Suicide and self harm!

CristhyneS:

What I think is that *most* people isn't thinking straight in the moment when they take the pills/cut their wrists/blow their brains out/jump off a building/whatever.
A lot of people (difference from everybody) who kill themselves are not aware, in that moment, that they do have another options. Maybe if the same person who killed herself in this minute, had decide to instead go to sleep and see what happen tomorrow, tomorrow she would realize about other options that she didn't think of at that moment. This is not everyone's case though, and I'm fuly aware of that.

For some people the only thing they can do is wait, whether it is for a naturla death, or for something to change. And when they get tired of waiting they decide to kill themselves. They were fully aware of their options but they made a decision, and that's alright.


I hope I'm explaining myself a little bit better this time about this whole thing.

You were never explaining yourself badly, I just don't agree with you. I believe the majority of people who commit suicide are perfectly sane and it's a stupid stereotype that they arent. What you just described as most people is a text book description of suicide. and its far from accurate. Suicidal people arent oblivious idiots, they know they can choose to go on living, thats always another option, and they don't want to, simply put. Suicide is much too complicated to make an assumption like that, every one is different.

CristhyneS:

And now, have you not noticed people who is seriously considering suicide always thinks that all the people around them would be better off without them

Trust me, sometimes that's actually true.

Faith:

CristhyneS:

And now, have you not noticed people who is seriously considering suicide always thinks that all the people around them would be better off without them

Trust me, sometimes that's actually true.

Fair point.

My standing on suicide is all depending on the person. I don't think people who want to commit suicide are not in their right mind or anything like that, but I do think that sometimes their thoughts are not ones they would have otherwise.
Some people just need to sleep on it and they're fine, but others have these thoughts and feelings often, and in my experience, the feelings of guilt that they may have are deserved.

One thing I really don't like, is suicide attempts or self-harmers that do it for attention. There are so many better ways to get attention, but I guess they are looking for pity.

^agreed

I've serouly tired killing myself!
I only cut now but I've really tried killing myself:'(
I'm depressed because of my family,my mom like"Do you wanna die nad leave eveyone else behind??"

Me"yea!"

her"Well,we don't to die we'll miss you"

I know she waz acting
I just wanna die.
I've almost actually killed my self by ODing and cutting one of my vain on my wrist.

Call Me When You're Sober:

I've serouly tired killing myself!
I only cut now but I've really tried killing myself:'(
I'm depressed because of my family,my mom like"Do you wanna die nad leave eveyone else behind??"

Me"yea!"

her"Well,we don't to die we'll miss you"

I know she waz acting
I just wanna die.
I've almost actually killed my self by ODing and cutting one of my vain on my wrist.

So, is life that depressing that you want to die? What in your life is so terribly awful that makes you want to take the easy way out? You won't feel any relief from dying, you'll just be dead. That means you close off any opportunities of improving what is happening around you.

I'm sorry I'm just not in the mood for suicidal tendencies when there are people who don't want to die, and have to anyway.

Misanthropist:

Call Me When You're Sober:

I've serouly tired killing myself!
I only cut now but I've really tried killing myself:'(
I'm depressed because of my family,my mom like"Do you wanna die nad leave eveyone else behind??"

Me"yea!"

her"Well,we don't to die we'll miss you"

I know she waz acting
I just wanna die.
I've almost actually killed my self by ODing and cutting one of my vain on my wrist.

So, is life that depressing that you want to die? What in your life is so terribly awful that makes you want to take the easy way out? You won't feel any relief from dying, you'll just be dead. That means you close off any opportunities of improving what is happening around you.

I'm sorry I'm just not in the mood for suicidal tendencies when there are people who don't want to die, and have to anyway.

you dumbshit (forgive the salutation)
people don't say, "I'm sad, I should kill myself"
it's a lot deeper than that with most suicidals (I'm not sure about this one because I don't know her)
and it's awkward how much I can identify with her, I've tried twice (first time slitting a wrist, second time ODing) and I failed (obviously) both times

it's a LOT more complex than you'll ever understand
but you don't win anyone over by saying, "quit bitching about your problems you selfish drama queen"

that's like Catholics trying to convert people by saying, "God hates you and your sentence is eternal hell you horrible evil piece of slime"

spill_no_sick:

Misanthropist:

Call Me When You're Sober:

I've serouly tired killing myself!
I only cut now but I've really tried killing myself:'(
I'm depressed because of my family,my mom like"Do you wanna die nad leave eveyone else behind??"

