Lucifers Angel King For A Couple Of Days Age: - Gender: Female Posts: 4751
August 22nd, 2006 at 07:16pm
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I_worship_tre_Cool:
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I_worship_tre_Cool:
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I believe that a woman should have the option To end another living thing's life, which would soon become a human, because she doesnt want to deal with the consequences of her actions because she is not responsable of abortion
I think its sickly unfair to punish someone else for your own actions.
that is MY opinion
you have YOURS
i DO NOT think abortion and murder are the same things
accidents happen, some people are not ready to have a child
and adoption does not always take of that
and i do not appericate you adding to my post
I didnt add to your post or edit it, I put my opnion in it,
If you dont think its murder, fine whatever, I havent been brainwashed by society into thinking that way.
But it's still killing something because of your actions. You're punishing someone else for what you did. Justify that please?
something that young would not be able to think ... therfore it wouldn't know any different. its not like they've known about life and someone decides to murder them. no its not the same
and yes you DID edit my post, you could of stated your opinion UNDER Mine in YOUR post.
and i haven't been brainwashed by society, i think for myself and i've thought about obth sides of the argument and i've decided that abortion can be a good thing.
abortion is to me murder, and those doctors whp perform late abortions should be sent to prison, because i was reading a story just last night a dr did a late abortion and they put the BABY in a bucket and the baby was writhing around ath the bottom of the bucket, surely thats murder? Everyone has a right to life, women shold not end a life to deal with somthing they ave done, and also think about the dads what ifthey want the woman to kep the baby? Shouldnt they have a say? And also in some cases a woman will punish the dad by having an abortion,
something that young would not be able to think ... therfore it wouldn't know any different. its not like they've known about life and someone decides to murder them. no its not the same
and yes you DID edit my post, you could of stated your opinion UNDER Mine in YOUR post.
and i haven't been brainwashed by society, i think for myself and i've thought about obth sides of the argument and i've decided that abortion can be a good thing.
If I would have edited your post, it would no longer say the same thing
So you think age determines your right to life? So someone who is 20 has more of a right to life than someone who is 3 because they havent experienced it as long? Those are pretty twisted standards.
no, i meant as in fetus ... a 3 has experienced life
abortion is to me murder, and those doctors whp perform late abortions should be sent to prison, because i was reading a story just last night a dr did a late abortion and they put the BABY in a bucket and the baby was writhing around ath the bottom of the bucket, surely thats murder? Everyone has a right to life, women shold not end a life to deal with somthing they ave done, and also think about the dads what ifthey want the woman to kep the baby? Shouldnt they have a say? And also in some cases a woman will punish the dad by having an abortion,
i do think , its something that both people should have input
yes that is disgusting
and yeah there should be a limit as to when you can or can't have an abortion
you should alreadyknow whetther or not you want to have a kid ... beofre or once you find out not wait months and then decide
and waiting for sex isn't gonna change that, sex is pleasureable thing to many people...having a kid should NOT be conseqence espeically if they use protection.
some people hate the idea of being pregnant, its not about having the child afterward they jsut don't want to be pregnant for 9 months , they shouldn't have to give up sex because of that
something that young would not be able to think ... therfore it wouldn't know any different. its not like they've known about life and someone decides to murder them. no its not the same
and yes you DID edit my post, you could of stated your opinion UNDER Mine in YOUR post.
and i haven't been brainwashed by society, i think for myself and i've thought about obth sides of the argument and i've decided that abortion can be a good thing.
If I would have edited your post, it would no longer say the same thing
So you think age determines your right to life? So someone who is 20 has more of a right to life than someone who is 3 because they havent experienced it as long? Those are pretty twisted standards.
no, i meant as in fetus ... a 3 has experienced life
So then what you said only applies to some people in some cases? which would mean you have double standards. If it applies in that situation, it should apply to any age group. Who has the right to judge who is important enough to live and who isnt?
something that young would not be able to think ... therfore it wouldn't know any different. its not like they've known about life and someone decides to murder them. no its not the same
and yes you DID edit my post, you could of stated your opinion UNDER Mine in YOUR post.
and i haven't been brainwashed by society, i think for myself and i've thought about obth sides of the argument and i've decided that abortion can be a good thing.
