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Bloodraine:

Robot:

Eating a dead fetus is a healthy part of a diet, which yes it is done.
I was saying it's been done for a long time, because that person said that eating cows has been done for a long time.
If you want healthy, birthing something that has turned into a baby is NOT healthy for you. Getting it removed before it is fully developed would be healthier.
Eating cows meat, and bi products from cows has been proven unhealthy many times.
Please don't just come in and be like "ITS RIGHT AND THATS WRONG BECAUSE I SAY SO"!
Your assumptions are completely unfactual.

No. That my children, is cannibalism and is frowned upon in many societies.

It is far from healthy. When a species consumes a member of its own species, bad stuff tends to happen. CJD in europe, anyone?. I chellenge you to find a dcotor who prescribes a freshly aborted foetus as a nourishing part of a healthy and blanced diet.

Methinks you are getting confused with Placenta consumption, which is particularly traditional in Chinese and Vietnamese culture.

My dog went retarded after eating its own baby. Or some dog baby I dont rightly know but yes it got sick and died after constantly staggering and bumping into things and falling down all the time.

I_worship_tre_Cool:

Sheepless and redundant:

Sperm doesn't look like a human yet, so according to your argument, you must be against male masturbation. It's a future child, after all.

Yeah, Sperm Doesnt look human because it has no potential at becoming a human life without sex, and a female egg. Sperm NEVER will develop into a human life, ever. It isnt a human life, they are just cells, like any cells on your body. However when it comes in contact with cells from another person, it is something else entirely. Now it is no longer "your cell", it is the life of something else that has potential to develop into a human being. When you make the choice to have sex, you have the potential to create something thats alive, a human. Despite whatever you want to sugar coat it and call it, what has been created are living human cells, and what do cells turn in to? PEOPLE.

Last Time I checked, the wrongful killing of something is muder. Now, lets define wrongful. I would say that killing something for your benifit is wrongful. You can not justify allowing someone else to pay for your actions with it's life. Thats cruel and its wrong.

Well, you've got me stuck, good job. But I still support abortion 100%

I_worship_tre_Cool:

Sheepless and redundant:

Sperm doesn't look like a human yet, so according to your argument, you must be against male masturbation. It's a future child, after all.

Yeah, Sperm Doesnt look human because it has no potential at becoming a human life without sex, and a female egg. Sperm NEVER will develop into a human life, ever. It isnt a human life, they are just cells, like any cells on your body. However when it comes in contact with cells from another person, it is something else entirely. Now it is no longer "your cell", it is the life of something else that has potential to develop into a human being. When you make the choice to have sex, you have the potential to create something thats alive, a human. Despite whatever you want to sugar coat it and call it, what has been created are living human cells, and what do cells turn in to? PEOPLE.

Last Time I checked, the wrongful killing of something is muder. Now, lets define wrongful. I would say that killing something for your benifit is wrongful. You can not justify allowing someone else to pay for your actions with it's life. Thats cruel and its wrong.

What defines being human?
What things do people do that make them human?
People are capable of doing things on their own. They learn all the time...etc
what would you compare a fetus to, a leech. It is inactive inside of it's mothers stomach leeching off of her. It isn't learning anything, it's movements are less than minimal, it's force-fed. A born baby, is learning, constantly doing something, not being fed through a tube.

I wouldn't agree with your idea of wrongful. I can think of many examples that would contradict that. Political reasons, defense, animals...etc

Robot:

I_worship_tre_Cool:

Sheepless and redundant:

Sperm doesn't look like a human yet, so according to your argument, you must be against male masturbation. It's a future child, after all.

Yeah, Sperm Doesnt look human because it has no potential at becoming a human life without sex, and a female egg. Sperm NEVER will develop into a human life, ever. It isnt a human life, they are just cells, like any cells on your body. However when it comes in contact with cells from another person, it is something else entirely. Now it is no longer "your cell", it is the life of something else that has potential to develop into a human being. When you make the choice to have sex, you have the potential to create something thats alive, a human. Despite whatever you want to sugar coat it and call it, what has been created are living human cells, and what do cells turn in to? PEOPLE.

Last Time I checked, the wrongful killing of something is muder. Now, lets define wrongful. I would say that killing something for your benifit is wrongful. You can not justify allowing someone else to pay for your actions with it's life. Thats cruel and its wrong.

What defines being human?
What things do people do that make them human?
People are capable of doing things on their own. They learn all the time...etc
what would you compare a fetus to, a leech. It is inactive inside of it's mothers stomach leeching off of her. It isn't learning anything, it's movements are less than minimal, it's force-fed. A born baby, is learning, constantly doing something, not being fed through a tube.

