Armin Meiwes (cannibalism)

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Dehren McGhengland
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May 27th, 2006 at 05:56pm
Mmkay, this is the first Specific Discussion thread I've made, so I hope it isn't a duplicate/isn't needed.
If it is, however, any mod is free to lock it.

So, any of you heard of Armin Meiwes? He was a German cannibal who was sentenced to life imprisonment for slaughtering and eating a 43 year old man named Bernd Brandes. The weird thing is - the victim requested the cannibal should slaughter him. He hammered Mr. Brandes' body down with nails and pins while he was whipped, and Mr. Brandes even agreed to have his penis cut off, which Mr. Meiwes then flambéed and served up to eat together. Mr. Meiwes then stabbed Mr. Brandes repeatedly in the neck and disected the corpse. And might I add that he also raped his victims before-hand (he was homosexual).

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Cannibal Armin Meiwes
Freezer in which Mr. Meiwes bagged Mr. Brandes' flesh under some pizza
Meat hook used for haning up victims in his slaughter room
Meat rack for holding his victims in
Bathtub where Mr. Brandes' bled for 10 hours after having his penis cut off
Dining room where he ate the victims
The bed where Mr. Meiwes raped his victims
Bernd Brandes, the victim


But I didn't make this thread specificly because of Mr. Meiwes.
Armin was from Germany, and in Germany cannibalism isn't against the law.
Do you think it should be before something as gruesome as this happens again? Do you possibly think it's alright?
Please share your views.
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May 29th, 2006 at 09:04am
Oh shit. That's intresting in a vaguely I'm about to puke sorta way. o_o Did he only go for males? And did he have any mental issues?
Dehren McGhengland
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May 29th, 2006 at 04:15pm
castaway.:
Did he only go for males? And did he have any mental issues?


Well he was homosexual but I'm not sure if all of his victims were male.
And he didn't have any mental issues, like I said, he was from Germany and cannibalism isn't against the law there.
And I read on some site that he'd dream about eating another person since he was little. Neutral
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May 29th, 2006 at 04:27pm
Woooooah. It isn't illegal? Shocked

Well in my honest opinion I think Cannibalism should be made against the law. However, i'm not going to say it is totally wrong. I have kept many pet rodents in the past, many of which once they have died have been eaten by their cagemates, be they mother, child, or just another random rat. I don't allow it to happen directly but often they do it anyway and it doesn't freak me out. Why?. Its all in the circle of life, its natural to them.

But then, this isn't rats and mice we're talking about. This is humans, and I don't believe eating anyone alive is humane. After death?. I don't know. See the necrophilia thread- if people are willing to give consent then there is a big, big grey area.
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May 29th, 2006 at 04:33pm
Bloodraine:
Woooooah. It isn't illegal? Shocked

Well in my honest opinion I think Cannibalism should be made against the law. However, i'm not going to say it is totally wrong. I have kept many pet rodents in the past, many of which once they have died have been eaten by their cagemates, be they mother, child, or just another random rat. I don't allow it to happen directly but often they do it anyway and it doesn't freak me out. Why?. Its all in the circle of life, its natural to them.

But then, this isn't rats and mice we're talking about. This is humans, and I don't believe eating anyone alive is humane. After death?. I don't know. See the necrophilia thread- if people are willing to give consent then there is a big, big grey area.

I knew this was going to be reminiscent of the necrophilia thread the first time I read it.
You're right-- there is a lot of grey area when someone gives consent.
But how are humans and rats different? How is it humane forrats to eat each other, but not humans?
If the human was already dead, would it be a different story?
We prove that we aren't particularly civil every day.

And why would we need laws about eating (I mean actually digesting, for those of you with your minds in the gutters) other humans? Most people consider it beyond disgusting anyway.
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May 29th, 2006 at 04:37pm
I think we need a law because to find a body to eat there's a high change you'll be doing something illict to get that body.

