Same sex marriages!

PanicOfBeliever:

A question is though, are you born Gay? Or is it formed over time? If one can prove you can be born gay they can prove that it is natural, otherwise, it is a disfunction.

some people are born gay, some form over time from sexual abuse

in any way, it is not a disfunction
I do think it's cool that you have a fresh veiw on things from the other people here and I look forward to that in other topics

but still, try proofreading, I know some people will take offence to you calling homosexuality a disfunction

PanicOfBeliever:

Yeah its cruel because you know the gays thatget attacked? They're going to get attacked to - The child.

Even if science doesnt dictate the human brain it does dictate what SHOULD happen. People whoare gay are not of the norm,because there is something wrong with their body, I.e they have too much testosterone , (Males too mucgh of male, female vice versa) therefore making them gay.

That is not normal, that is not right, science dictates that people SHOULD in normality, be straight.

Gays do not attack the Normal people because they know they are not of nature, they are not right, they are not normal.

And Yeah, I cant stop them being Gay, like I can't stop autism, aids, or other disnormallities, but I can protest to inflicting themselves on a naive child.

they have done several test and none link testosterone or estrogen to homosexualty
they haven't even linked Klinefelter's to homosexuality yet so hormones are way off

they have linked sexual abuse to it and that is all so far....some scientists make crazy statements with no circumstancial evidence and you shouldn't trust them

spill_no_sick:

PanicOfBeliever:

Yeah its cruel because you know the gays thatget attacked? They're going to get attacked to - The child.

Even if science doesnt dictate the human brain it does dictate what SHOULD happen. People whoare gay are not of the norm,because there is something wrong with their body, I.e they have too much testosterone , (Males too mucgh of male, female vice versa) therefore making them gay.

That is not normal, that is not right, science dictates that people SHOULD in normality, be straight.

Gays do not attack the Normal people because they know they are not of nature, they are not right, they are not normal.

And Yeah, I cant stop them being Gay, like I can't stop autism, aids, or other disnormallities, but I can protest to inflicting themselves on a naive child.

they have done several test and none link testosterone or estrogen to homosexualty
they haven't even linked Klinefelter's to homosexuality yet so hormones are way off

they have linked sexual abuse to it and that is all so far....some scientists make crazy statements with no circumstancial evidence and you shouldn't trust them

Scientists will say anything for a big enough grant. They live a great deal on the fact that others are interested in what they have to say and what they know--if nobody cares or agrees with them, then they get none of that moola-moola.

Black Rose Silver Moon:

Hmm. It depends.
I don't have a problem with them getting actually married, but to do it in a Church, is that not going against God?
Contradict me if I'm wrong of course.

i get what your saying, cause i guess religiously its not right..i dont really care whether gay people want to marry, i dont know anyone whos gay, so it really doesnt affect me and i also dont really care

Black Rose Silver Moon:

Hmm. It depends.
I don't have a problem with them getting actually married, but to do it in a Church, is that not going against God?
Contradict me if I'm wrong of course.

Well in earlier years yes it would have been thought that they were going against God but that was when the church thought that people chose to be gay but now most of the church accepts that people are born gay but of course there is still the ones who will say being gay is a sin. So the church is divided on the subject.

Incubus:

Black Rose Silver Moon:

Hmm. It depends.
I don't have a problem with them getting actually married, but to do it in a Church, is that not going against God?
Contradict me if I'm wrong of course.

Well in earlier years yes it would have been thought that they were going against God but that was when the church thought that people chose to be gay but now most of the church accepts that people are born gay but of course there is still the ones who will say being gay is a sin. So the church is divided on the subject.

The church is divided on very nearly every point. Not that that's bad, certainly, it allows for a degree of diversity. But it doesn't exactly get anything done.

PanicOfBeliever:

A question is though, are you born Gay? Or is it formed over time? If one can prove you can be born gay they can prove that it is natural, otherwise, it is a disfunction.

I believe if you're homosexual it was always there. Not born with it per se.
And it sure as hell isn't a "disfunction" either way. Kthx.

*bumps* ok so it was on page 7 not page 8

Homosexuals are like everyone else.

I'm against them. I know the whole lecture about them being people, too, and I'm not disagreeing with that. But you've got to cross the line somewhere. I don't really care if they date (as long as they keep it in the closet), but I don't think they should be able to adopt or get married. To me, it's just morally wrong. It even says it in the Bible.

ixlovexbilliexjoe:

I'm against them. I know the whole lecture about them being people, too, and I'm not disagreeing with that. But you've got to cross the line somewhere. I don't really care if they date (as long as they keep it in the closet), but I don't think they should be able to adopt or get married. To me, it's just morally wrong. It even says it in the Bible.

but how do you know it's something that they choose?

abnormalone2002:

ixlovexbilliexjoe:

I'm against them. I know the whole lecture about them being people, too, and I'm not disagreeing with that. But you've got to cross the line somewhere. I don't really care if they date (as long as they keep it in the closet), but I don't think they should be able to adopt or get married. To me, it's just morally wrong. It even says it in the Bible.

but how do you know it's something that they choose?

better yet, why is it morally wrong, and according to the bible? Not all people follow or believe in the bible. If yolook back in this thread there have been comments on the bible and its 'inaccuracies'. (for lack of a better word) Why do gay people have to keep it in the closet? Dont they have every right to show their love like a you do, through marriage, children or anything else?

ixlovexbilliexjoe:

I'm against them. I know the whole lecture about them being people, too, and I'm not disagreeing with that. But you've got to cross the line somewhere. I don't really care if they date (as long as they keep it in the closet), but I don't think they should be able to adopt or get married. To me, it's just morally wrong. It even says it in the Bible.