If I would have edited your post, it would no longer say the same thing
So you think age determines your right to life? So someone who is 20 has more of a right to life than someone who is 3 because they havent experienced it as long? Those are pretty twisted standards.
no, i meant as in fetus ... a 3 has experienced life
So then what you said only applies to some people in some cases? which would mean you have double standards. If it applies in that situation, it should apply to any age group. Who has the right to judge who is important enough to live and who isnt?
i don't consider it the same thing
and i don't see it as a double standard
from the time you are born until you die - you've lived if someone kills yiou, yes i see it as murder
aa fetus on the other hand has not experienced any portion of life (in my opinion) therefore would not know anything concerning life - hasnt see the world
Lucifers Angel King For A Couple Of Days Age: - Gender: Female Posts: 4751
August 23rd, 2006 at 05:14am
Viva La Stupid:
Lucifers Angel:
abortion is to me murder, and those doctors whp perform late abortions should be sent to prison, because i was reading a story just last night a dr did a late abortion and they put the BABY in a bucket and the baby was writhing around ath the bottom of the bucket, surely thats murder? Everyone has a right to life, women shold not end a life to deal with somthing they ave done, and also think about the dads what ifthey want the woman to kep the baby? Shouldnt they have a say? And also in some cases a woman will punish the dad by having an abortion,
i do think , its something that both people should have input
yes that is disgusting
and yeah there should be a limit as to when you can or can't have an abortion
you should alreadyknow whetther or not you want to have a kid ... beofre or once you find out not wait months and then decide
and waiting for sex isn't gonna change that, sex is pleasureable thing to many people...having a kid should NOT be conseqence espeically if they use protection.
some people hate the idea of being pregnant, its not about having the child afterward they jsut don't want to be pregnant for 9 months , they shouldn't have to give up sex because of that
yeah sure they shoudnt have to go without sex, but there are pills, condoms and even injections that will help you stop getting pregnant and there is even the morning after pill,
Lucifers Angel King For A Couple Of Days Age: - Gender: Female Posts: 4751
August 23rd, 2006 at 06:18am
Scary Mhairi Scaring Kids:
spill_no_sick:
look at the last two posts
yeah
we're not debating anymore
we're saying "I believe"
so I'll go along and do that, but I'll also be realistic and fill in the "what if"s
I believe abortion is third degree assisted murder and should be treated that way
"well, what if it's rape"
the woman should only be allowed an abortion if she claims rape
if it is later found out that (there should always be a court case following the abortion) that it wasn't rape then she's placed in prison for third degree
"well what if the condom breaks?"
cigarette boxes say you may get cancer, birth control says it doesn't protect from STDs, the car commercial where a guy jumps off a cliff says, "don't try this at home", the condom boxes say they aren't 100% effective
read the tiny print
"what if she can't take care of the baby?"
orphanage
"what if she doesn't want to take care of the baby?"
orphanage
"but having a foster family is a horrible life, why would you want to put the baby through that you selfish, thoughtless, republican, Christian with an evil penis?"
the same reason the "secret police" don't go around killing all orphans and homeless (and look how Annie turned out
"but the world is overpopulated"
then let's hope that some one disagrees with it and we can start a war and cut the population
"but murdering something that isn't alive isn't as bad as murdering something that is alive"
you're so pro-"choice" and you're denying a baby so young it isn't even alive yet life? without its consent?
look, if you're for choices, then let's give the baby the choice to live
but by that time they're already alive and we can't legally kill them
"I still don't agree with you"
then say something that hasn't been said yet because I just told answered it
Personally after youve said that ive concluded your crazy.
