Hairy Women!

A 'polite addition' to a command doesn't make it any less of a command. o.o

"Please get me a cookie" is a command.

If you had put "can you" infront of please then it wouldn't be but you just said "please" so that's a command. That's pretty much what that definition is saying aswell.

xXxAndreaIsCoolxXx:

Matt Bellamy:

A 'polite addition' to a command doesn't make it any less of a command. o.o

Please does not mean command.

The definition again:
Definition of please:
–adverb
1.(used as a polite addition to requests, commands, etc.) if you would be so obliging


Please get me a cookie.
I did not make any commands.

Thank you for educating me on the definition of the word 'please'.
Now, in return, I would like to educate you on the use of the comma.

1.(used as a polite addition to requests, commands, etc.) if you would be so obliging

There it is, twice, bolded, enlarged, and in red. The comma is used to divide things, whether they be words, phrases, or clauses. In this case, it is listing three things: 'requests', 'commands' and 'etc'. You could replace the comma with the word 'and' or 'or'. Something cannot be a request, a command, and various other things at the same time, so in this case, 'or' is to be used.

Therefore:
1.(used as a polite addition to requests or commands or etc.) if you would be so obliging

'please' itself is neither a request nor a command. However, it can be used in addition to a request or a command (which is what you made).


To prove what you said was not a request;
As we've been over, 'please' is an addition to a request or a command. If removed, the sentence in question would still be a request or a command, because 'please' is simply an addition.

To request is to ask for. When you ask for something, it may either be rejected or approved.
If you remove the addition in 'please shave!', it becomes 'shave!'
When you tell someone to shave, you are not giving them a choice. Therefore, you are not requesting. You are commanding. I'm not sure how I can possibly make this any clearer.


Also, to command is to require authoritatively or demand (sauce)
The word 'please' is a polite addition, and to be polite is to express good manners (sauce)

A policeman could beat you with a baton and yell at you to get on the ground, and that would be an impolite command.
Or, he could read you your rights, apologize, and tell you to please place your hands on your head, because he is forced to arrest you. That would be a polite command, because he is an authority figure and he requires/demands/commands something authoritatively.

I rest my case.

Omfg. This is so offtopic.

I watched F*** Off, I'm A Hairy Woman! a few days ago.

I think instead shaving part of that guys leg, she should have given him a wax strip. Much more painful. Maybe then he'd realised what most women go through.

I hate to be a party pooper, but this is seriously off topic.

lyrical_mess:

I hate to be a party pooper, but this is seriously off topic.

I was just thinking that as well.

xXxAndreaIsCoolxXx:

Well thank you for that fun report, but I've known what a comma does for about eight years now.
=]
Thanks, though.

"To prove what you said was not a request;
As we've been over, 'please' is an addition to a request or a command. If removed, the sentence in question would still be a request or a command, because 'please' is simply an addition."
I know that.
I never said that was untrue.
In fact, I said it was.
A request OR a command. You said it yourself.
Therefore, how does that prove anything that you are trying to prove?
It's in your own words: "request or a command."


I'm not, either, because simply because a question mark at the end does not change that something like that is not always a command.

So in the exact definition, it makes it clear that it can be an addition to a command OR a request. You yourself admit that it can be an addition to a command OR a request.

Quite simply, I don't know what DHD meant and neither do you.
I do, however, know what I said and what I meant. And I would appreciate it if people don't try to change what that was.
=]

And I the definition of please. =]

How about you read the paragraph after, yeah?

What you are replying to (the fact that the sentence could be a command or request) was only put there to narrow it down to two things: command or request.
The paragraph after explains quite clearly why it was not a request.
Therefore, it must be a command.

If you still don't understand, then there's really not much to say and we should drop it. Besides, as said, we're horribly offtopic.

oh my god this is the most insane argument ever.

PLEASE SHAVE. it's a polite command to the person trying to defend that she's not commanding people to shave, well you obviously didn't mean it as a command but grammatically it is.

if you ask someone to politely do something you are still asking them to do it, which is a command. I'm a teacher. so when i tell a student ''please put the folders away'' am i not commanding them to do so? they don't look at me and go ''no'' because it's not a request it's a command.


don't try and argue any longer because any point you do bring up is actually helping the other peoples case and making them pull their hair out at the same time.

xXxAndreaIsCoolxXx:

NeoSteph:

oh my god this is the most insane argument ever.

