Shrooms

iViva la Andrea!:

Well apparently I've never been prescribed anything in my whole life. Good to know.

Don't patronize me. I've already expressed a small amount of the experiences I've had and I have studied the subject extensively. There's a difference between never seeing a doctor again and being the happy, normal, drugged up stereotype the world is becoming.

I don't care if it's prescription or not, if the only thing you've got to give you hope is a pill you are showing a HUGE symptom of a horrible and devestating disease that NEVER goes away and you should seek help. If you can't find happiness anywhere other than a pill, that is NOT something that should be excused or encouraged. And don't tell me I don't understand unless you take a look inside my mind and recognize the life crippling depression I've been battling for the past 10+ years. Without relying on a colorful pill to make me happy for a few hours. Handing somebody a pill is not helping them. It never helped me and it's done way more harm than good with every single one of the people I've seen go through treatment for any kind of depression. Drugging somebody is not taking care of the problem.

THe LAST thing they prescribe? You walk into a doctors office and they've got books all over the place explaining the wonders of drugs. The pens have logos from drug company A and the pads of paper have logos from drug company B. The last thing? I'm not sure where you go to the doctor or what kind of psychological clinics you've toured, but every drug from a to b is advertised and glorified.

We DO live in a society that glorifies drugs- both legal and illegal. We live in a culture where it's more rare to NOT be on prescription drugs, regardless of your age, to be on them.

You are actually a complete and utter moron. I don't get why people are actually bothering to respond to your banal and downright idiotic ramblings. Do you actually believe what you're typing or are you simply looking for an argument to provoke and provoke and drive everyone else as insane as you?

Well anyway, you see that little button in the top right of your screen that says "Log Out"? Utilise it. Immediately. You're being offensive and not furthering the debate about 'shrooms. So stop posting.

iViva la Andrea!:

BLAH BLAH BLAH

girl you clearly know jack shit so why are you still trying

Ikarus:

You keep saying seek help. From who? A doctor? And I wonder what they would do..

Any good drug treatment specialist wouldn't give a patient drugs. I can't really picture somebody walking into rehab and having a doctor hand them a few bottles of pills. If that were to happen, the place would be shut down.

Before anybody asks me how I feel about prescription drugs for people who have deadly diseases again, PLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASE read my previous posts. I'm not going to keep repeating myself because people can only be bothered to read what they disagree with.

I don't live in the UK. I don't know the culture in the UK. That's not what I'm talking about, but I don't know why people are saying that I don't know what I'm talking about. People who say that the culture here isn't what it is are living in intense denial. If you don't know the culture here, fine, but I do, so people can stop acting like I don't.

The word "society" is not defined as every single living organism. People who try to stop the problem are not a part of the problem. Not sure how you got that theory, but it doesn't really make any sense.

Also, I like how I'm a "moron" for not furthering the debate about shrooms when I'm the one talking about recreational drugs and everybody else is going on the assumption that I'm saying people who can physically not survive without some form of medication are addicts. If people would actually read the words that I have written maybe I would stop needing to repeat myself.

If I know nothing- why does research back up what I'm saying? If I know nothing and people are wasting their time replying- why are you replying to me?

In the United States, the general feeling is that if there is anything that anybody deems wrong with anybody else, that person should be drugged. Recovered drug addicts are prescribed OxyContin and Percocet and doctors pretend that won't put the patient in any danger of a relapse (*coughDJAMcough*). Children who are nowhere near fully developed are given 3 different kinds of drugs because they "aren't right." Doctors paychecks come straight from drug companies so that they'll keep prescribing the drugs. The chances of somebody leaving a doctors office without at least one prescription are slim to none at best.
How people can say that ISN'T a culture that encourages and excuses NON-ESSENTIAL drug use is mind-boggling to me.
If that's not the culture elsewhere, awesome. I hope it isn't. It shouldn't be so anywhere. Nowhere on the planet, except maybe hospitals,

Before anybody responds, please go back through and read the words that I have written. There's no need for Bloodraine to keep defending what I've already agreed with. There's no need for anybody to keep defending what I've already agreed with, actually.

