Umm no, aborting the baby isnt a consequence, it's aoviding the responability for your actions. Yeah, the causes are still the same 'where i am', people are having sex who shouldnt, it's simple as that, and abortion is the easy way out, and it's murder.
Ok I get it, you think its murder, you don't have to mention it in every argument. Thing is; I don't think its murder. I think having a child is a big deal, there's a lot of pain envolved in having it and bringing it up is a lot of resonablity and giving it away is also a big deal and I think people should be allowed to choose whether they want to go through that or not.
Also it not just as black and white as you're putting it, what if there are problems with the baby? Like it was going to be mentally and physically disabled and there's nothing that can be done. Do you still say it should be born? Even though it would be a vegtable? What sort of life is that? How is that humane?
You know what? You might be right and I might be wrong, maybe abortion is murder, but sometimes you gotta be cruel to be kind.
Umm no, aborting the baby isnt a consequence, it's aoviding the responability for your actions. Yeah, the causes are still the same 'where i am', people are having sex who shouldnt, it's simple as that, and abortion is the easy way out, and it's murder.
Ok I get it, you think its murder, you don't have to mention it in every argument. Thing is; I don't think its murder. I think having a child is a big deal, there's a lot of pain envolved in having it and bringing it up is a lot of resonablity and giving it away is also a big deal and I think people should be allowed to choose whether they want to go through that or not.
Also it not just as black and white as you're putting it, what if there are problems with the baby? Like it was going to be mentally and physically disabled and there's nothing that can be done. Do you still say it should be born? Even though it would be a vegtable? What sort of life is that? How is that humane?
You know what? You might be right and I might be wrong, maybe abortion is murder, but sometimes you gotta be cruel to be kind.
Ok, the mentally Ill statement was uncalled for. People have mental diabilities all the time and live lives and enjoy them, just because you have an issue that keeps you from functioning like everyone else is no reason that should not be allowed to live. Also, abortion's will not be given after 24 weeks, that's not legal. Most doctors won't allow abortion after 20 weeks, because it is dangerous. Around 6 months a a severe physical disability would become noticable, but some are not. And the example you giving, them being a "vegetable", if you're going to use an example like that, at least research the disease. I think you're talking about a structual defect, which would be something like them being born without a skeleton (which would result in death, period, but there is special procedures for that). Also, most paretns really don't know about birth defects, only a small percentage know that they are going to have children with birth defects before they are born.:
A small percentage of couples will learn through prenatal diagnosis that their baby has a birth defect. While this news can be devastating, prenatal diagnosis sometimes can improve the outlook for the baby. Advances in prenatal therapy now make it possible to treat some birth defects before birth. For example, biotin dependence and methylmalonic acidemia — two life-threatening inherited disorders of body chemistry — have been diagnosed by amniocentesis and treated in the womb, resulting in the births of healthy babies.
- My source
Alot of times, skeletal disorders are related to smoking, drinking, or drugs used during pregnancy. So in that case, it would be the mothers fault her child dies or is deformed. If the mother did everything in her power and followed all the guidelines, enviormental factors are usually responsable, and that is out of her control. This is especialy true in the Midwestern United States with all famring chemicals and pesticides. Genetics can also be to blame, but very rarely cause severe physical birth defects, however they do cause severe mental defects.
http://ibis-birthdefects.org/index.htm That is a Great site that talks about Birth Defects and what they do. Unless the Birth defect is fatal, the baby should be allowed to live, just because they're not the perfect child someone wanted is no reason to abort them.
Ok, the mentally Ill statement was uncalled for. People have mental diabilities all the time and live lives and enjoy them, just because you have an issue that keeps you from functioning like everyone else is no reason that should not be allowed to live. Also, abortion's will not be given after 24 weeks, that's not legal. Most doctors won't allow abortion after 20 weeks, because it is dangerous. Around 6 months a a severe physical disability would become noticable, but some are not. And the example you giving, them being a "vegetable", if you're going to use an example like that, at least research the disease. I think you're talking about a structual defect, which would be something like them being born without a skeleton
I was talking about a serious mental disablity, something that stops them from being able to survive without a lot of help.
And I wasn't actually talking about someone being born without a skeleton, that thought never even crossed me mind.
When I said vegtable I was talking about someone who is basically an empty shell only kept alive by machines.
It wouldn't have helped you more, the book would have been in French.
Tyler King For A Couple Of Days Age: - Gender: - Posts: 3067
June 2nd, 2006 at 05:22pm
Incubus:
Ok I get it, you think its murder, you don't have to mention it in every argument. Thing is; I don't think its murder. I think having a child is a big deal, there's a lot of pain envolved in having it and bringing it up is a lot of resonablity and giving it away is also a big deal and I think people should be allowed to choose whether they want to go through that or not.
Also it not just as black and white as you're putting it, what if there are problems with the baby? Like it was going to be mentally and physically disabled and there's nothing that can be done. Do you still say it should be born? Even though it would be a vegtable? What sort of life is that? How is that humane?
