Sex with a minor - Karen Ellis jail sentence

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lisa1224
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June 20th, 2005 at 06:20am
Most Australian are familiar with the Karen Ellis story.. if not read on....
Karen Ellis was a high school PE teacher. She had an affair with a boy, who at the alledged time of the affair, was 15. He consented to the affair.. She at first walked free but then there was an appeal and she was sentenced to 22 months.
Was her sentence too weak?
On the other hand, In the mid to late 80's gavin Hopper had sex with a 14 year old girl (she says this wasn't consented to) and he recieved 6 years jail (Ithink). He was convicted only recently.
Was Karen Ellis let off easy because she is a female?
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June 20th, 2005 at 07:25am
I really dont know
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June 20th, 2005 at 09:13am
there are stories like that everywhere when people aren't put in jail. I think if you commit the crime you should do the time...
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June 20th, 2005 at 09:17am
yes i think she should of gone to jail thats too weak

its digusting
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June 20th, 2005 at 09:46am
In america theres this lady named Mary Kay Laturno(sp?) and she was a 6th
grade teacher and she had sex with one of here 11 year old students Villie Valuo(sp?)
anywho they did it a couple times and they were caught
well, she went to jail and she found out she was pregnant and stuff this happend in
the late 90's but anyways she ended up having 2 kids with him. She went to
jail for a couple of years and recently she got out and they also married
in like March or May..can't remember.
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June 20th, 2005 at 10:20am
lisa1224:
Most Australian are familiar with the Karen Ellis story.. if not read on....
Karen Ellis was a high school PE teacher. She had an affair with a boy, who at the alledged time of the affair, was 15. He consented to the affair.. She at first walked free but then there was an appeal and she was sentenced to 22 months.
Was her sentence too weak?
On the other hand, In the mid to late 80's gavin Hopper had sex with a 14 year old girl (she says this wasn't consented to) and he recieved 6 years jail (Ithink). He was convicted only recently.
Was Karen Ellis let off easy because she is a female?


It's a bit different though, in Hopper's case the girl was violated, he took advantage of her and she knew she was the victim, which she was. Ben Dunbar (that's the boys name, I sorta know him) on the other hand knows he pushed for the sex, he lusted after her and doesn't feel victimised at all. He WANTED it. The cases were under different circumstances. So I can't really say is it was unfair/if she got off easy.
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June 20th, 2005 at 12:07pm
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lisa1224:
Most Australian are familiar with the Karen Ellis story.. if not read on....
Karen Ellis was a high school PE teacher. She had an affair with a boy, who at the alledged time of the affair, was 15. He consented to the affair.. She at first walked free but then there was an appeal and she was sentenced to 22 months.
Was her sentence too weak?
On the other hand, In the mid to late 80's gavin Hopper had sex with a 14 year old girl (she says this wasn't consented to) and he recieved 6 years jail (Ithink). He was convicted only recently.
Was Karen Ellis let off easy because she is a female?


It's a bit different though, in Hopper's case the girl was violated, he took advantage of her and she knew she was the victim, which she was. Ben Dunbar (that's the boys name, I sorta know him) on the other hand knows he pushed for the sex, he lusted after her and doesn't feel victimised at all. He WANTED it. The cases were under different circumstances. So I can't really say is it was unfair/if she got off easy.


true, but they both commited a crime, it doesn't matter who pushed who, they had sex and he wasn't old enough...
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June 20th, 2005 at 12:42pm
the age of consent is 18 in america isnt it?
its only 16 here in the U.K thank god, you have to wait an extra 2 years for legal sex, oh well.

But, yeah real peedos should get longer in prison. Theres some wierdo 23 year old who fancies my 15 year old girlfriend so i had a go at him and he stopped.
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June 20th, 2005 at 02:19pm
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the age of consent is 18 in america isnt it?
its only 16 here in the U.K thank god, you have to wait an extra 2 years for legal sex, oh well.

But, yeah real peedos should get longer in prison. Theres some wierdo 23 year old who fancies my 15 year old girlfriend so i had a go at him and he stopped.


that's quite disturbing. some person got hold of my email address and started hitting me with propositions and went on about how he loved me and if i didnt agree to run away with him he was going to stalk me...that was scary...but it's all ok now!
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June 20th, 2005 at 02:25pm
But didn't the student WANT to have sex?
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June 20th, 2005 at 02:32pm
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But didn't the student WANT to have sex?


yer, but it's still illegal..
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June 20th, 2005 at 08:01pm
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But didn't the student WANT to have sex?


yer, but it's still illegal..
it should be THEIR choice if they want to have sex, but if it was rape or somthing...thats different
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June 21st, 2005 at 03:33am
Yeah but I'm pretty sure the story was that the chick was taken advantage of by hopper and it affected her in her life. The thing will Karen Ellis, she was sentenced in regards to the boys feeling on the matter too.... on the other hand he said the relationship didnt affect him when it seems it did as he moved out of home (correct me if I'm wrong on any of this)
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June 21st, 2005 at 06:37am
Karen Ellis seemed to have "lured" this boy into the relationship, but it was his choice. I don't think she should have got 22 months. I think she should have been walked free.
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June 21st, 2005 at 06:42am
I'm a bit confussed, is this topic saying about how long people who have sex with minors should be in prison? or is it asking if men and woman are being treated differently in the courts?
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June 21st, 2005 at 08:51am
Comrade182:
I'm a bit confussed, is this topic saying about how long people who have sex with minors should be in prison? or is it asking if men and woman are being treated differently in the courts?
yeah... its actually stupid. But if thats the law, then let them get on with it.
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June 21st, 2005 at 02:33pm
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i124q:
the age of consent is 18 in america isnt it?
its only 16 here in the U.K thank god, you have to wait an extra 2 years for legal sex, oh well.

But, yeah real peedos should get longer in prison. Theres some wierdo 23 year old who fancies my 15 year old girlfriend so i had a go at him and he stopped.


that's quite disturbing. some person got hold of my email address and started hitting me with propositions and went on about how he loved me and if i didnt agree to run away with him he was going to stalk me...that was scary...but it's all ok now!


there are a lot of sad, strange people out there......
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June 21st, 2005 at 05:26pm
she should have got a stronger sentance i mean we all go on about equality for men and women and a women shouldn't recieve a weak punishment because she's female!
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June 22nd, 2005 at 01:52am
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she should have got a stronger sentance i mean we all go on about equality for men and women and a women shouldn't recieve a weak punishment because she's female!
yeah, i agree...totaly...i wouldn't realy mind sittin in jail the same amount of years as any man, but only if i was realy like um...diserving it...well that would never happen, tho.. ok, i'm going off the topic, so, buh bye
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June 22nd, 2005 at 07:17am
eberneezer_egghead:
Comrade182:
I'm a bit confussed, is this topic saying about how long people who have sex with minors should be in prison? or is it asking if men and woman are being treated differently in the courts?
yeah... its actually stupid. But if thats the law, then let them get on with it.


That really didn't answer my question!
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