JJ but seriously going to prison for having an abortion is just ridiculus. As for the "brainwashed by society" bit, id say it is you who has been brainwashed right? I think for myself, the majority of people where i live are very Anti-Abortion and im Pro-Choice. And please dont start spouting crap about how its stupid to say pro-choice.
Btw the part about society wasnt adressed to you personally.
i personally think that Spill_no_sick has got a good point, and i do not think she's crazy.
Lucifers Angel King For A Couple Of Days Age: - Gender: Female Posts: 4751
August 23rd, 2006 at 07:59am
Scary Mhairi Scaring Kids:
Neither do I, thats why i put the JJ part in there. And as for the adoption part there are so many kids left in orphanages. Do you really think that an orphanage would be a nice place to be? No, there not. Some people just arnt ready to have kids. I do disagree with some abortions. I wonder why people dont just take the morning after pill if you think you may be pregnant, of course you might have be drugged and not even realise that you had sex so thats an exception. I dont agree with abortion if its after 2 months of being pregnant or whenever the feotus starts having human features. But we're not debating on when a baby is a 'proper' baby. People who have abortions after rape need support as do most people who have abortions, some people just dont have the money and cant even look after themselves let alone a child. If i were to get pregnant now i would definately have an abortion, i havent even gotten a degree yet, i wouldnt be able to support myself and to bring a child into that situation is worng and worse than having an abortion. People who have sex with a condom and it breaks are not being irresponsible but at least they are trying to reduce the risk of having a baby. People who use abortions are birth control need help. That is definately wrong to do. But having one, because the condom broke, you got raped etc etc is your own personal choice and not someone elses. And yes the men should have a say but iltimately its the womens choice, its her body and if she doesnt want to go through 9 months of pain and/or have a child then she shouldnt have to.
Im sorry if ive offened anyone but that is my opinion.
there are countless of couples who are childless and are crieing out for children every day, and there are also lots of people who foster children, and why do you think that carrieing a child for nine months is a painfull thing? Because its not, ok you have morning sickness for the first two months but that does pass, and no ultimalty it should be the decision of both perants to decide what is best for them if the man says no please dont have an abortion then the woman should listen to him and ask herself if its the right thing to do, and how do we know that a fetous doesnt feel the pain of being ripped from the womb? we dont know and never will.
People here are saying that after a certain point, the fetus is now considered a human and should no longer be aborted. The fetus is in the same womb, it still composed of the same cells, that are still growing and living. It hasnt experienced anymore of life other than it grew.
Please explain to me why how it looks matter. "Oh, it looks more like a human now, I'd feel guilty killing it." Is that what you're trying to say?
No. You'd feel guilty killing 'it' anyway. But it is less likely to be able to feel when it is less developed.
Why does it matter if it can feel it? Taking something's life away is ok if they don't feel it?
Kitti Falling In Love With The Board Age: 35 Gender: Female Posts: 5688
August 23rd, 2006 at 08:20am
Scary Mhairi Scaring Kids:
spill_no_sick:
"I still don't agree with you"
then say something that hasn't been said yet because I just told answered it
Personally after youve said that ive concluded your crazy.
JJ but seriously going to prison for having an abortion is just ridiculus. As for the "brainwashed by society" bit, id say it is you who has been brainwashed right? I think for myself, the majority of people where i live are very Anti-Abortion and im Pro-Choice. And please dont start spouting crap about how its stupid to say pro-choice.
Btw the part about society wasnt adressed to you personally.
No. He makes a very valid point. Being a political minority doesn't make you someone who thinks for yourself by default, it makes you a glorified rebel.
You can go to prison here for accidental death if you had any responsibility in the situation. Abortion isn't accidental death. It is the willfull and intentional killing of a living thing (whether you believe it's a live human or not, the cells are alive) that would be a human under other circumstances. With the situation he's described, where abortion is acceptable in the case of rape is completely realistic and rational outside of that.