Jay Tee:

I don't get why people are actually bothering to respond to your banal and downright idiotic ramblings.

Well, you responded, so ask yourself "why" and then you'll have your answer. There we go.

the point i was making is that you were saying "we live in a society" as if EVERYONE lives in this society. it's a very westernised point of view and you should have made it clearer you were talking about the US. i made clear the differences between in the UK so you could see that the way america works is not the way we work.

also, i never mentioned anything about non essential drugs. it's all fair and well that YOU can function without prescription drugs, great for you, but others can't. walk a mile in their shoes before telling them they have a problem.

Like you asked I went back through your posts (a couple at least) and so now I'm relying

iViva la Andrea!:

Before anybody asks me how I feel about prescription drugs for people who have deadly diseases again,

iViva la Andrea!:

I'm the one talking about recreational drugs and everybody else is going on the assumption that I'm saying people who can physically not survive without some form of medication are addicts.

Well that would be because you said this:

iViva la Andrea!:

If a person "needs" any drug to function and feel like they have any semblance of control, they are a severe addict and should seek help. If somebody feels like they cannot function like a normal human being without taking a hit or a sip, that is a sign of a VERY severe and deadly disease, and should not be used as a justification and should not excuse somebody harming themselves.

So which is it?

iViva la Andrea!:

If I know nothing- why does research back up what I'm saying? If I know nothing and people are wasting their time replying- why are you replying to me?

You've presented no research, show us some. Links to a website anything. But don't claim there is research and then not show .

Also you've said you don't want to repeat yourself more times than I care to count, we get the point. Please stop saying it, it's mildly annoying.

iViva la Andrea!:

Jay Tee:

I don't get why people are actually bothering to respond to your banal and downright idiotic ramblings.

Well, you responded, so ask yourself "why" and then you'll have your answer. There we go.

I am not responding to your argument, I'm merely informing you that you are a moron.

And who gets to decide what "normal" is? Parents? Peers? Teachers? The government? Surgeons? Pediatricians? Nurses? Police officers? Who?

I haven't mentioned the media much, actually, have I mentioned it at all? Boobmeister made a few quick mentions of it in her posts. Other than that, yeah, it hasn't been brought up.

I also never said nothing is wrong. In fact, I'm highlighting what I, and many others, consider a serious problem that most people choose to ignore.

I'm not talking about the reasons people get said prescriptions filled, I'm talking about why doctors write them up in the first place. Obviously it's not 100% of the time, but if a company was paying you thousands of dollars to recommend to somebody who trusts you that they use that product, wouldn't you be more likely to recommend it? Very few people wouldn't be swayed.

It's very sad that so many people cannot see that human beings can be "okay" without drugs (and because I know people are going to attack me for saying something I didn't say, I'll clarify that I'm not talking about Bloodraine here or my aunt who died of cancer- again, think before you tell me to walk a mile in another persons shoes when you have NO IDEA what I've been through) and that the idea that people need pills to be "okay" (your words, not mine) is perpetuated.

I really wish people would start reading before they pretend to know what I believe, or before they say I believe things I have actually blatantly said I don't believe. Go figure.

Then stop asking me to repeat myself.

There's a reason I clarified what I meant when I said "any drug." Considering this is a topic about a recreational drug, people sure seem to be into making the discussion about life threatening physical diseases. Shrooms don't cure cancer, you know?

Research as in the classes I've taken on the subject, the many books I've read on it- go to a library, that's where I do a lot of my research.

iViva la Andrea!:

If a person "needs" any drug to function and feel like they have any semblance of control, they are a severe addict and should seek help.

this is what i meant when i said "walk a mile in someone shoes." you do not know what they are going through, what personal demons they have etc. in the greatest respects, your aunt dying of cancer has nothing to do with the point i'm making.

iViva la Andrea!:

There's a reason I clarified what I meant when I said "any drug." Considering this is a topic about a recreational drug, people

Then why are you harping on about doctors?

