn't help it)

Lets put it this way.
Cannibalism is wrong because scientifically, it has been proven so. And yes, the only reason that actually matters here. Morals, humaity, society, that doesn't even have a bearing here. Those values are so variable and questionable they don't even count. I cannot believe you two have both been concentrating the majority of your arguments at me based on moral reasons and 'soceity', thats so easy to exploit lmfao

If you'd have both concentrated on the scientific arguments from the off, I wouldn't have had any combacks for you. XD

Necrophilia and Cannibalsm are more alike than you'd think. They're both incredibly similar to one another (not in the actual act but in the debate surrounding it).
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June 18th, 2006 at 03:18pm
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your missing the point for a person to want to do this in the first place it means that they have lost a part of what makes us people instead of humans, to want to eat a human shows no sign of social compass the fact that someone allowed themselves to be eaten is insignificant, their still carrying out an act that is dangerous to themselves, and you must have misunderstood my first post. Although i do believe cannibilism to be an mental health problem, My main point was that it also causes mental health defects because of blood cells going to the brain or soemthing (yep my scientific understand just went out the window again)

and witht he necrophilia, necro's reasonings are completely different to cannibilist on a pyschological scale, so cannot compare the two.

theirs a big difference between wanting to fuck a corpse and eat it (ok thats was vulgar but i couldn't help it)

Lets put it this way.
Cannibalism is wrong because scientifically, it has been proven so. And yes, the only reason that actually matters here. Morals, humaity, society, that doesn't even have a bearing here. Those values are so variable and questionable they don't even count. I cannot believe you two have both been concentrating the majority of your arguments at me based on moral reasons and 'soceity', thats so easy to exploit lmfao

If you'd have both concentrated on the scientific arguments from the off, I wouldn't have had any combacks for you. XD

Necrophilia and Cannibalsm are more alike than you'd think. They're both incredibly similar to one another (not in the actual act but in the debate surrounding it).


Rolling Eyes Meg I made my first post on the issue that cannibilism CAUSES mental health, but you conveintly did not pick up on it, so please do not insult my intelligence by saying that my argument is foolhardy.

science is not always more imortant than social issues and definitly not as important as Humanity, seeing at thats the basis for everything. and no it's not the only actual reason that matters thats your PERSONAL opinion on it, which does not make it fact. Morals are questionable, yet science which is on the otherside of the spectrum apparently isn't according to your post, when the whole basis of science is to Question, so the fact you think my comments are meaningless because I see the morals of soceity as more important than science is jaded.

Your pigeon holing two very different problems, their might be similarities but they are on completely differenent scales, differing from parental issues to power structure.
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June 18th, 2006 at 03:40pm
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Rolling Eyes Meg I made my first post on the issue that cannibilism CAUSES mental health, but you conveintly did not pick up on it, so please do not insult my intelligence by saying that my argument is foolhardy.

science is not always more imortant than social issues and definitly not as important as Humanity, seeing at thats the basis for everything. and no it's not the only actual reason that matters thats your PERSONAL opinion on it, which does not make it fact. Morals are questionable, yet science which is on the otherside of the spectrum apparently isn't according to your post, when the whole basis of science is to Question, so the fact you think my comments are meaningless because I see the morals of soceity as more important than science is jaded.

Your pigeon holing two very different problems, their might be similarities but they are on completely differenent scales, differing from parental issues to power structure.

Do you by chance have a link that cites why cannibalism causes mental problems?. I haven't ever actually read a real article on that subject.

On to society/morals/etc vs science. Science gives a real reason why cannbalism isn't good, and the only reason society gives is that 'it goes against it'. I seem to remember asking repectedly why this was, but I got no answer from anyone. Science is the only thing with real, actual evidence here, the only thing with basis for fact. Yet you base your argument on society and morals, and societies are so different and variable the world over, from less developed, what we would probably deem 'wrong' societies in more undeveloped countries to well developed, educated western ones. So, what if one society does consider cannibalism right?. You know, certain types of people consume a placenta after a child is born, that is actually (scientifically) proven to be cannibalism, because you're eating a part of a human. Yes there is also a lot of (scientific) evidence to say that isn't wrong. They use it in chinese medicine.

And don't even get me started on morals, which, as I have said, vary from person to person. There are 6.5 billion+ people in the world, we cannot fairly represent all those variables and morals so that is unreasonable to say 'this is immoral' and 'this is not imorral'.
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June 18th, 2006 at 03:53pm
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Do you by chance have a link that cites why cannibalism causes mental problems?. I haven't ever actually read a real article on that subject.