You know what? You might be right and I might be wrong, maybe abortion is murder, but sometimes you gotta be cruel to be kind.
so your saying its humane to kill someone because they have a disability?
Ok I get it, you think its murder, you don't have to mention it in every argument. Thing is; I don't think its murder. I think having a child is a big deal, there's a lot of pain envolved in having it and bringing it up is a lot of resonablity and giving it away is also a big deal and I think people should be allowed to choose whether they want to go through that or not.
Also it not just as black and white as you're putting it, what if there are problems with the baby? Like it was going to be mentally and physically disabled and there's nothing that can be done. Do you still say it should be born? Even though it would be a vegtable? What sort of life is that? How is that humane?
You know what? You might be right and I might be wrong, maybe abortion is murder, but sometimes you gotta be cruel to be kind.
so your saying its humane to kill someone because they have a disability?
My left foot is turn inward a bit...its considered a disability because I walk weird cause of it....
Ok I get it, you think its murder, you don't have to mention it in every argument. Thing is; I don't think its murder. I think having a child is a big deal, there's a lot of pain envolved in having it and bringing it up is a lot of resonablity and giving it away is also a big deal and I think people should be allowed to choose whether they want to go through that or not.
Also it not just as black and white as you're putting it, what if there are problems with the baby? Like it was going to be mentally and physically disabled and there's nothing that can be done. Do you still say it should be born? Even though it would be a vegtable? What sort of life is that? How is that humane?
You know what? You might be right and I might be wrong, maybe abortion is murder, but sometimes you gotta be cruel to be kind.
so your saying its humane to kill someone because they have a disability?
My left foot is turn inward a bit...its considered a disability because I walk weird cause of it....
should I be killed?
OMG you mean your not perfect? Well, society today is just sooooooo ]perfect and flawless We just can't allow anything that isnt in a superior state to live.
The fact that it's ok to kill imperfect things shows just how flawed society is.
Ok I get it, you think its murder, you don't have to mention it in every argument. Thing is; I don't think its murder. I think having a child is a big deal, there's a lot of pain envolved in having it and bringing it up is a lot of resonablity and giving it away is also a big deal and I think people should be allowed to choose whether they want to go through that or not.
Also it not just as black and white as you're putting it, what if there are problems with the baby? Like it was going to be mentally and physically disabled and there's nothing that can be done. Do you still say it should be born? Even though it would be a vegtable? What sort of life is that? How is that humane?
You know what? You might be right and I might be wrong, maybe abortion is murder, but sometimes you gotta be cruel to be kind.
so your saying its humane to kill someone because they have a disability?
My left foot is turn inward a bit...its considered a disability because I walk weird cause of it....
should I be killed?
OMG you mean your not perfect? Well, society today is just sooooooo ]perfect and flawless We just can't allow anything that isnt in a superior state to live.
The fact that it's ok to kill imperfect things shows just how flawed society is.
Nope...not perfect...not even close. Show me one person who is.
Matt Smith Admin Age: 33 Gender: Female Posts: 31134
June 2nd, 2006 at 05:30pm
Fuck_America:
Tyler:
so your saying its humane to kill someone because they have a disability?
My left foot is turn inward a bit...its considered a disability because I walk weird cause of it....
should I be killed?
No, but i'll tell you a story. My mum is a nurse who works with disabled people; one of the women she worked with waaay back she told me about once.
She was 33, had been given up for adoption as a baby. No family. She was disabled, couldn't move, talk, think, speak, eat, see, hear, nothing. She spent 33 years like that, before dying of an infection. 33 years of being in a vegetative state, feeling nothing. What kind of a life was that?. Should she have been left to rot alone in a care home bed for that long?.
so your saying its humane to kill someone because they have a disability?
My left foot is turn inward a bit...its considered a disability because I walk weird cause of it....
should I be killed?
No, but i'll tell you a story. My mum is a nurse who works with disabled people; one of the women she worked with waaay back she told me about once.
She was 33, had been given up for adoption as a baby. No family. She was disabled, couldn't move, talk, think, speak, eat, see, hear, nothing. She spent 33 years like that, before dying of an infection. 33 years of being in a vegetative state, feeling nothing. What kind of a life was that?. Should she have been left to rot alone in a care home bed for that long?.
no....I could see an abortion being aloud in that case.
But I think she was talking about like Down Syndrome and similar things.
There is a lady who works at a McDonalds nearby....She has Downs Syndrom. I'm so proud of her. she makes french fries and takes orders.
Her mother could have had an abortion....but instead she's doing something with her life
Kitti Falling In Love With The Board Age: 34 Gender: Female Posts: 5688
June 2nd, 2006 at 05:35pm
Bloodraine:
Fuck_America:
Tyler:
so your saying its humane to kill someone because they have a disability?
