Same sex marriages!

I just read Courtny's rainbow colored post... and I never thought about the conenction between marriage and gov't and seperation of church and state...

It's an interesting view point.

The rest of the post was right on the money... The fact that gays want their CIVIL unions to have the SAME benefits as a marriage. I believe that they communtiy is NOT asking for marraige(because of religious issues) per say but the same rights.


I agree with all of that... Leave marriage for the right wing assholes who are so stuck up that they haven't seen the ground from on top pf their high horse and make things equal.

holy shit, once she uses pretty colors everyone gets it (and I was just using bold titles

alright, I agree almost all of it (since I've said almost all of it, just like Courtney), except homosexuality being a sin

it's just not allowed for homosexuals to be married
no marriage = no sex
so homosexual sex is an indirect sin

just making that bit clear

So homosexual sex is a sin, but homosexuality, as it is, just the plain old love for the other person of your same sex, is not a sin?

CristhyneS:

So homosexual sex is a sin, but homosexuality, as it is, just the plain old love for the other person of your same sex, is not a sin?

According to the Catholic church, this is how they see it.

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CristhyneS:

So homosexual sex is a sin, but homosexuality, as it is, just the plain old love for the other person of your same sex, is not a sin?

According to the Catholic church, this is how they see it.

And since the Catholic Church don't allow sex before marriage anyway, it works out nicely.

I don't see the Vatican changing its perception on Gay Marriage anytime soon, and with the current Pope little progression will be made. Benedict was, obviously, a great friend of the last Pontif and I have my suspicions that he was elected as a rather transitional Pope anyway, due to age and principles.
When a more Liberal Pope comes to office, then perhaps we shall see some change, but until the Vatican (or any other individual church authority) says that Gay 'Marriage' by their law is acceptable I won't believe in it.

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CristhyneS:

So homosexual sex is a sin, but homosexuality, as it is, just the plain old love for the other person of your same sex, is not a sin?

According to the Catholic church, this is how they see it.

Okay...that's new to me.

Though is not much of change anyways. Church still sees homosexual sex as a sin, same as they don't allow gay marriage, it's basically the same as saying homosexuality is a sin. Meh...

I_worship_tre_Cool:

I think alot of people in this thread don't want to say they are opposed to Gay marriage for fear of being called homophobic, but you wouldn't be, the other people hadn't really thought about what "equality for all" actually means. The majority of people who posted in this thread have the common opinion of wanting Gay people to have the same right's as straight people. However, they also share the misconception that making gay marriage legal makes them equal, it doesn't.

im not affraid to say that i am oppsed to gay marrage, because for me marrage is a sanctity between a man and woman

Lucifers Angel:

im not affraid to say that i am oppsed to gay marrage, because for me marrage is a sanctity between a man and woman

A CHRISTIAN man and woman.

Bloodraine:

Lucifers Angel:

im not affraid to say that i am oppsed to gay marrage, because for me marrage is a sanctity between a man and woman

A CHRISTIAN man and woman.

yeah i know that but i was just pointing out that i wasnt affraid to say i was oppsed to it, we have to remember the family unit is "mum and dad" not "dad and dad" or "mum and mum" i am not homophobic, i just believe marrage is a institution made for the union of man and woman.

Lucifers Angel:

im not affraid to say that i am oppsed to gay marrage, because for me marrage is a sanctity between a man and woman

That, in my opinion, is not a legitamate argument in my opinion, unless you also think that Gay people should be offered something equal to marriage. If you don't, then you would be holding your morals above someone elses, and why should your values be superior to someone elses, and effect their life. Anyone who's reason for not allowing gay marriage is simply "being gay is wrong" is very intollerant in my opinion.

*will from this moment on only ever debate in colour*

did someone drop a box of crayons in here

Lucifers Angel:

yeah i know that but i was just pointing out that i wasnt affraid to say i was oppsed to it, we have to remember the family unit is "mum and dad" not "dad and dad" or "mum and mum" i am not homophobic, i just believe marrage is a institution made for the union of man and woman.

A family consists of a domestic group of people (or a number of domestic groups), typically affiliated by birth or marriage, or by analogous or comparable relationships — including domestic partnership, cohabitation, adoption, surname and (in some cases) ownership (as occurred in the Roman Empire).

In many societies, family ties are only those recognized as such by law or a similar normative system. Although many people (including social scientists) have understood familial relationships in terms of "blood", many anthropologists have argued that one must understand the notion of "blood" metaphorically, and that many societies understand 'family' through other concepts rather than through genetics.

I got that from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family

Family units:
Nuclear Family
Single Parent Family
Extended Family
Childless Family

Nuclear Family, the family in which there are two parents, and childeren.

The single parent family, the family in which there is just one parent.

Extended family, the family in which there are two parents, their children, and perhaps a grandmother or something.

Childless family, the family in which there are two people, but no children.

Now, two of my aunts have no husband, but they both have children. One has an 8 year old son, the other has 4 kids ranging in age from 15 to 22.

They used to live together, and help each other out with the kids, raising them, providing for them. And would you have a problem with that? Because neither of the families have fathers anywhere close to them.

For my 8 year old cousin, his father has not been around since he was born. The same with my 15 (and 16) year old cousin. There is another one, 19 or so, he left when she was about 3, and she never visits him, same with the 22 and the 15 year old. The 22 and the 15 year old are both guys, as with my 8 year old cousin.