On to society/morals/etc vs science. Science gives a real reason why cannbalism isn't good, and the only reason society gives is that 'it goes against it'. I seem to remember asking repectedly why this was, but I got no answer from anyone. Science is the only thing with real, actual evidence here, the only thing with basis for fact. Yet you base your argument on society and morals, and societies are so different and variable the world over, from less developed, what we would probably deem 'wrong' societies in more undeveloped countries to well developed, educated western ones. So, what if one society does consider cannibalism right?. You know, certain types of people consume a placenta after a child is born, that is actually (scientifically) proven to be cannibalism, because you're eating a part of a human. Yes there is also a lot of (scientific) evidence to say that isn't wrong. They use it in chinese medicine.

And don't even get me started on morals, which, as I have said, vary from person to person. There are 6.5 billion+ people in the world, we cannot fairly represent all those variables and morals so that is unreasonable to say 'this is immoral' and 'this is not imorral'.


Then explain to me why a murder should be punished? How can science prove murder is wrong? I believe that it is wrong to take anther humans life, but thats just my morals, evidently the murder felt differently. Why should a rapist be punished? I think Rape is one of the sickest crimes there is, evidently a rapist doesnt agree. Should a terrorist be punished, the only reason we see them as terrorists is because of our moral values. I think Child pornography is wrong and exploits children, but those are just my values, so does that mean it's ok for children to be treated like that. Some people commit racist hate crimes, because of their moral values, but mine disagree, who is right and who is wrong there?

Society is based on Moral Values, everything, Without them, we wouldnt be a society, we would still be cavemen.
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June 18th, 2006 at 04:01pm
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Then explain to me why a murder should be punished? How can science prove murder is wrong?

Tell me where I said murder.
I said cannibalism, as in cannibalism of corpse, as in eating a body after death. I didn't say the consumer had to have any part in death.

Murder and eating someone (AFTER they are dead) are two totally different crimes.
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June 18th, 2006 at 04:15pm
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Then explain to me why a murder should be punished? How can science prove murder is wrong?

Tell me where I said murder.
I said cannibalism, as in cannibalism of corpse, as in eating a body after death. I didn't say the consumer had to have any part in death.

Murder and eating someone (AFTER they are dead) are two totally different crimes.
Yeah, great, thanks for ignoring the rest of my post Wink

You just judged yourself that those are crimes, based on your moral values.
If you would have read it, I never said cannabalism was murder in that post, I asked why we could punish them. Same for rape, Child Pornography, terrorists, and Hate crimes. What gives us the right to say those things are wrong?
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June 18th, 2006 at 04:21pm
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Then explain to me why a murder should be punished? How can science prove murder is wrong?

Tell me where I said murder.
I said cannibalism, as in cannibalism of corpse, as in eating a body after death. I didn't say the consumer had to have any part in death.

Murder and eating someone (AFTER they are dead) are two totally different crimes.
Yeah, great, thanks for ignoring the rest of my post Wink
If you would have read it, I never said cannabalism was murder in that post, I asked why we could punish them. Same for rape, Child Pornography, terrorists, and Hate crimes. What gives us the right to say those things are wrong?

To be honest, I ignored the rest of your post because everyone does it in here. Sometimes you get sick of saying the same thing over and over again. I'm pretty sure you've ignored plenty of mine in the past...

So, yeah, to save me quoting, I'll just say. As you said, morals are variable, you seem to be agreeing with me on that. Whose morals do we trust, then?. And why?
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June 18th, 2006 at 04:35pm
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Then explain to me why a murder should be punished? How can science prove murder is wrong?

Tell me where I said murder.
I said cannibalism, as in cannibalism of corpse, as in eating a body after death. I didn't say the consumer had to have any part in death.

Murder and eating someone (AFTER they are dead) are two totally different crimes.
Yeah, great, thanks for ignoring the rest of my post Wink
If you would have read it, I never said cannabalism was murder in that post, I asked why we could punish them. Same for rape, Child Pornography, terrorists, and Hate crimes. What gives us the right to say those things are wrong?

To be honest, I ignored the rest of your post because everyone does it in here. Sometimes you get sick of saying the same thing over and over again. I'm pretty sure you've ignored plenty of mine in the past...

So, yeah, to save me quoting, I'll just say. As you said, morals are variable, you seem to be agreeing with me on that. Whose morals do we trust, then?. And why?

Im not agreeing with you at all, Im saying soceity is based on Morals and you're saying we can't use them, that science is what we should use! Are you ever reading your posts? I was asking you why it's not ok for people to do something, and others are ok. Seeing as how you never read what I say anyways, I'll answer. MORALS.VALUES. Thats exactly why. Why do we think murder is wrong? Becuase of morals. Why is Rape considered a crime? Because of values. Why is Cannibalism wrong? Because of morals and values that say it isnt right to harm another persons body. Unless you're in the Sixth sense and can talk to dead people, you don't know if they want you to eat them or not.
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June 18th, 2006 at 04:42pm
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Im not agreeing with you at all

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I believe that it is wrong to take anther humans life, but thats just my morals, evidently the murder felt differently.