I wouldn't agree with your idea of wrongful. I can think of many examples that would contradict that. Political reasons, defense, animals...etc

Without the mother the fetus inside could not live. Without food humans could not live. What if humans became inactive? Would they not be humans? Like[some] disabled people have to be fed through tubes, should we just kill them? Without clear knowledge if they can ever get better. Take away they're chance? I dont know if Im Pro on Anti. I dont want anything to be killed even if it has potential for being alive not a fly not a teeny little bug. You're prolly going to ask if I eat meat or something idk. I dont want anything to die without it living its course. :/

Sheepo@_@:

Robot:

I_worship_tre_Cool:

Sheepless and redundant:

Sperm doesn't look like a human yet, so according to your argument, you must be against male masturbation. It's a future child, after all.

Yeah, Sperm Doesnt look human because it has no potential at becoming a human life without sex, and a female egg. Sperm NEVER will develop into a human life, ever. It isnt a human life, they are just cells, like any cells on your body. However when it comes in contact with cells from another person, it is something else entirely. Now it is no longer "your cell", it is the life of something else that has potential to develop into a human being. When you make the choice to have sex, you have the potential to create something thats alive, a human. Despite whatever you want to sugar coat it and call it, what has been created are living human cells, and what do cells turn in to? PEOPLE.

Last Time I checked, the wrongful killing of something is muder. Now, lets define wrongful. I would say that killing something for your benifit is wrongful. You can not justify allowing someone else to pay for your actions with it's life. Thats cruel and its wrong.

What defines being human?
What things do people do that make them human?
People are capable of doing things on their own. They learn all the time...etc
what would you compare a fetus to, a leech. It is inactive inside of it's mothers stomach leeching off of her. It isn't learning anything, it's movements are less than minimal, it's force-fed. A born baby, is learning, constantly doing something, not being fed through a tube.

I wouldn't agree with your idea of wrongful. I can think of many examples that would contradict that. Political reasons, defense, animals...etc

Without the mother the fetus inside could not live. Without food humans could not live. What if humans became inactive? Would they not be humans? Like[some] disabled people have to be fed through tubes, should we just kill them? Without clear knowledge if they can ever get better. Take away they're chance? I dont know if Im Pro on Anti. I dont want anything to be killed even if it has potential for being alive not a fly not a teeny little bug. You're prolly going to ask if I eat meat or something idk. I dont want anything to die without it living its course. :/

That's different, most disables people had been at one time capable of doing things. They do learn, and do things even though they're disabled.
A fetus, as I said does not have the capability of learning. If you removed a fetus around the time you'd have an abortion, it would die...you couldn't teach it stuff...you wouldn't be able to raise it and have it play basketball.
It wouldn't have the chance to become disabled.

I say, If you have sex without a condom and you know that you were having sex, then you got pregnant then I say don't get an abortion. Because it's most of the time your fault that you did'nt use a condom.

But if you were raped or something else along those lines by all means in my opinion, get an abortion. It's not your fault anyway. You did'nt mean for it to happen, you could be a teenager.

Melissa.:

I say, If you have sex without a condom and you know that you were having sex, then you got pregnant then I say don't get an abortion. Because it's most of the time your fault that you did'nt use a condom.

But if you were raped or something else along those lines by all means in my opinion, get an abortion. It's not your fault anyway. You did'nt mean for it to happen, you could be a teenager.

What if they were using a condom and it broke? What if they were taking precautions to be safe and she still got pregnant?

Would you rather have a baby be born where it's not going to get everything it needs and deserves as a child?

I don't know why people think they can make decisions for other people. Especially when they don't know the situations.

fancy pants:

Melissa.:

I say, If you have sex without a condom and you know that you were having sex, then you got pregnant then I say don't get an abortion. Because it's most of the time your fault that you did'nt use a condom.

But if you were raped or something else along those lines by all means in my opinion, get an abortion. It's not your fault anyway. You did'nt mean for it to happen, you could be a teenager.

What if they were using a condom and it broke? What if they were taking precautions to be safe and she still got pregnant?

Would you rather have a baby be born where it's not going to get everything it needs and deserves as a child?

I don't know why people think they can make decisions for other people. Especially when they don't know the situations.

I don't know, that and rape are the main situations handed to us (by the way, can anyone find nonbiased facts on the percentage of condom breakages ending in pregnancy?...just wondering

and a lot of murders are done in extreme situations, doesn't make them any less murderous
in regards of taking precautions, I'll use the words of Kitti (she's just too much smarter than me, I'm glad she's on my side or I'd be screwed):

"I drive now, and when I drive I take the risk of crashing even if I'm obbeying all of the laws."

same thing with abortion, you take a responsibility even if you are very responsible

Robot:

What defines being human?
What things do people do that make them human?
People are capable of doing things on their own. They learn all the time...etc
what would you compare a fetus to, a leech. It is inactive inside of it's mothers stomach leeching off of her. It isn't learning anything, it's movements are less than minimal, it's force-fed. A born baby, is learning, constantly doing something, not being fed through a tube.

