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Opheliac_666:

Think and feel like a normal human?

no they think and feel like objects and that's that.
Also how is it rude? They need to expect getting called that since they do get implants.

I seriously don't know how you can think that AREN'T objects.
Guys like big tits they get implants to fit and meet there desires, therefore they are objects, or do you not know what an object is?

my mom has had a boob job and shes not a object
i know a few other people have replied to this saying the same about people they know that has had plastic surgery but really you shouldnt judge a person by their body

iIf she got the implants cause she had cancer or something then yeah she's not an object.

And i'm allowed to judge them, they get the implants to be judged so telling me to not judge them is just stupid.

Kurtni:

Opheliac_666:

No, guess not....
But they do do it for the men, because that's where most of it comes from them wanting to get a boob job.
That's why i'm saying that they're objects and i'm not going to think of them as anything else, no matter how much you insult me for thinking that.

Sweetheart, how do you know any of this? Honestly, you obviously haven't gotten a boob job, so you don't know why they do it. You're generalizing. Like Cecilia said, girls wear make up because they want to appear prettier to men, are you calling them objects too? And no one was insulting you, us stating our opinions isn't insulting. This is a debate forum, although you aren't debating at all. You're just saying Im not going to think any other way and that's that as if your opinion is the only thing in this entire world that's valid. No, its not. You aren't even replying to the points people are making. You're just making the same degrading remarks over and over again.

Seriosuly, they are objects, men like the bigger tits, they get them to fit and meet there desires and get them sexually "up there" therefor they are objects.

And so what if i'm saying i'm not going to change my opinion? People can say that when they debate because they actually are objects, people like you are seriously dilluded.
And they aren't degrading at all when it comes to pornos they are objects

Btw I know this through common sense.

They ARE clearly objects to men.

Where are you getting all these ideas about men? Some of the comments you're making couldn't be any more sexist. Not all men are only interested in girls for their boobs. Really, not all men are interested in women period. And I'll agree, some men do think of women as nothing more than objects. Men like that are disgusting, sexist pigs with no moral sense at all.

So, would you be ok with girls who don't get boob jobs flaunting their chests around to attract men? They haven't done anything to alter their body to please men, but they're doing the exact same thing. And you have yet to tell me why its ok for girls to wear make up to impess men, but boob jobs are unacceptable?

Nothing gives you the right to judge other people for something as petty as an external feature. It would be arrogant to think that you have some high all mighty power that allows you to degrade and demean other people. You don't. I've seen alot of your posts calling people disrepectful, and what exactly do you think your comments are?Telling someone they're nothing more than an object isn't showing respect. How can you know anything about their personality based on something like that?

You Said:

Oh that is bad, sorry for judging.

Well, there you thought judging was wrong. So why is it ok for you to judge people you dont know now?

You Also Said:

I think it's sad and fucked up how if someone doesn't dress a certain way or too meet a certain groups standards can't fit into that group...

Right so, I think its pretty sad how if girls don't meet your
standards they can't fit in as human and become objects.

And you Also Said in reply to "Do looks really matter?:

I think they matter only 5% to me. If they had an awesome personality, made me laugh alll the time, was fun to be around, had inside jokes together but was quite ugly, i'd still love them and prefer that person to someone who had a shit personality and was really good looking.

Really now?They seem to matter more than 5% here, in fact that seems to be all that matters to you. If they have breast implants, then they are objects. You aren't getting to know them, you know nothing about their personality. You're simply judging them on looks and nothing else.

Kurtni:

Where are you getting all these ideas about men? Some of the comments you're making couldn't be any more sexist. Not all men are only interested in girls for their boobs. Really, not all men are interested in women period. And I'll agree, some men do think of women as nothing more than objects. Men like that are disgusting, sexist pigs with no moral sense at all.

So, would you be ok with girls who don't get boob jobs flaunting their chests around to attract men? They haven't done anything to alter their body to please men, but they're doing the exact same thing. And you have yet to tell me why its ok for girls to wear make up to impess men, but boob jobs are unacceptable?

Nothing gives you the right to judge other people for something as petty as an external feature. It would be arrogant to think that you have some high all mighty power that allows you to degrade and demean other people. You don't. I've seen alot of your posts calling people disrepectful, and what exactly do you think your comments are?Telling someone they're nothing more than an object isn't showing respect. How can you know anything about their personality based on something like that?

I never said all men are only interested in that. I just stated most guys like that in females. Like I said I think it's okay for girls to wear make up because they aren't objecting themselves to mens desires and pleasure needs.