Isn't that what i've been saying for a while now?. You and a murderer have different morals. Variable morals. So, we agree on that, we comprehend that different people have different morals.

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Im saying soceity is based on Morals and you're saying we can't use them, that science is what we should use! Are you ever reading your posts? I was asking you why it's not ok for people to do something, and others are ok. Seeing as how you never read what I say anyways, I'll answer. MORALS.VALUES. Thats exactly why. Why do we think murder is wrong? Becuase of morals. Why is Rape considered a crime? Because of values. Why is Cannibalism wrong? Because of morals and values that say it isnt right to harm another persons body. Unless you're in the Sixth sense and can talk to dead people, you don't know if they want you to eat them or not.


Whose morals? Whose values?. Everyone has different values, morals. Whose do we choose?. Why?. I just said that, and you ignored the question.

And...you might not be aware that it isn't about having a 'sixth sense', people can consent to being eaten like the man in this thread title did.
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June 18th, 2006 at 04:52pm
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Im not agreeing with you at all

I_worship_tre_Cool:
I believe that it is wrong to take anther humans life, but thats just my morals, evidently the murder felt differently.

Isn't that what i've been saying for a while now?. You and a murderer have different morals. Variable morals. So, we agree on that, we comprehend that different people have different morals.

I_worship_tre_Cool:
Im saying soceity is based on Morals and you're saying we can't use them, that science is what we should use! Are you ever reading your posts? I was asking you why it's not ok for people to do something, and others are ok. Seeing as how you never read what I say anyways, I'll answer. MORALS.VALUES. Thats exactly why. Why do we think murder is wrong? Becuase of morals. Why is Rape considered a crime? Because of values. Why is Cannibalism wrong? Because of morals and values that say it isnt right to harm another persons body. Unless you're in the Sixth sense and can talk to dead people, you don't know if they want you to eat them or not.


Whose morals? Whose values?. Everyone has different values, morals. Whose do we choose?. Why?. I just said that, and you ignored the question.

And...you might not be aware that it isn't about having a 'sixth sense', people can consent to being eaten like the man in this thread title did.
Ok, well what if he changed his mind before he died and no one knew? Once your dead, you can't give consent unless it is written down and legally documented, like you do when you donate organs.

Whose Morals should we use? The ones that don't allow other peoples morals to be affected. everyone should be entitled to feel how they wish until it affects someone elses ability to feel as they wish. When you murder someone, you take away their right to think for themselves and have morals of their own. When you rape someone, you're harming them and taking away their freedom. Everyone should have the same rights and be able to feel how they want about issues, until it affects someone else and their ability to have opinions and morals, because thats limiting their freedom.
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June 18th, 2006 at 04:54pm
ewwww this is pretty mingin and Canabilism is wrong in my oppinion it should be made illeagal in all countrys !!!! Smile
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June 18th, 2006 at 04:59pm
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Ok, well what if he changed his mind before he died and no one knew? Once your dead, you can't give consent unless it is written down and legally documented, like you do when you donate organs.

Whose Morals should we use? The ones that don't allow other peoples morals to be affected. everyone should be entitled to feel how they wish until it affects someone elses ability to feel as they wish. When you murder someone, you take away their right to think for themselves and have morals of their own. When you rape someone, you're harming them and taking away their freedom. Everyone should have the same rights and be able to feel how they want about issues, until it affects someone else and their ability to have opinions and morals, because thats limiting their freedom.

Finally. See, it took god-knows-how many posts to reach a sensible conclusion on morals. Plus, if you want to be cannibalised and you have it properly documented, I won't stand in your way. If you want to have your heart donated, and you have it properly documented, fine.

And to summarise:

Cannibalism is wrong, because science has evidence to prove this. Now, you can't really argue with that.

Cannibalism cannot be deemed 'wrong', absolutely, judging by morals, because that totally disregards the opinions of people (both parties) who engage in it. It'd be like saying rape is okay because rapists say so, not taking into account the mindset of a non-rapist.

Morals aren't set in stone. They're too variable, and when you have science to show cannibalism is wrong, you've got an alternative. Try to understand why that real, scientific evidence is better, right?
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June 18th, 2006 at 05:01pm
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ewwww this is pretty mingin and Canabilism is wrong in my oppinion it should be made illeagal in all countrys !!!! Smile

At the risk of...provoking something, why is cannibalism wrong?
(this question is directed at you. If anyone else answers, i'm just going to ignor it. sorry.)
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June 18th, 2006 at 11:35pm
that's crazy!
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that's crazy!
How so?
I think it's crazy that people eat plants, because vegetation can't defend itself or give consent to be eaten.
But people can. So why is it crazy to eat humans when we eat plants already?
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