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November 30th, 2006 at 08:18pm
Lucifers Angel:
because quite frankly they are not teaching the kids that it is perfectly normal to sleep with people of the same sex, because at the end of the day it is a perversion that not everyone can agree with, i must have old fashioned values that all i can think of but i will stick with my old fashioned values thanks.
If you say something in here, I'm going to debate it. That's how this place works. If you didn't want me debating it, then you shouldn't have come in here.
I wasn't telling you to change your views, I was conuntering them. You can stick with your views, but that doesn't mean I'm not going to debate them if you come in here and say something that I can debate against.
no i wouldnt have a problem with that because loike i have said many times before, i understand that marrages break down, and they were living together has friends because that at the time was thebest thing for them, and the kids, i was merely stating that some one said that many people are affraid to point out that they are against homosexual marrage because they are affraid of being called homophobic, i am not homophobic.
Yeah, but you were saying that a family had a mum and a dad, well this family basically had two mums, and it was for the best. So what's so different when it comes to lesbians or gays?
because quite frankly they are not teaching the kids that it is perfectly normal to sleep with people of the same sex, because at the end of the day it is a perversion that not everyone can agree with, i must have old fashioned values that all i can think of but i will stick with my old fashioned values thanks.
Can I get in on debating this? It's been done several times now...but it's so fun-looking!
Let's define "normal." Is "normal" what the majority of people thinks/says/does? If everyone were normal, would'nt the world be boring? Everyone who's different in some way from a commonly held trait--any trait--must be abonormal. So what music do you like? Mozart, Beethoven, Brahms...it follows that they, being able to produce very pleasant melodies, were abnormal.
"Abnormal" does not mean "bad." It never has, it never will. "Bad" means "bad." You say that gay sex is a perversion; it's not normal. That doesn't mean it's bad.
Furthermore, who are you to label anything a perversion? Who am I to label anything a perversion? Nobody can label anything "perverted." It's impossible. You can pervert something...it's a verb...but don't use it as an adjective. You cannot force anyone to use your morals. Don't try. It's a gigantic world, filled with people who are different in every way from each other. That's not gonna change real soon.
spill_no_sick Falling In Love With The Board Age: 31 Gender: - Posts: 8588
December 2nd, 2006 at 02:23pm
dude, "normal" is just a term
only 1% of the population of the world is homosexual, and only 2% is bisexual
so "normal" would mean "the other 97%"
we're not saying normal is right, in fact, half this site is wannabenonconformists so normal would be a bad thing
and perversion actually means a woman presenting herself to an animal...but people generally mean it in a sexual way
a "perversion" in this case means "preference dealing with sex"
I think the government and society have other things to worry about then if 2 people of the same sex want to get married, but then again sociey and the government have gone to shit. Maybe we should all focus on getting our troops home and ending this war, getting everyone in america with a roof over their head, stop child abuse, catching Osama, things that actual are having a negitive effect in the world, not preventing people to love who they want. As long as they aren't hurting anyone then what is the problem? For people to say that in the bible it says marrige is between a man and women and that if yuo are with the same sex it is a a "sin" I think that's lame, because you knwo what it say's killing is a sin as well, and what are we doing right now in Iraq? Plus, not everyone has the same religious beliefes as others. Wouldn't god (or whatever higher power you may believe in if that) want you to be happy? If society, TV, commercial, people in our lives, and magizines didn't portray the fact that you have to be with the opposite sex then their wouldn't be this controversy. If America stands for freedom then you should have the freedom to decide for yourself who you want to be with no matter what their gender is, not what the governement, bible, or society believes it should be. Just because of your orientation you should be an outsider? I think not. Also, it seems that many marriges don't even last long in this day and age, so shouldn't we let the loved one's get married and be happy? It's not like they love any different then two straight people would the only difference is their gender, it's not like their distant creatures or something. I don't know that's just my outlook on things.
You just contradicted yourself about 5000 times, just so you know.
Lucifers Angel King For A Couple Of Days Age: - Gender: Female Posts: 4751
December 6th, 2006 at 04:31am
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Lucifers Angel:
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Lucifers Angel:
no i wouldnt have a problem with that because loike i have said many times before, i understand that marrages break down, and they were living together has friends because that at the time was thebest thing for them, and the kids, i was merely stating that some one said that many people are affraid to point out that they are against homosexual marrage because they are affraid of being called homophobic, i am not homophobic.