Otherwise, there are other options: birth control, condoms, the morning after pill. For women over thirty-five, a simple procedure that doesn't allow the egg to be fertilized.
If you can't accept the responsibility of having a child, whether you use protection of any kind; don't have sex.
There's no moral debate for abstinence. There are no risks for abstinence.
It is stupid to say pro-choice. You already made your choice. You had sex, something happened. It's not like "o noes a mosquito in the house kill it!!!!!!1" It's something that will develop into a human being.
At one point, I thought, yes, pro-choice. But no, the only time I've ever agreed with abortion is in the case of rape, or in a case where the mother's life is in danger carrying the child.
Kitti Falling In Love With The Board Age: 35 Gender: Female Posts: 5688
August 23rd, 2006 at 08:37am
Scary Mhairi Scaring Kids:
So if thats the case, why is it Ok to kill animals? And yes, ive already said that using protection is the best thing to do. but if you use protection and it doesnt work then getting an abortion asap is far lessa cruel than bringing an unwanted child into the world.
And to I_wroship_tre_cool
Yes its less cruel to kill something that cannot feel it because they wont even know. Theyre brain hasnt even developed so how can they possibly know anything? How can they feel anything?
People eat animals
We have laws against animal cruelty. We have laws that regulate hunting and fishing. When it comes down to it, we have to eat.
Unless you suggest we begin practicing cannibalism with aborted fetuses
Protection is not a guarantee. It's a preventative measure. Ultimately, if you are having sex, you better be ready to handle the eventual responsibility of having a child. Abortion is not a form of contraception.
Adoption is always an option. Thousands of couples in committed relationships can't have children. I'd say that there's no such thing as an unwanted child. Most children who are adopted can lead happy lives with their adoptive parents.
As for killing something that can't feel. How d'you know? A fetus has nerves. Nerves cause it to feel. It is possible for humans to recall the time they spent in the womb. Can't think? Can't feel? Bull.
Kitti Falling In Love With The Board Age: 35 Gender: Female Posts: 5688
August 23rd, 2006 at 10:06am
Scary Mhairi Scaring Kids:
No, im not suggesting canabalism... o.o
But i sure as hell no there are a lot of unwanted children. Many adoption places and orphanages are bursting at the seams. And if you look up somewhere i also said that abortion shouldnt be used as contracetpion.
If we were to make abortion illegal like it used to be then many people would be getting seriously injured having a 'diy' job. Also sometimes people need abortions for medical reasons. Why is ok for them then? Your life or your childs? Either way you never get to see it grow up. Ultimately having abortion legal prevents many deaths and illnesses. Plus it should be up to the mother on whether she wants to have a kid or not. it is a big responsibility... and as i have already said using condoms, the pill etc etc are good and if people practice safe sex there shouldnt be a need for abortions anyway. That would be good. I juzt think if you are at least trying to not get a girl/get pregnent then you should be able to have an abortion because you didnt want a kid, but not using contraception and then having an abortion as birth control is wrong.
Let me put it this way.
I'm sixteen, and I recently started driving. When I'm driving, I have a huge responsibility. No matter how safely I drive, no matter how safely other drivers handle their vehicles, there is still a very large, very real possibility that something bad could happen and someone could die.
I'd go to prison if I killed someone while driving, even if I was doing everything I could to drive safely.
Every time I drive, there is the possibility that something could happen. I accept that responsibility and realize that risk every time I turn on the ignition. Someone could die, and it could be my fault.
See, no matter how safe you try to be, there are extenuating circumstances that you are still responsible for, even if you've done everything within your control to prevent them.
Having protected sex, you can still get pregnant. True. But trying to prevent it doesn't mean it stops being your problem. You're still responsible, because you made the choice to have sex to begin with.
Being in real medical danger carrying a child is one thing. If you die before giving birth, the baby will die too. An abortion is a better way, one life rather than two.