Eating someone alive is probably murder or something of the sort- so I don't agree with that. But then, after death?. You all know my stance on that.
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May 29th, 2006 at 04:41pm
Bloodraine:
I think we need a law because to find a body to eat there's a high change you'll be doing something illict to get that body.

Eating someone alive is probably murder or something of the sort- so I don't agree with that. But then, after death?. You all know my stance on that.

You're right about eating someone alive. That is technically torture and inevitably murder.
On the other hand, if both parties consent, are they still wrong? In such a case, does the idea of right and wrong change?
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May 29th, 2006 at 04:44pm
I also read somewhere that there was a video on the internet of Armin actually slaughtering/eating Bernd [yes, the whole thing was video-taped. They're using the video in court].
It's not on the internet anymore, but it said that a lot of people who saw the video had to find medical help because they were that disturbed.
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May 29th, 2006 at 04:45pm
Kitti:
You're right about eating someone alive. That is technically torture and inevitably murder.
On the other hand, if both parties consent, are they still wrong? In such a case, does the idea of right and wrong change?

It never ends. xD

I think there should be a line drawn. If a person is really intent on being eaten alive like this Mr. Brandes, was it right for Meiwes to take advantage of that?. I think Brandes should have been given some kind of help, you know, before he gave consent.
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May 29th, 2006 at 04:51pm
Bloodraine:
Kitti:
You're right about eating someone alive. That is technically torture and inevitably murder.
On the other hand, if both parties consent, are they still wrong? In such a case, does the idea of right and wrong change?

It never ends. xD

I think there should be a line drawn. If a person is really intent on being eaten alive like this Mr. Brandes, was it right for Meiwes to take advantage of that?. I think Brandes should have been given some kind of help, you know, before he gave consent.

If insanity is what makes you happy, do you seek help?
Hardly.
Maybe he was not insane. Maybe it was a totally rational desire and a rational decision he made.
We can't know.

But for the sake of argument, a person of "sound mind" makes this decision. Right and wrong are relative, yes? So can we then judge the situation?
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May 29th, 2006 at 04:57pm
Kitti:
If insanity is what makes you happy, do you seek help?
Hardly.
Maybe he was not insane. Maybe it was a totally rational desire and a rational decision he made.
We can't know.

But for the sake of argument, a person of "sound mind" makes this decision. Right and wrong are relative, yes? So can we then judge the situation?

Maybe it was very rational and logical. Maybe it was done with complete love and constent by both parties. Maybe it felt totally right.

But the same old argument surfaces, does that make it right?. I could give consent to do some awful things, but it hardly makes it okay even if I do want to do it. We are humans, animals, same as rats, same as mice, all animals have standards and limits too. I think we need to assert limits, and like it or not we are different to anmials in some respects, maybe not for good but we aren't exactly the same.
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May 29th, 2006 at 05:31pm
He was left to bleed for ten hours?

Shit why did that man let it happen to him?
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May 29th, 2006 at 05:35pm
Action Han:
He was left to bleed for ten hours?

Shit why did that man let it happen to him?


He requested that he'd be eaten, but I have no idea why he wanted to.
And the reason he bled for 10 hours was because after getting his penis cut off, Mr. Meiwes put him in a bath filled with hot water [and hot water makes you bleed quicker].
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May 29th, 2006 at 05:38pm
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Action Han:
He was left to bleed for ten hours?

Shit why did that man let it happen to him?


He requested that he'd be eaten, but I have no idea why he wanted to.
And the reason he bled for 10 hours was because after getting his penis cut off, Mr. Meiwes put him in a bath filled with hot water [and hot water makes you bleed quicker].
Ouch, fuck man.

I guess if that's what he wanted to happen then... But still, why would you want that?
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May 29th, 2006 at 05:39pm
Action Han:
Pepperpot.:
Action Han:
He was left to bleed for ten hours?

Shit why did that man let it happen to him?


He requested that he'd be eaten, but I have no idea why he wanted to.
And the reason he bled for 10 hours was because after getting his penis cut off, Mr. Meiwes put him in a bath filled with hot water [and hot water makes you bleed quicker].
Ouch, fuck man.