Now don't follow this up with you picking out my posts. I am simply stating the woman are objects. I see this is obviously a deep subject for you and apologize if I have offended you but i'm still sticking to what I say. You tell me not to judge and i'm not a judgemental person but when it comes to say a porno star getting implants I feel I have the right to judge and know that they are objects, because why else would they be getting the implants? Yeah they may get them to feel good about themselves but imo most of that is the though that they're pleasing the men.

Its really cool how you ignored parts of my post

And yes, every single thing you have said on this subject has been nothing but judgemental. Why is getting a boob job to impress men objectifying yourself, but wearing make up to impress men isnt? What do you think of girls who get braces? Thats a body altering procedure, they want straighter teeth to be prettier. Do you think they're making objects out of themselves too? And I picked out your posts because they were relevant, but I suppose it doesn't matter because you ignored the comments I made about them anyways.
why else would they be getting the implants?
Well, maybe you should ask someone with breast implants that before you make all kinds of hateful comments and assume things about them. And no, you haven't offended me. However, Im sure you've offended anyone with a boob job. Seriously, can you imagine how upsetting it would be to read about people saying all of these horrible things about you simply based on a physical feature. People you don't even know degrading you for no reason?

I don't know what your morals are, but I consider it wrong to judge people based on physical traits. Things like that don't matter. Im not going to judge someone based on any other physical trait like race, color or gender. Why would it be acceptable to judge someone based on them having breast implants? And by the way, no, you don't have the right to judge them. Judging someone on a physical trait would be discriminating and thats a hate crime if you were to ever act on what you say. However, if you find that to be acceptable behavior then thats your opinion, but there isn't any point in us discussing this further.

I actually had no idea what you were on about with those posts so I just didn't include them in the quote.

Everyone's views on breast implants are judgemental, even if you are saying they aren't objects.
Braces really doesn't have anything to do with what i'm saying, no wonder you aren't clearly understanding the whole "object" thing if you bring braces into it. You aren't recoming braces to meet mens sexual desires or whatever.
If people with breast implants are reading this (not the ones that get it done for medical reasons, cause i'm not talking about you) are actually reading this probabaly need to get out more because this is a forum and i'm obviously just one in a million with this view. Just like if I get offended if someone says something nasty that i've got. In my eyes i'm not being disrespetful, I don't need to say why as I've said it billions of times before that they are clearly objects.

Everyone is also somewhat judgemental but if a woman goes and gets breast implants, of course she has to accept she's going to get judged because that's probabaly what she's getting them done for. Just like people who wear make up want to improve there complexion and appearence infront of people.

Good day.

If you're going to be generalising, than so will I. Men hardly ever foreplay. Hainvg boobs is thus useless, unless they are for staring at. And that is what the face and smile and nails and etc. are for as well. So having nice boobs is pretty much the same as having a pretty face and manicured hands.

Pornogrpahy ... I dont like it really.
Its too fake and makes people who are virgins and get there kicks out of watching it think that thats how it will be in reality.

A decent man would not care about the breast size yes its a sexual thing but you dont need implants or a breast reduction. if the man thinks this than they arent worth the time of day.

Opheliac_666:

They ARE clearly objects to men.

So as soon as someone gets a boob job, that's it. BAM. No feelings any more, no emotions, the doctor cut them out.

Opheliac_666:

I actually had no idea what you were on about with those posts so I just didn't include them in the quote.

Everyone's views on breast implants are judgemental, even if you are saying they aren't objects.
Braces really doesn't have anything to do with what i'm saying, no wonder you aren't clearly understanding the whole "object" thing if you bring braces into it. You aren't recoming braces to meet mens sexual desires or whatever.
If people with breast implants are reading this (not the ones that get it done for medical reasons, cause i'm not talking about you) are actually reading this probabaly need to get out more because this is a forum and i'm obviously just one in a million with this view. Just like if I get offended if someone says something nasty that i've got. In my eyes i'm not being disrespetful, I don't need to say why as I've said it billions of times before that they are clearly objects.

Everyone is also somewhat judgemental but if a woman goes and gets breast implants, of course she has to accept she's going to get judged because that's probabaly what she's getting them done for. Just like people who wear make up want to improve there complexion and appearence infront of people.

Good day.

Last summer, I volunteered at a hospital, with a ward for cancer patients. There were a good six or seven women who had breast cancer and had to have their breasts removed. All of them were opting for plastic surgery to replace their breasts, not because of their husbands, but because they wanted to like what they saw in the mirror, be able to go shopping and buy normal tops and dresses and whatnot.

But according to you, wanting to have a shirt fit properly, not a lowcut shirt, nothing racy, just a normal button-up shirt, makes them objects.