LUCIFER IS COMING:

iViva la Andrea!:

And who gets to decide what "normal" is? Parents? Peers? Teachers? The government? Surgeons? Pediatricians? Nurses? Police officers? Who?

I haven't mentioned the media much, actually, have I mentioned it at all? Boobmeister made a few quick mentions of it in her posts. Other than that, yeah, it hasn't been brought up.

I also never said nothing is wrong. In fact, I'm highlighting what I, and many others, consider a serious problem that most people choose to ignore.

I'm not talking about the reasons people get said prescriptions filled, I'm talking about why doctors write them up in the first place. Obviously it's not 100% of the time, but if a company was paying you thousands of dollars to recommend to somebody who trusts you that they use that product, wouldn't you be more likely to recommend it? Very few people wouldn't be swayed.

It's very sad that so many people cannot see that human beings can be "okay" without drugs (and because I know people are going to attack me for saying something I didn't say, I'll clarify that I'm not talking about Bloodraine here or my aunt who died of cancer- again, think before you tell me to walk a mile in another persons shoes when you have NO IDEA what I've been through) and that the idea that people need pills to be "okay" (your words, not mine) is perpetuated.

No, I will decide what is normal for me. Waking up and wanting to commit suicide is not normal behaviour for me or for anyone. People who feel like this need to take medication to BE OKAY to make it through the day. Without taking these pills it is running the risk of losing a life that could have been saved.

And to your other argument what you are saying is ridiculous. Doctors write up prescriptions to cure or manage ailments. THE END. They don't think 'oh hey, this person has nothing wrong with them but i'll prescribe them with something anyway'.

Have you ever been inside a U.S. doctors office? Everything in those offices is a gift from a prescription company. Drug companies sign the paychecks of doctors in the United States. 10 year old children don't need to be on drugs because they haven't developed fully yet.

I fail to see how living around a pill is a saved life. I'm not going to bother clarifying what I mean because people on here seem to enjoy ignoring my clarifications.

Comrade182:

iViva la Andrea!:

There's a reason I clarified what I meant when I said "any drug." Considering this is a topic about a recreational drug, people

Then why are you harping on about doctors?

Because I'm responding to the points people are making?
God forbid?

Way to completely ignore the point I was making. Thanks.

iViva la Andrea!:

Have you ever been inside a U.S. doctors office? Everything in those offices is a gift from a prescription company. Drug companies sign the paychecks of doctors in the United States. 10 year old children don't need to be on drugs because they haven't developed fully yet.

I fail to see how living around a pill is a saved life. I'm not going to bother clarifying what I mean because people on here seem to enjoy ignoring my clarifications.

Then if the child is 10 and being taken to a doctors, isn't it the parents fault for asking for help with a child and then THEM buying the medication for the child and making the child take it.

Thats a very, very narrow minded point of view. I would much rather have to take a couple of pills a day then die well before my time, as I'm sure most other people are.

But again... you've brought doctors into it

Alright, I'm done. Do your happy dances now. I'm not gonna waste my time typing points that are being ignored and twisted. I'm not going to be attacked and insulted and treated like an inhumane cunt because I don't agree that everyone who has a minor problem should be drugged. I won't apologize for disagreeing and having my own opinion, though.

Enjoy your pills, everyone. Peace.

iViva la Andrea!:

Have you ever been inside a U.S. doctors office?

OBV NOT

congrats for assuming we're all on drugs \o/

iViva la Andrea!:

Because I'm responding to the points people are making?
God forbid?

Way to completely ignore the point I was making. Thanks.

But you just said it's not about prescription drugs, you ment illegal and recreational drugs. Which (last time I checked at least) aren't from a doctors!!!

Make your mind up, if you don't want to talk about prescription drugs, don't answer this post, or any other which says about them!

iViva la Andrea!:

Enjoy your pills, everyone. Peace.

yeah too far. well done.

iViva la Andrea!:

Enjoy your pills, everyone. Peace.

Enjoy being h4xsxe and I hope you manage to keep that up if and when you actually become ill at some point in your life.