Is there anything wrong with this? No. Not at all. They both give support to my cousins.

But would you have a problem with this? Or does your views change once they are homosexuals?

NeoSteph:

*will from this moment on only ever debate in colour*

did someone drop a box of crayons in here

opps, I should have put it in colour so she would have read it xDD

Coff:

Lucifers Angel:

yeah i know that but i was just pointing out that i wasnt affraid to say i was oppsed to it, we have to remember the family unit is "mum and dad" not "dad and dad" or "mum and mum" i am not homophobic, i just believe marrage is a institution made for the union of man and woman.

A family consists of a domestic group of people (or a number of domestic groups), typically affiliated by birth or marriage, or by analogous or comparable relationships — including domestic partnership, cohabitation, adoption, surname and (in some cases) ownership (as occurred in the Roman Empire).

In many societies, family ties are only those recognized as such by law or a similar normative system. Although many people (including social scientists) have understood familial relationships in terms of "blood", many anthropologists have argued that one must understand the notion of "blood" metaphorically, and that many societies understand 'family' through other concepts rather than through genetics.

I got that from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family

Family units:
Nuclear Family
Single Parent Family
Extended Family
Childless Family

Nuclear Family, the family in which there are two parents, and childeren.

The single parent family, the family in which there is just one parent.

Extended family, the family in which there are two parents, their children, and perhaps a grandmother or something.

Childless family, the family in which there are two people, but no children.

Now, two of my aunts have no husband, but they both have children. One has an 8 year old son, the other has 4 kids ranging in age from 15 to 22.

They used to live together, and help each other out with the kids, raising them, providing for them. And would you have a problem with that? Because neither of the families have fathers anywhere close to them.

For my 8 year old cousin, his father has not been around since he was born. The same with my 15 (and 16) year old cousin. There is another one, 19 or so, he left when she was about 3, and she never visits him, same with the 22 and the 15 year old. The 22 and the 15 year old are both guys, as with my 8 year old cousin.

Is there anything wrong with this? No. Not at all. They both give support to my cousins.

But would you have a problem with this? Or does your views change once they are homosexuals?

no i wouldnt have a problem with that because loike i have said many times before, i understand that marrages break down, and they were living together has friends because that at the time was thebest thing for them, and the kids, i was merely stating that some one said that many people are affraid to point out that they are against homosexual marrage because they are affraid of being called homophobic, i am not homophobic.

Lucifers Angel:

no i wouldnt have a problem with that because loike i have said many times before, i understand that marrages break down, and they were living together has friends because that at the time was thebest thing for them, and the kids, i was merely stating that some one said that many people are affraid to point out that they are against homosexual marrage because they are affraid of being called homophobic, i am not homophobic.

Yeah, but you were saying that a family had a mum and a dad, well this family basically had two mums, and it was for the best. So what's so different when it comes to lesbians or gays?

I personally think, hey its THERE life, no matter what you do you CANNOT control who they fall in love with, its a free country we arn't suppost to be telling people what they can or cannot do when it comes to love.
personaly thats what i think...im all for it even though im not gay -_- just bi......

Coff:

Lucifers Angel:

no i wouldnt have a problem with that because loike i have said many times before, i understand that marrages break down, and they were living together has friends because that at the time was thebest thing for them, and the kids, i was merely stating that some one said that many people are affraid to point out that they are against homosexual marrage because they are affraid of being called homophobic, i am not homophobic.

Yeah, but you were saying that a family had a mum and a dad, well this family basically had two mums, and it was for the best. So what's so different when it comes to lesbians or gays?

because quite frankly they are not teaching the kids that it is perfectly normal to sleep with people of the same sex, because at the end of the day it is a perversion that not everyone can agree with, i must have old fashioned values that all i can think of but i will stick with my old fashioned values thanks.

CristhyneS:

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CristhyneS:

So homosexual sex is a sin, but homosexuality, as it is, just the plain old love for the other person of your same sex, is not a sin?

According to the Catholic church, this is how they see it.

Okay...that's new to me.

Though is not much of change anyways. Church still sees homosexual sex as a sin, same as they don't allow gay marriage, it's basically the same as saying homosexuality is a sin. Meh...

well,m now you understand my frusturation with my own religion

they don't even study their own Bibles and realize that homosexuality is not a sin

again, which is why there is "gays are wrong" "Christians" are wrong and if anyone did their research instead of relying on pure emotion we could get so much done

kind of like the debate for homosexual marriage
but that colored post pwns the hell out of the frillion posts I've made

Lucifers Angel:

because quite frankly they are not teaching the kids that it is perfectly normal to sleep with people of the same sex, because at the end of the day it is a perversion that not everyone can agree with, i must have old fashioned values that all i can think of but i will stick with my old fashioned values thanks.

No they dont teach us that in school. In mine school a teacher said that gay people are the third type of people. They are suppose to teach us about equality and what matters in life, but they are just expresing their subjectal opinion and we have to go with it.

Lucifers Angel:

because at the end of the day it is a perversion that not everyone can agree with, i must have old fashioned values that all i can think of but i will stick with my old fashioned values thanks.

It's fine and Dandy if you want to judge someone based on their sexual preferance, but that is not a valid arguement against Gay marriage. "My morals tell me they are perverts, so Im going to let my morals dictate their lives."


That is not fair. If you're going to argue against Gay marriage, it should at least be done fairly.