I think that's incredibly insulting and ingnorant.

Anji:

If you're going to be generalising, than so will I. Men hardly ever foreplay. Hainvg boobs is thus useless, unless they are for staring at. And that is what the face and smile and nails and etc. are for as well. So having nice boobs is pretty much the same as having a pretty face and manicured hands.

I adore your ava.[/offtopic]

Opheliac_666:

I'm talking about the porno stars and whatnot that get breast implants. I'm calling them objects because they ARE.

No, they are most certainly not. Being a porn star does not make anyone an object. Your job does not equal who you are, just like breast/penile enhancements doesn't make you who you are.

SpiderPig:

Pornogrpahy ... I dont like it really.
Its too fake and makes people who are virgins and get there kicks out of watching it think that thats how it will be in reality.

Well, if you're watching very low grade stuff, yeah. But there actually are some pretty good ones if you know where to find them. Anyway, if they did advertise realistic sex, most virgins would be horrified and probably would decide to abstain.

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actually had no idea what you were on about with those posts so I just didn't include them in the quote.

Everyone's views on breast implants are judgemental, even if you are saying they aren't objects.
Braces really doesn't have anything to do with what i'm saying, no wonder you aren't clearly understanding the whole "object" thing if you bring braces into it. You aren't recoming braces to meet mens sexual desires or whatever.
If people with breast implants are reading this (not the ones that get it done for medical reasons, cause i'm not talking about you) are actually reading this probabaly need to get out more because this is a forum and i'm obviously just one in a million with this view. Just like if I get offended if someone says something nasty that i've got. In my eyes i'm not being disrespetful, I don't need to say why as I've said it billions of times before that they are clearly objects.

Everyone is also somewhat judgemental but if a woman goes and gets breast implants, of course she has to accept she's going to get judged because that's probabaly what she's getting them done for. Just like people who wear make up want to improve there complexion and appearence infront of people.

Good day.

..Well to be honest it really wasn't a complicated concept. Before, you said that looks didn't matter and you apologized to someone for being judgemental. Now, you're only judging someone based on their looks and nothing else. I brought those quotes up because I want to know why you're being so hypocritical.

There is a difference between forming an opinion and holding prejudices against people.Your opinion hurts people, and degrades them. If you want to go that route, then people are judgemental about race. Some people choose to ignore it because its not important, others choose to discriminate because of it. In this case, Im choosing to not judge someone based on a physical feature, while you're choosing to discriminate against them.

You don't feel you're being disrespectful? Im sure racist people don't consider calling people niggers and chinks disrespectful, but guess what? It is, its highly disrespectful and you're doing the exact same thing even if you won't admit to it.

And how do you know thats why people don't want braces? I know people who want braces to be prettier and more attractive to men, in fact thats why alot of people get braces. So yes, they are getting braces to meet sexual desires. Is having straight teeth a crime now too?

And know, you haven't explained why they're objects. You just keep saying things like "no they think and feel like objects and that's that." and "They ARE clearly objects", you haven't offered any real reasoning aside fromy our biased opinion.

Before you were saying wearing make up was different and didn't make people objects...now you're saying..."but if a woman goes and gets breast implants, of course she has to accept she's going to get judged because that's probabaly what she's getting them done for. Just like people who wear make up "
Soooo it went from being different to being just like getting a boob job? Which is it?

If people with breast implants are reading this (not the ones that get it done for medical reasons, cause i'm not talking about you) are actually reading this probabaly need to get out more because this is a forum
O_O Dude, you're posting on this forum too, so why are you telling them to get out more? Its a message board designed for posting and reading..unless you're insulting this message board and saying its wasting their time?

Opheliac_666:

No, guess not....
But they do do it for the men, because that's where most of it comes from them wanting to get a boob job.
That's why i'm saying that they're objects and i'm not going to think of them as anything else, no matter how much you insult me for thinking that.

Your argument really makes no sense, because tons of people wear make-up to look prettier for their man and you're also saying that doesn't make them an object.
And, you asked me if I knew what an object is, and well, let's see:
1. anything that is visible or tangible and is relatively stable in form.
Oh, gee, wait a second... that's almost everything, including every single human being in the world, boob job or no.

Anji:

SpiderPig:

Pornogrpahy ... I dont like it really.
Its too fake and makes people who are virgins and get there kicks out of watching it think that thats how it will be in reality.

Well, if you're watching very low grade stuff, yeah. But there actually are some pretty good ones if you know where to find them. Anyway, if they did advertise realistic sex, most virgins would be horrified and probably would decide to abstain.

Lol i just dont watch I watched it like once and that was that I dont like it