Yeah, but you were saying that a family had a mum and a dad, well this family basically had two mums, and it was for the best. So what's so different when it comes to lesbians or gays?
because quite frankly they are not teaching the kids that it is perfectly normal to sleep with people of the same sex, because at the end of the day it is a perversion that not everyone can agree with, i must have old fashioned values that all i can think of but i will stick with my old fashioned values thanks.
Can I get in on debating this? It's been done several times now...but it's so fun-looking!
Let's define "normal." Is "normal" what the majority of people thinks/says/does? If everyone were normal, would'nt the world be boring? Everyone who's different in some way from a commonly held trait--any trait--must be abonormal. So what music do you like? Mozart, Beethoven, Brahms...it follows that they, being able to produce very pleasant melodies, were abnormal.
"Abnormal" does not mean "bad." It never has, it never will. "Bad" means "bad." You say that gay sex is a perversion; it's not normal. That doesn't mean it's bad.
Furthermore, who are you to label anything a perversion? Who am I to label anything a perversion? Nobody can label anything "perverted." It's impossible. You can pervert something...it's a verb...but don't use it as an adjective. You cannot force anyone to use your morals. Don't try. It's a gigantic world, filled with people who are different in every way from each other. That's not gonna change real soon.
i am not trying to force people to use my views i just said back a few pages ago that i was not affraid to say that i was against gay marrages, with the fear of being called homophobic, because i am not that would make me a hypocrite to the extreme, and perversion is anything that goes against the norm. But yes like you said who am i to say what is normal and what is not normal.
In behavior, normal means not deviating very much from the average; "not normal" is often used in a negative sense (improper, sick, etc.). Abnormality varies greatly in how pleasant or unpleasant this is for other people; somebody may half-jokingly be called "pleasantly disturbed". ...
Ashton Renae Falling In Love With The Board Age: 34 Gender: Female Posts: 5041
December 6th, 2006 at 06:35pm
personally i'm all for same sex marriages.
i mean, who are we to tell people what love is.
if a guy is in love with another guy, same with girls, then let them be.
the government just can't accept that they're human people to.
just with different sexual preferences.
heterosexuals act like homosexuals are animals or criminals or something.
straight people say it's wrong for people to be gay or lesbian, but to the gay or lesbian people, the way they think and who they like is what's normal to them.
i say let them love, fuck, or marry anyone they want.
spill_no_sick Falling In Love With The Board Age: 31 Gender: - Posts: 8588
December 6th, 2006 at 06:45pm
I_worship_tre_Cool:
I Need Her:
Honestly, I think that anyone who wants to get married to people of the same sex, they should be able to. Really, if the two people love each other, they should be able to be united by marriage.
Alright, before Nick's head explodes and he kills someone, I'll try explaining this... I'll even you emoticons and pretty colors to keep peoples interest
Alright, so check this out:
Marriage is... a RELIGIOUS tradition. Now, in case that confuses people, I'll elaborate, this means that it originated as something the church did. This religion considers homosexuality a Sin. This is where the conflict begins. So, now, in modern times, marriage is important to culture. You recieve government benifits for being married. ZOMG WTF NO WAY. Now, lets put two and two together. Marriage is a religious practce, and you get government benifits for it, which means you recieve government benifits for practicing a certain religion.
This, for the purpose of the US, is unconstitutional. Seperation of Church and state should make this illegal, but it's not, and honestly, I don't see it ever changing, ever.
Now, this also brings up the issue "but atheist straight people and agnostic people can get married."This is another reason why its unfair. They support the morals of the Church, in this case, so they are allowed to be married. Lame.
Now, gay People can have civil partnerships, but they are not the equivilant of marriage. Civil unions, as of now, are not a federal issue in the case of the United States, it's a state government issue, and the state government decides which benifits they give. this means if a Gay couple had a civil Union, and wanted to move to a differnet state, their partnership is no longer valid, as if they were a straight married couple, it would be. This also means that Gay People could never recieve federal marriage benifits, such as being able to file joint income taxes. The two are not equal.
Now, if you want gay marriage to be legalized because you want equality for all, you are a crazy brainwashed liberal (no offence meg, not all liberals are crazy ) By making it legal, you are degrading religious morals, and people who practice that religion. By keeping it illegal, you are discriminating againt gay people. My solution:
Eliminate marriage from all government related things. You should recieve no federal benifits because you practice a religion, and your sexuality shouldn't give you the right to tramp all over church morals either. Wouldn't it be better to change civil partnerships, make it a national policy, and have everyone be treated equally? I think so.