PLEASE SHAVE. it's a polite command to the person trying to defend that she's not commanding people to shave, well you obviously didn't mean it as a command but grammatically it is.

if you ask someone to politely do something you are still asking them to do it, which is a command. I'm a teacher. so when i tell a student ''please put the folders away'' am i not commanding them to do so? they don't look at me and go ''no'' because it's not a request it's a command.


don't try and argue any longer because any point you do bring up is actually helping the other peoples case and making them pull their hair out at the same time.

If it's inane why are you involving yourself?

I am not argueing with anybody, I am trying to get people to realize that by definition please does not mean anybody is making a command.

I am also asking people not to twist my words.

Grammatically, it can be either a command or a request. Even the person telling me I'm wrong said that.

Asking and commanding is not the same thing.

Because even if i'm not a mod anymore this is my section

I don't think you mean't it as a command but in the context it can be mistaken to be one. So other users have jumped on that and it's now become a bit silly.

So to wrap it up. they need to accept that you didn't mean it as a command and you need to understand that they just want ot hear you say that please can be part of a command, which you have done above.


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on topic.

xXxAndreaIsCoolxXx:

Asking and commanding is not the same thing.

*Cough.*Asking involves a question mark.*Cough.*

So um...those hairy women...well, all the more power to them, I guess.

Aren't there some religions where it's like a sin or something to shave your body hair?

idk if that's true, but I know there was a lot of girls in my high school from certain religions that never shaved.

But, if someone doesn't want to shave, it's their choice. It's not always just because they're too lazy or not interested in personal hygene.

Exactly. Has anyone read Island of the Aunts? Aunt Etta or Coral says something about that, how the Bible said something about hairy legs. And they kind of frown upon their sister Betty for shaving her legs and marrying a tax inspector

Start Something.:

Aren't there some religions where it's like a sin or something to shave your body hair?

idk if that's true, but I know there was a lot of girls in my high school from certain religions that never shaved.

But, if someone doesn't want to shave, it's their choice. It's not always just because they're too lazy or not interested in personal hygene.

Hm, it's possible.
My friend once told me that Sikhs don't cut their hair for whatever religious reason. So I guess they'd apply the same principle to leg/arm/wherever hair.

I don't really count her as a valuable source of information, though, so it may well not be true.

It's cool how the hairy women doesn't care..
I wish I was like that.... But i care too much
I'm too young to shave but I really need to....

Bloodraine:

Start Something.:

Aren't there some religions where it's like a sin or something to shave your body hair?

idk if that's true, but I know there was a lot of girls in my high school from certain religions that never shaved.

But, if someone doesn't want to shave, it's their choice. It's not always just because they're too lazy or not interested in personal hygene.

Hm, it's possible.
My friend once told me that Sikhs don't cut their hair for whatever religious reason. So I guess they'd apply the same principle to leg/arm/wherever hair.

I don't really count her as a valuable source of information, though, so it may well not be true.

The sikhs can shave any part of their body, except their face & head
i think...

Anji:

xXxAndreaIsCoolxXx:

Asking and commanding is not the same thing.

*Cough.*Asking involves a question mark.*Cough.*

*sneeze*


So.... hairy women.

You know what'd be interesting? I know Courtney's all obsessed with Dita so I went and did a little research as to who she was. And I thought be interesting if some of these burlesque revivalist people came up and didn't remove their body hair. And I wonder how the audience would react.

lyrical_mess:

You know what'd be interesting? I know Courtney's all obsessed with Dita so I went and did a little research as to who she was. And I thought be interesting if some of these burlesque revivalist people came up and didn't remove their body hair. And I wonder how the audience would react.

I think they'd cry..

Well, it would certainly make a statement. Alot of people feel that burlesque dancers are degrading and insecure based on their profession. If they did something like that I think it would take confidence and strong feministic (is that a word?) morals.

Personally, I prefer my Dita hair free. However I don't think I'd love her any less if she decided to lose her razor. Its only hair.

I remember someone mentioned that body hair is a sign of female sexual maturity. A lot of men prefer girls and younger women, but I can't help but wonder if they might actually find unshaved women sexier if they got to see the whole picture.