However, there is the option of birth by cicerean. Some women can't bear a child naturally, and cicerean is a good alternative to that.
Just because adoption centers are bursting, doesn't mean that people should be able to kill babies. That's not right. "There's no room, so you're just going to have to abort that."
Doesn't sound very moral to me.
Brendon Urie.. King For A Couple Of Days Age: 38 Gender: Female Posts: 2394
August 29th, 2006 at 03:37am
I personally don't believe I could ever get an abortion, but I believe it should be legal. If you can't love a child, if you aren't emotionally able to carry a child to term, if you were raped, if it was incest ... there are so many cases in which I feel sympathy for the mother and would completely support her in her decision for an abortion.
I don't believe in abortion as birth control.
But just because it's legal doesn't mean you have to get an abortion. But if it's illegal, we have no choice. [That's what I told my father and it changed his stance on abortion.]
Lucifers Angel King For A Couple Of Days Age: - Gender: Female Posts: 4751
August 29th, 2006 at 06:58am
druscilla_nesser:
I personally don't believe I could ever get an abortion, but I believe it should be legal. If you can't love a child, if you aren't emotionally able to carry a child to term, if you were raped, if it was incest ... there are so many cases in which I feel sympathy for the mother and would completely support her in her decision for an abortion.
I don't believe in abortion as birth control.
But just because it's legal doesn't mean you have to get an abortion. But if it's illegal, we have no choice. [That's what I told my father and it changed his stance on abortion.]
but it is not only the mothers choice to make the father should have a say aswell,
They already made their Choice, they had sex and she got pregnant. They should not be allowed to kill something because of their mistake so that they can benifit.
Miss Katy Jackass Age: 37 Gender: Female Posts: 1041
August 29th, 2006 at 10:50am
I'm still on the fence about this whole issue.
I'm not entirely sure I'd have an abortion. Though I think that in some cases it can be right. For example if a woman became pregnant because she was raped, then I'd think she has the right to have an abortion. It can also be the lesser of two evils if the child is not going to be loved by either of the parents because they don't feel capable to look after him/her.
I'm not entirely sure I'd have an abortion. Though I think that in some cases it can be right. For example if a woman became pregnant because she was raped, then I'd think she has the right to have an abortion. It can also be the lesser of two evils if the child is not going to be loved by either of the parents because they don't feel capable to look after him/her.
I agree with you on the matter of abortion for rape.
As for the "they won't be loved", that could be true, in which case they should be put up for adoption or in the care of someone who would. Just because the parents wouldnt take responsabilty for their actions is no reason to take away someones one chance at life.
Lucifers Angel King For A Couple Of Days Age: - Gender: Female Posts: 4751
August 31st, 2006 at 06:19am
I_worship_tre_Cool:
Miss Katy:
I'm still on the fence about this whole issue.
I'm not entirely sure I'd have an abortion. Though I think that in some cases it can be right. For example if a woman became pregnant because she was raped, then I'd think she has the right to have an abortion. It can also be the lesser of two evils if the child is not going to be loved by either of the parents because they don't feel capable to look after him/her.
I agree with you on the matter of abortion for rape.
As for the "they won't be loved", that could be true, in which case they should be put up for adoption or in the care of someone who would. Just because the parents wouldnt take responsabilty for their actions is no reason to take away someones one chance at life.
i agre with you, there are loads and loads of couples out there who cant have children for one reason or another, the children should be adopted by them and given the child and family a chance at happiness, even in cases of rape i find it hard to see why you would want to have an abortion, its not the childs fault so why should they be punished, it wasnt they're fault.
Lucifers Angel King For A Couple Of Days Age: - Gender: Female Posts: 4751
August 31st, 2006 at 07:02am
my main problem with abortion is that many mistakes are made every year, which can leave the mum unable to have children later in life, and the child is somtimes borm alive to die at the bottom of a bucket, no one should have to go through that.