Now, I think Americans are a bunch of stubborn bastards, and we will never do away with marriage. Maybe it can work somewhere else, but Im not idealistic enough to think it will ever work here, at least anytime soon.
we're in need for your color-coded wisdom
kids these days...don't understand politics unless "ooooo! pretty colors!!!!"
kids these days...don't understand politics unless "ooooo! pretty colors!!!!"
GREEN Day: American Idiot
Why do you think that album was so popular
Definitely wasn't the music.
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Misanthropist Post Whore Age: 32 Gender: Female Posts: 23279
December 7th, 2006 at 07:51pm
spill_no_sick:
we're in need for your color-coded wisdom
kids these days...don't understand politics unless "ooooo! pretty colors!!!!"
It's eye catching that's the only reason I read it, I admit. Anyway, good points I_worship_tre_cool (courtney)
Brendon Urie.. King For A Couple Of Days Age: 37 Gender: Female Posts: 2394
December 9th, 2006 at 12:46am
This is the bill I drafted for my American Government class my Junior Year [couple years back].
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It is unconstitutional for the 'un'president to add a Constitutional ammendment stating that same-sex couples cannot be married. A marriage is an assembly, which is protected by the first amendment. A marriage is also an expression of love and caring.
The arguments against same-sex marriage are that it goes against nature {meaning male and female, not male and male, or female and female) and that it goes against God's law. The first is crap. The second doesn't matter, according to the Constitution.
Fred and Silo are constantly seen walking in Central Park Zoo together. They have raised several adopted children, without interference from the government, and they have been together for over five years. Fred and Silo are penguins.
So, obviously homosexuality occurs in nature. Unless, of course, you're going to try and get me to believe that they bribed these penguins with fish to act gay as a ploy for this argument, over five years ago. Don't make me laugh.
As for the Bible saying that 'a man shalt not lie with another man'? Our country has a separation of church and state (or, as I like to call it, church and hate). Therefore, legally, according to the Constitution of the United States of America, we absolutely cannot have any laws founded on any holy book. It's unlawful. So, if you are using the argument that it's against God's law for two consenting, homosexual adults to get married and practice sodomy, then you are being a hypcrite because you are violating a law as well.
Roger J. Magnuson, a trial lawyer, wrote a book arguing that homosexuals do not need civil rights protection. He says that gay men and lesbians already have the same (meaning equal) civil rights that every other Americna has. Hello! Obviously not. It's what I'm arguing for, isn't it? Equal rights are not special rights. As if that wasn't a big enough crock of crap, he says that people should retain the right to discriminate against those whose behavior they believe is immoral. Right. Where was he for the civil rights movement? If what he says is true, I should be able to discriminate against black people if I believe being black is a sin. And I should be able to shoot anyone with AIDS because they may have gained it through sin. Maybe not. Who knows? But according to Roger J. Magnuson, I can discriminate against anyone as long as I can find an excuse that their behavior is immoral. If I was discriminating against Jewish people, I would be in prison before you could bat an eye.
It was illegal for Rosa Parks not to move to the back of the bus. Does that mean it was right? It was illegal for women to vote. Does that mean it was okay? Times change. What our country believed was wrong in the past has obviously evolved. Discrimination is not legal, no matter how much George W. Bush and our government try to sugarcoat it. If ignorance is blish, George Bush would be the happiest person in the world, second to the Christian Coalitions.
This is sad. This right should never need to be legalized. It should never have been illegal in the first place. If the government tells us who we can marry and who we can't, then what's next? Are they going to become like Chin and tell us how many kids we can have? How many times we can get married? Are they going to tell us divorce is immoral and therefore we can't divorce, forcing a woman in an abusive relationship to stay with her alcoholic husband.
There is no Constitutional basis for trying to keep people from committing themselves to marriage. If gay people were telling straight people it was against their beliefs for them [straight people] to get married you'd probably lynch them on the spot. Just because you may not always agree with something doesn't mean that you have the authority to govern other people's lives. Someone told me it was 'gross' for gay people to get married. I told them that five year olds think that when anyone kisses it's 'gross' but that doesn't make it illegal. People only think being gay is 'gross' because that's what the conservative, Protestant hierarchy of society has told them to believe. And you'd rather be brainwashed and eat your potato chips than form your own opinion and think for yourself.
People need to be taught acceptance (not tolerance) on a daily basis. The term 'gay' has been made into a joke. 'That's so gay.' If a person said 'that's so straight' you'd probably looka t them like they're insane, but that's not the case for you. Since you don't like them you get to say whatever the heck you want, right? Everybody thinks that it's okay to use terms loosely and in ways they were never meant to be used. What does it mean to say 'that's so gay' anyway? That's so homosexual? 'That shirt is so gay'. What, does the shirt fall in love with other shirts?
