The Wolf Tones & Co. Influencing Violence?

As many of you may know, when people hear the word "Ireland",
the reaction in some situations are gasps, pity cries and even swear words.

Some words that are greatly related to Ireland are:
Violence.
IRA
IVF
UVF
Petrol Bombs.
Holy Cross.
Short Strand.

These words have become an important part of every Irish citizens vocabulary.

The issue that has recently been voiced within my group of friends,
is that of The Wolfe Tones.
If you are not familier with The Wolfe Tones. Here's a little information for you.

The wolfe tones are an Irish Rebel music band, named after the Irish patriot Theobald Wolfe Tone.
Brian Warfield, Noel Nagle and Tommy Byrne today remain.
The famous Derek Warfield departed the band under circumstances that are not known to this day.

Famous songs include :
Go on home British Soldiers.
You'll never beat the Irish.
Rock on Rock all.
Some say the devil is dead
&&
Celtic Symphony


The Wolfe Tones have been known to play gigs in Irish pubs and stir the crowd asunder.
Table dancing, croup singing, rebel cries and every other typical Irish reaction.

In todays world, the music has been deeply accepted by youths who listen to lyrics such as

Some say the devil is dead and buried in Killarney.
More say he rose again, more say he rose again,

More say he rose again

and joined the British army

and the reaction is shown below.


My greatest fear as that the rebel lyrics and songs of our land are taken further then the pubs.
Some people no longer see these lyrics as joyful, adventure filled tales that
we sing and cheer along to.
They see them as an excuse to cause trouble. They think these lyrics are
telling us to go out and relive what we are trying to fix : The Great Irish War.

My family are deeply associated with the works of Sinn Fein.

I find that these idiotic children who use The Wolfe Tones as an excuse for trouble
are the ones who will hold us back when our time comes.

They are a mockery.

I have lived all of my life under a traditional Irish roof.
I am a punk who believes in Anarchy of some form or another.
But I still love my country and my martyrs and the Wolfe Tones.

So I'm looking for your opinion.
Do you think the Irish Rebel songs are more trouble then they are worth?

I think they have the right to sing about whatever they want. Their music is an expression of themselves, and people will view it however they wish.

When people say Ireland I think of shamrocks, Oscar Wilde & Erin.


But anyways, you could say that rappers influence violence, that Hazel & Gretel influence cannibalism, you know, people get inspired by different things. To stop them singing would be against everyone right for free speech.

We have a singer in Croatia and a bunch of teenagers who are his followers because they love his lyrics that are full of nationalist shit. But no one can really stop him since in countries like Croatia, Ireland and every other that had ~problems~ in the past there will always be idiots who want some war, revenge or something else violent regardless of music.

a-dawg.:

What I find ironic is that Wolfe Tone was a Protestant, and was educated in England. Also, organisations like the United Irishmen fought to achieve equality for all, Unionist or Republican.

The problem with these songs is that a lot of idiots in Dublin, particularly on the Northside associate these songs with IRA imagery and slogans such as "LIVE CATHOLIC DIE CATHOLIC", which results in events such as the Love Ulster riots.

I finf people who live closer to the north boarder are more into the whole IRA thing and alot of people down the west are too.

When I think of the Wolfetones I think of being a jud and listening to songs like
Streets of New York and Let the People Sing.
Let the People Sing was my fave.
It went
"Let the people sing their stories and their songs
And the music of their native land
Their lullabies and battlecries and songs of hope and joy
So join us hand in hand
All across this ancient land
Throughout the test of time
It was music that kept their spirits free
Those songs of yours and of mine "

east infection.:

When people say Ireland I think of shamrocks, Oscar Wilde & Erin.


But anyways, you could say that rappers influence violence, that Hazel & Gretel influence cannibalism, you know, people get inspired by different things. To stop them singing would be against everyone right for free speech.

We have a singer in Croatia and a bunch of teenagers who are his followers because they love his lyrics that are full of nationalist shit. But no one can really stop him since in countries like Croatia, Ireland and every other that had ~problems~ in the past there will always be idiots who want some war, revenge or something else violent regardless of music.

Same here actually. Oh, and The Pogues.

When someone says "Ireland" I think of Lauren, not the violence or tension. It's not on the news so much over here any more tbh. You only hear about it every few months, and even then it's like "and finally, in Northern Ireland tonight...", not a major story.
As has been said, violence, misogyny and homophobia will always be in music probably, but it depends how you listen to the lyrics as to whether it'll have an affect on you or just pass over your head as a song. They've got the right to express it, so they will.

When someone says "Ireland" I think of good beer

mondo bongo.:

We have a singer in Croatia and a bunch of teenagers who are his followers because they love his lyrics that are full of nationalist shit.

I hate that guy Most of my friends love him,no idea why,but I cant stand him

Anyway.

I think most of those kids and teenagers that love bands/artists like that,have no idea what are they really singing about. Especially if the lyrics are about something that happened before they were born. They just think "Hey,this is something that pisses everyone off. It must be cool!"
If those kids see that other people have negative reactions to that kind of music,they will most probably like it.
Just the way it goes

mondo bongo.:

When people say Ireland I think of shamrocks, Oscar Wilde & Erin.

I was born in the North and lived in the South and have been up and down and in between. I really think that the scenario you are describing is just an excuse for people who are going to cause trouble anyway doing it in the name of patriotism. Yes, of course, you can feel passionately about your country, its past and the atrocities that were commited. But if people stay angry, hold grudges and prejeudices about the past, how are we going to work towards having a peaceful future?

I guess keep the songs, as a monument to the past, but don't resort to violence to try and fix past mistakes.