I guess if that's what he wanted to happen then... But still, why would you want that?


Some people are weird like that.
Maybe he wanted to die..
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May 29th, 2006 at 05:41pm
Pepperpot.:
Action Han:
Pepperpot.:
Action Han:
He was left to bleed for ten hours?

Shit why did that man let it happen to him?


He requested that he'd be eaten, but I have no idea why he wanted to.
And the reason he bled for 10 hours was because after getting his penis cut off, Mr. Meiwes put him in a bath filled with hot water [and hot water makes you bleed quicker].
Ouch, fuck man.

I guess if that's what he wanted to happen then... But still, why would you want that?


Some people are weird like that.
Maybe he wanted to die..
I supose then it's sort of like Euthanasia....
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May 29th, 2006 at 06:11pm
Action Han:
Pepperpot.:
Action Han:
Pepperpot.:
Action Han:
He was left to bleed for ten hours?

Shit why did that man let it happen to him?


He requested that he'd be eaten, but I have no idea why he wanted to.
And the reason he bled for 10 hours was because after getting his penis cut off, Mr. Meiwes put him in a bath filled with hot water [and hot water makes you bleed quicker].
Ouch, fuck man.

I guess if that's what he wanted to happen then... But still, why would you want that?


Some people are weird like that.
Maybe he wanted to die..
I supose then it's sort of like Euthanasia....


it is only Euthanasia when somone is gravely physically ill, so it would be more like assisted suicide.
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May 30th, 2006 at 08:33am
Holy shit...

I agree that it is obviously wrong to eat someone alive...thats just like any other form of torture...but when they are dead? I suppose it comes down to free will...most people would be repulsed by the thought of it, but arguably, if both people are willing, there isnt really much anyone can do about it...
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May 30th, 2006 at 09:55am
A dead body cannot give you consent to eat it. I don't care if they did while they were living 5 seconds before, opinions change. Sort of like people who say "Hey, lets commit suicide together" So one says shoot me, then shoot yourself, but whoever gets shot first changes their mind and it was too late...

It's wrong and uncilivilized. If a person wishes to be eaten while they're alive, kudo's to you. You give the consent, snack away. But how many of these people do you think were in their right minds? Very few, and you can't give consent for something like that when your not sane, that's a mistake you can't fix. AFter something like this ocured, I really think Germany needs to outlaw it.
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May 30th, 2006 at 04:36pm
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A dead body cannot give you consent to eat it. I don't care if they did while they were living 5 seconds before, opinions change. Sort of like people who say "Hey, lets commit suicide together" So one says shoot me, then shoot yourself, but whoever gets shot first changes their mind and it was too late...

It's wrong and uncilivilized. If a person wishes to be eaten while they're alive, kudo's to you. You give the consent, snack away. But how many of these people do you think were in their right minds? Very few, and you can't give consent for something like that when your not sane, that's a mistake you can't fix. AFter something like this ocured, I really think Germany needs to outlaw it.

How is it wrong?
As a non-cannibal, can you judge these cannibals based on your system of values?
As always, we fail to recognize that one tiny detail-- values can be drastically different. Assuming that nobody here is a cannibal, we have to keep that in our heads.
Do I condone eating other humans? Not at all. But I don't condone eating a lot of meats (poultry and fish are easier to digest and have essentially the same nutritional value as red meat, and we won't talk about the processed ones). Can we really pass judgement on something we can't understand without experiencing it? I hardly think so.

But the major scientific point against cannibalism:
The protiens ingested when one eats another of the same species can bind with other protiens in the body, especially in the nervous system. This is related to the outbreak of Mad Cow in Europe about a decade ago. Cow feed contained parts of cows. The way the protiens interacted, it affected their nervous systems. When ingested by humans, the protiens affected the human brain in the same way. This has also been seen in human cannibalism in certain parts of Africa.
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