Trust me no homosexual is going to get to keep their relationship in the closet just because of you and your little book.

I'm against the term marriage.

marriage is a religious commitment between two individuals and god and seeing as the bible is against same sex relations i think people should respect that, christianity does not favor homosexuals and it's unfair to critisise them for that because there following their religion. The government has no right to tell a church what they can or can't do (within reason)

howeve i have no problem with civil-partnerships, which offer homosexuals all the same rights as married couples.

It depends, some priests are for homosexual marriages. A group of 19 priests here in Quebec sent a letter to the Vatican to tell them to loosen their views on abortion, contraception, but the subject the most asked for was same sex marriage. If a priest has no problems with that, I think he should be allowed to celebrate an homosexual marriage.

By the way, can homosexuals get married in churches here in Canada? Or just civil unions?

I think that it is right, i mean who are we to judge two people falling in love, if they are in love i dont see the problem with them getting married, they love eachother just as much as a same sex couple, so why not give them the same rights

greendayjunkie:

I think that it is right, i mean who are we to judge two people falling in love, if they are in love i dont see the problem with them getting married, they love eachother just as much as a same sex couple, so why not give them the same rights

NeoSteph:

marriage is a religious commitment between two individuals and god and seeing as the bible is against same sex relations i think people should respect that, christianity does not favor homosexuals and it's unfair to critisise them for that because there following their religion.

I dont have a problem with homosexual couples getting married. I am a Christian so you'd probably think i'm against gay couples but it's their choice and if they feel right with each other thats all that matters. I dont know about the adopting children thing though, because I realise that most couples would be really caring and love the kids but that kid would probably get bullied and they would have to grow up quickly and they would probably get confused and upset.

Bloodraine is right in my opinion because I know loads of gay people and they are the same as any other person who's straight except they prefer the same sex.So I hate it when people over react to gay people.=[ Makes me sad.

The word normal is overrated but I’m gonna use it anyway to make at least some sense. If being gay was the “right” and normal thing all spices would have died out since homosexuals don’t reproduce. Conclusion: heterosexuality is normal. There are gay animals and so on, yes, but if nature intended all species to be homosexual then homosexuals would be able to reproduce somehow. Therefore being straight is normal. If you are indeed born homosexual it must be natural but it can’t be the norm. I find it hard to believe you’re born that way though. I would love to know which gene makes a person homosexual and how it’s inherited. Really fascinating. Also I would love to know how it evolved. How it mutated. Yes, I did write mutated, since a lot human qualities are mutations. I guess it must be recessive? Which means that you have to inherit that gene from both parents? (like blue eyes for example).

I’m not stating that it’s wrong to be homosexual nor am I saying the opposite. I’m not the one to judge.

I’m not sure about this whole marriage thing. Is it really that much to be fighting over? On one hand we have the ones who are against it and on the other hand we have the ones who are pro. To me it seems like they can’t or won’t understand the other side’s point of view. Gay people may want to get married. So why shouldn’t they? Some persons think that is wrong because of (for example) religion. So why won’t the gay people accept that and skip the title “married”. If they could get the same privileges as a heterosexual couple without actually getting married they should be happy, right? And the others would be fine too. If they could just be able to get married in a church the same way as a man and a woman they could get what they want. The others just have to accept.

A bunch of contradictions? Yes, it’s the view on the whole thing from both sides. I don’t think any side would like to “give up” or compromise. The problem is that a lot of people on both sides are too narrow-minded. I do acknowledge that a compromise can leave both sides unhappy. But it can also make both sides content with the agreement. The communication really needs to be a lot better.

I’m not sure if they should adopt either. I think they can be just as loving as parents but I don’t know how such a childhood would affect the child. In our ignorant world it would get bullied. Children get bullied all the time to so that may not be the best argument. Also the thing about a girl needing a mother and a boy needing a father is interesting. They do not actually need a mother and a father but a mother- and father figure in their lives. My mother knew a girl who grew up with only her dad. She freaked out the first time she had her period because they had never talked about it. She thought she was dying, poor thing. That’s not necessarily something that’s going to happen if a girl has two dads but it is much more likely. The child are of course better off in a loving home and better off in a loving gay home than a terrible “normal” home. I would be able to give an absolute answer if I had proof that the gene making people gay existed. Right now I’m just gonna stick with ”I can’t say that they are allowed and I can’t say that they aren’t allowed.”