Me"yea!"

her"Well,we don't to die we'll miss you"

I know she waz acting
I just wanna die.
I've almost actually killed my self by ODing and cutting one of my vain on my wrist.

So, is life that depressing that you want to die? What in your life is so terribly awful that makes you want to take the easy way out? You won't feel any relief from dying, you'll just be dead. That means you close off any opportunities of improving what is happening around you.

I'm sorry I'm just not in the mood for suicidal tendencies when there are people who don't want to die, and have to anyway.

you dumbshit (forgive the salutation)
people don't say, "I'm sad, I should kill myself"
it's a lot deeper than that with most suicidals (I'm not sure about this one because I don't know her)
and it's awkward how much I can identify with her, I've tried twice (first time slitting a wrist, second time ODing) and I failed (obviously) both times

it's a LOT more complex than you'll ever understand
but you don't win anyone over by saying, "quit bitching about your problems you selfish drama queen"

that's like Catholics trying to convert people by saying, "God hates you and your sentence is eternal hell you horrible evil piece of slime"

I'm not saying it's not complex. I'm saying that her problems were not explained at didn't seem serious to me. I've known people to be suicidal and they certainly didn't seem as flippant as her. As you said, I don't know her but my assumption is that it wasn't very serious. I wasn't in any way saying "quote bitching about your problems you selfish drama queen" but if that's how you chose to read it then good for you. Unlike the both of you, I don't understand fully suicide because I've never contemplated it seriously. But, when people talk about it like "her"Well, we don't to die we'll miss you"

I know she waz acting
I just wanna die." I don't take it seriously. Perhaps if she presented the problem a little better. There are people seriously depressed, and people who are too hasty in these thoughts.
If it offended you, I'm sorry but you distorted what I was saying.

depression is a chemical unbalance in the brain. you dont have control over what youre thinking. i have been through multiple phases of depression, i have self-harmed and considered suicide many times. it just happens and theres nothing you can do to stop it. btw, what happened to the original thread?? lol

BillieStoleMyVirginity:

it just happens and theres nothing you can do to stop it. btw, what happened to the original thread?? lol

There is things you can do about it. you can talk to people, Teachers, Counselors, social workers. Just about anyone your trust or you could go to your doctor and ask about it. S/he could put you on some sort of medication.

....This has always been the original thread..well, Since I've been here o_O

Over-Rated:

[There is things you can do about it. you can talk to people, Teachers, Counselors, social workers. Just about anyone your trust or you could go to your doctor and ask about it. S/he could put you on some sort of medication.

Yeah, you talk to people you trust, but eventually they get tired of your depression and suicidalness. If you're lucky - they leave you. If not - they accuse you of lying, say that you never actually tried to kill yourself, that your depression is only an attention-seeking move, and then they publically accuse you of being a bully and making people's lives hell, then they make shit up about you to make everyone around hate you for something that's not even true. It helps so much, you know.

Just live in pain, hate yourself, and die alone. After all, it's better to leave people wondering why you died than being glad that you're finally gone.

I can see both points of the arguement.

For me...death is perpectual serenity. I'm not ready for that yet...but I have often thought about it since I was too young to understand fully.

I have these urges too...jumping in front of trains, jumping off bridges, taking too many pills...

It's haunting really.

It really is.

There's only really one reason I've bothered to stay alive...once that's gone...you can guess...I suppose....

I know how it feels when you think there is only one reason why you should stay alive; but if you think hard enough, there's always more.
Family / friends? GSB?

Natalie.:

I know how it feels when you think there is only one reason why you should stay alive; but if you think hard enough, there's always more.
Family / friends? GSB?

Families can be the cause of it...

Joan of Arc of Suburbia:

Natalie.:

I know how it feels when you think there is only one reason why you should stay alive; but if you think hard enough, there's always more.
Family / friends? GSB?

Families can be the cause of it...

So can friends...and GSB.
Just about any reasons to live can be or turn into a reasons to die.

Faith:

Joan of Arc of Suburbia:

Natalie.:

I know how it feels when you think there is only one reason why you should stay alive; but if you think hard enough, there's always more.
Family / friends? GSB?

Families can be the cause of it...

So can friends...and GSB.
Just about any reasons to live can be or turn into a reasons to die.

True...
Very true.

Misanthropist:

spill_no_sick:

Misanthropist:

Call Me When You're Sober:

I've serouly tired killing myself!
I only cut now but I've really tried killing myself:'(
I'm depressed because of my family,my mom like"Do you wanna die nad leave eveyone else behind??"

Me"yea!"

her"Well,we don't to die we'll miss you"

I know she waz acting
I just wanna die.
I've almost actually killed my self by ODing and cutting one of my vain on my wrist.