Hateful terms are used for homosexuals daily, and are used as insults to heterosexuals as well. And I know you know the words I'm talking about. It's things like this that make most people feel threatened, or even afraid, of homosexuals. What, are your masculinity and femininity threatened because people love others of the same sex? Is that why Matthew Shepherd was killed? Because some boys though that their masculinity is being threatened? Is that why some Bible-thumping Christians thought that it was okay to try and erect a statue in his town saying that 'The day Matthew Shepherd died he entered hell'? Why is it okay for the same people who use the Bible to argue against same-sex marriage, to judge and condemn them, something against the Bible as well.
Over the years every generation has become more accepting than the last. Past generations have had to become more used to women in the work place and other races, and we're all better for it. But our generation decided not to go become more accepting. We decide that it's okay to be bigoted, prejudiced, and discriminatory. Beccause, obviously if we don't agree with something then those people deserve to suffer, and even die. Obviously, we are for more superior and deserve the most rights. White people, Protestants, men, straight people. Over time these are the people of the United States who have gained the most power and oppressed anyone 'different' than them. Africe-Americans weren't considered to be a whole person. The Bible was the only thing taught in schoo. Women aren't allowed to vote or work. Homosexuals can't get married.
Our generation needs to shape up and take a stand. We need to come back from the bigoted corner we've set ourselves in and allow everyone to have equal rights. Civil unions aren't good enough. Living together isn't good enough. Being married makes homosexuals equal and is, therefore, giving them the 'equality' that all Americans have. We cannot be separate and unequal anymore! We didn't allow it before and we CAN'T have it now.
I don't care if you agree with homosexuality. What I know is that our county CANNOT be rulled by the white, Christian supremacy any longer. If you want to live in a country ruled by religion, try Iraq. You can take your bigoted and prejudiced views over there and teach the whole country why no one is equal. Tell them why you turn everyone against everyone and why you're comfortable living in the little box youv'e set yourself in.
This law MUST BE PASSED so that we can continue heading down the road to acceptance and equality.
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We voted on the bills to see if they would pass and be sent along to our state representatives. My bill got one 'yes' vote.
Mine.
The Doctor Falling In Love With The Board Age: 35 Gender: Female Posts: 8786
December 9th, 2006 at 11:55am
Hmm...I got a solution that could make everyone happy and totally constitutional.
Make all 'marriages' that are not within a church to be called civil unions. Including those in a like...registery office and therefore same sex ones (since they would be performed in a registery office).
Then, change the law to make the benefits and crap for CIVIL PARTNERS, not just married people.
Chaa. Therefore (I hope o_o;; we will all be fairly happy and not breaking the constitution.
i think same sex marriages are fine. i mean, if you love someone and youre into commitment and all you have the right to marry them!
and as for the adoption thing-it should be okay but unfortunately the child might not be able to deal with having gay parents. but all the same, gay marriages are cool!
i think same sex marriages are fine. i mean, if you love someone and youre into commitment and all you have the right to marry them!
and as for the adoption thing-it should be okay but unfortunately the child might not be able to deal with having gay parents. but all the same, gay marriages are cool!
I so agree Christians think it's wrong for us to marry.... yet they are the ones having children out of marriage...how is that right?
robotchicken. Falling In Love With The Board Age: 34 Gender: Female Posts: 8423
December 9th, 2006 at 11:56pm
SMorehouse:
BillieStoleMyVirginity:
i think same sex marriages are fine. i mean, if you love someone and youre into commitment and all you have the right to marry them!
and as for the adoption thing-it should be okay but unfortunately the child might not be able to deal with having gay parents. but all the same, gay marriages are cool!
I so agree Christians think it's wrong for us to marry.... yet they are the ones having children out of marriage...how is that right?
I am one Christian who doesnt think same sex marriage is wrong. And Christians are NOT the only ones having children out of marriage just thought you should know.
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that's the only reason I read it, I admit. Anyway, good points I_worship_tre_cool (courtney)
we will all be fairly happy and not breaking the constitution. 
Now, lets put two and two together. Marriage is a religious practce, and you get government benifits for it, which means you recieve government benifits for practicing a certain religion. 
) By making it legal, you are degrading religious morals, and people who practice that religion. By keeping it illegal, you are discriminating againt gay people. 