My left foot is turn inward a bit...its considered a disability because I walk weird cause of it....
should I be killed?
No, but i'll tell you a story. My mum is a nurse who works with disabled people; one of the women she worked with waaay back she told me about once.
She was 33, had been given up for adoption as a baby. No family. She was disabled, couldn't move, talk, think, speak, eat, see, hear, nothing. She spent 33 years like that, before dying of an infection. 33 years of being in a vegetative state, feeling nothing. What kind of a life was that?. Should she have been left to rot alone in a care home bed for that long?.
Let me ask you this:
What makes a human "human"?
The shape of a human? Human genes?
Or is it cognition, hope, passion, and emotion?
What kind of human lacks the compassion to give a person peace when they can do nothing, think nothing, and never live, love, or experience with the intensity of a human when we would do so for our pets?
so your saying its humane to kill someone because they have a disability?
My left foot is turn inward a bit...its considered a disability because I walk weird cause of it....
should I be killed?
No, but i'll tell you a story. My mum is a nurse who works with disabled people; one of the women she worked with waaay back she told me about once.
She was 33, had been given up for adoption as a baby. No family. She was disabled, couldn't move, talk, think, speak, eat, see, hear, nothing. She spent 33 years like that, before dying of an infection. 33 years of being in a vegetative state, feeling nothing. What kind of a life was that?. Should she have been left to rot alone in a care home bed for that long?.
They probably didn't know she would be "like that "(and I don't mean that in a cruel way) and thats why she was given up for adoption. Alot of birth defects can't be seen until birth. After the baby is born what should they have done? Killed it then? That truely would be murder.
NeoSteph Basket Case Age: 37 Gender: Female Posts: 16494
June 2nd, 2006 at 05:44pm
I_worship_tre_Cool:
Bloodraine:
Fuck_America:
Tyler:
so your saying its humane to kill someone because they have a disability?
My left foot is turn inward a bit...its considered a disability because I walk weird cause of it....
should I be killed?
No, but i'll tell you a story. My mum is a nurse who works with disabled people; one of the women she worked with waaay back she told me about once.
She was 33, had been given up for adoption as a baby. No family. She was disabled, couldn't move, talk, think, speak, eat, see, hear, nothing. She spent 33 years like that, before dying of an infection. 33 years of being in a vegetative state, feeling nothing. What kind of a life was that?. Should she have been left to rot alone in a care home bed for that long?.
They probably didn't know she would be "like that "(and I don't mean that in a cruel way) and thats why she was given up for adoption. Alot of birth defects can't be seen until birth. After the baby is born what should they have done? Killed it then? That truely would be murder.
and if it was 33 years ago it was in an age when the social stigma of abortion existed strongly and medicine to do with pre-natal was very basic, sot hey probably didn't realise the baby was severly handicapped.
if the child is going to live for less than a week because of the lack of an organ or essential bone, how is it humane to let them develop and go through all that pain? I'm against abortion if it's because the child's arm is messed up, but if it majorly effects the length of their life and they'll be in horrible pain, the most humane thing is to euthanize the child in the womb (also known as abortion )
if the child is going to live for less than a week because of the lack of an organ or essential bone, how is it humane to let them develop and go through all that pain? I'm against abortion if it's because the child's arm is messed up, but if it majorly effects the length of their life and they'll be in horrible pain, the most humane thing is to euthanize the child in the womb (also known as abortion )
Alot of times, even with medical tecnology today, we can't tell. And even if we can, we can't tell how bad.
if the child is going to live for less than a week because of the lack of an organ or essential bone, how is it humane to let them develop and go through all that pain? I'm against abortion if it's because the child's arm is messed up, but if it majorly effects the length of their life and they'll be in horrible pain, the most humane thing is to euthanize the child in the womb (also known as abortion )
Alot of times, even with medical tecnology today, we can't tell. And even if we can, we can't tell how bad.
there are new technologies that hospitals are getting that can help tell how bad the birth defects are (like 3D ultra sound machines). this has greatly increased the accuracy of the doc's when it comes to telling the condition of the child. (my parents are in the medical field, thats why I know this)
if the child is going to live for less than a week because of the lack of an organ or essential bone, how is it humane to let them develop and go through all that pain? I'm against abortion if it's because the child's arm is messed up, but if it majorly effects the length of their life and they'll be in horrible pain, the most humane thing is to euthanize the child in the womb (also known as abortion )
Alot of times, even with medical tecnology today, we can't tell. And even if we can, we can't tell how bad.
there are new technologies that hospitals are getting that can help tell how bad the birth defects are (like 3D ultra sound machines). this has greatly increased the accuracy of the doc's when it comes to telling the condition of the child. (my parents are in the medical field, thats why I know this)
I can find many, many sources that disgaree and say it's extremely hard to predict mental birth defects, and only extremely severe physical defects are noticable. a 3-d ultra sound machince can't detect missing chromozones or additional ones.
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