So, is life that depressing that you want to die? What in your life is so terribly awful that makes you want to take the easy way out? You won't feel any relief from dying, you'll just be dead. That means you close off any opportunities of improving what is happening around you.

I'm sorry I'm just not in the mood for suicidal tendencies when there are people who don't want to die, and have to anyway.

you dumbshit (forgive the salutation)
people don't say, "I'm sad, I should kill myself"
it's a lot deeper than that with most suicidals (I'm not sure about this one because I don't know her)
and it's awkward how much I can identify with her, I've tried twice (first time slitting a wrist, second time ODing) and I failed (obviously) both times

it's a LOT more complex than you'll ever understand
but you don't win anyone over by saying, "quit bitching about your problems you selfish drama queen"

that's like Catholics trying to convert people by saying, "God hates you and your sentence is eternal hell you horrible evil piece of slime"

I'm not saying it's not complex. I'm saying that her problems were not explained at didn't seem serious to me. I've known people to be suicidal and they certainly didn't seem as flippant as her. As you said, I don't know her but my assumption is that it wasn't very serious. I wasn't in any way saying "quote bitching about your problems you selfish drama queen" but if that's how you chose to read it then good for you. Unlike the both of you, I don't understand fully suicide because I've never contemplated it seriously. But, when people talk about it like "her"Well, we don't to die we'll miss you"

I know she waz acting
I just wanna die." I don't take it seriously. Perhaps if she presented the problem a little better. There are people seriously depressed, and people who are too hasty in these thoughts.
If it offended you, I'm sorry but you distorted what I was saying.

I'm not distorting, I just said be more open minded
and "I just want to die" is very much what a suicidal would say
though the suicidal is complex, the things they say are eirily simple

I've probably had the thought "I hate myself, and I want to die" go through my head more than any other thought, and though the reasons have thousands of layers and reasons....the thought was simple

spill_no_sick:

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spill_no_sick:

it's a LOT more complex than you'll ever understand
but you don't win anyone over by saying, "quit bitching about your problems you selfish drama queen"

that's like Catholics trying to convert people by saying, "God hates you and your sentence is eternal hell you horrible evil piece of slime"

I'm not distorting, I just said be more open minded
and "I just want to die" is very much what a suicidal would say
though the suicidal is complex, the things they say are eirily simple

I've probably had the thought "I hate myself, and I want to die" go through my head more than any other thought, and though the reasons have thousands of layers and reasons....the thought was simple

Okay, well, I just think that you kind of made what I said seem worse than it actually was. I don't know the individual I talked to, but with out any of her reasons expressed (and I know that's a personal, and sometimes hard to talk about thing) her post to me didn't seem serious. That doesn't mean what I said was my generalization of everyone who has suicidal thoughts.
And I like to think of myself as open minded already, maybe just not knowledgable about the way the human mind works. "I just want to die" wasn't what I pinpointed, it was the fact that it seemed her mother said she shouldn't want that, and she said she knew she was acting. I was just trying to bring across that that wasn't true, and that dying doesn't bring relief and just closes everything off. I didn't mean for my wording to be sloppy or judgemental.

I think depression is starting to turn into more of something people push themselves into believe. They think about it so much, they end up making themselves believe they're depressed.

I'm a weird bi-polar type person. I can be happy and laughing and a few second later, I'll want to kill myself. It doesn't take much for some people to just snap. Any problem at all can be a huge push no matter the size.

I cut. I don't hide it and I don't flaunt it. At first it was to get my parents to stop fighting, forget the divorce, and actually pay attention to me, but they failed to notice and I just did it to make myself forget my problems in life.

My friends have taken it as me just trying to an emo and teachers don't really care where I live. The asking help thing doesn't work if people around you don't care. Docter's not an option when you're having finacial problems and the health insurance is nothing but a far off dream.

So, sometimes there's nothing to help solve the problem. Some people don't have the resources, ignore their problem, or just give up all together. If you can help, the help someone, but pushing to hard can sometimes be bad.

Just Nod & Smile:

I think depression is starting to turn into more of something people push themselves into believe. They think about it so much, they end up making themselves believe they're depressed.

I agree so much with that.

I agree because I've seen it happen. It didn't happen with me.. it was already there, but me dwelling on it made it worse. But I've seen so many other people wishing it on themselves.. or making themselves they believe it's something they have, and then it turns into something they really do have.

So anytime one of my friends starts showing signs of that, I always try to help them out if straight away, because I know I don't want them to suffer from anything like this ._.