I wouldn't agree with your idea of wrongful. I can think of many examples that would contradict that. Political reasons, defense, animals...etc

My definition of Human is based On Scientifical Facts. Human Cells, Human Anatomy and Human DNA.... mean you're a human.

A New Born Baby would die instantly without the aid of it's mom. What makes that different than a Fetus?

And Tell me what contradicts "You can not justify allowing someone else to pay for your actions with it's life. Thats cruel and its wrong." You were pretty vauge their. Self Defense certainly wouldnt contradict that. They would be paying for thier own actions then, not yours.

spill_no_sick:

I don't know, that and rape are the main situations handed to us (by the way, can anyone find nonbiased facts on the percentage of condom breakages ending in pregnancy?...just wondering

Here are several Statistics I think need to be posted in here. People are acting as if Comdoms are the worst, most unuseful invention ever. They do work the majority of the time...
None of the sites I got the information off of are abortion related sites to the best of my knowledge, just health sites. I didnt read every single thing on them though, so if someone sees differently, please tell.

Condom breakage occurred in approximately 1 out of 100 acts of intercourse using condoms, with a lifetime breakage rate of 10 per 1000 condom uses and a past year breakage rate of 8 per 1000 condom uses. Breakage rates did not differ substantially by age. Five percent of the women's unplanned pregnancies were attributed to broken condoms

So There, 95% of accidental pregnancies are not from broken condoms.

Also, you need to note that Studies differ a few percentages (not so much for pregnancy, but for the actual breakage rate) Either way, almost every statistic I saw was under 5% percent, but I only looked on 5 ort 6 sites, but I gurantee you any unbiased will have nothing more than 8%. Out of all the sites I was on, I liked this one the best because it didnt give you one statistic and claim it to be the unbeatable truth, it compared it with others and averaged and.. Just read it, you'll become smarter.
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3634/is_199405/ai_n8711161/pg_1

Sheepless and redundant:

Lucifers Angel:

I_worship_tre_Cool:

Feeling this!:

... maybe they don't want to give a birth?

Maybe they need to get over it because nothing gives you the right to kill something else for your benifit.

They Had Sex, now they're pregnant. When they chose to have sex, they were all risking having to give Birth. Thats just how it works.

thankyou thats what i think aswell, how do we know that the feotus doesnt feel anything when they are ripped from the warm and safe womb?

Actually, we do know that, and it doesn't feel anything until four months. And no one has an abortion after even three months.

how do you know without a shadow of a doubt?

Lucifers Angel:

Sheepless and redundant:

Lucifers Angel:

I_worship_tre_Cool:

Feeling this!:

... maybe they don't want to give a birth?

Maybe they need to get over it because nothing gives you the right to kill something else for your benifit.

They Had Sex, now they're pregnant. When they chose to have sex, they were all risking having to give Birth. Thats just how it works.

thankyou thats what i think aswell, how do we know that the feotus doesnt feel anything when they are ripped from the warm and safe womb?

Actually, we do know that, and it doesn't feel anything until four months. And no one has an abortion after even three months.

how do you know without a shadow of a doubt?

Ummm, firstly, yes pleanty of people do have abortions after three months.

Second, you risk becoming pregnant, but you don't choose to, or you prefer not. Have any of you had sex before? It's gone from its animal kingdom ties now. Now a days we don't have a soul purpose in this life but to reproduce. We can love! And it is a glorious feeling! And boy do we want to share it with the person we love. So what is wrong with not wanting a baby? Sex can just be a form of love, not reproduction? Can't it?

I_worship_tre_Cool:

spill_no_sick:

I don't know, that and rape are the main situations handed to us (by the way, can anyone find nonbiased facts on the percentage of condom breakages ending in pregnancy?...just wondering

Here are several Statistics I think need to be posted in here. People are acting as if Comdoms are the worst, most unuseful invention ever. They do work the majority of the time...
None of the sites I got the information off of are abortion related sites to the best of my knowledge, just health sites. I didnt read every single thing on them though, so if someone sees differently, please tell.

Condom breakage occurred in approximately 1 out of 100 acts of intercourse using condoms, with a lifetime breakage rate of 10 per 1000 condom uses and a past year breakage rate of 8 per 1000 condom uses. Breakage rates did not differ substantially by age. Five percent of the women's unplanned pregnancies were attributed to broken condoms

So There, 95% of accidental pregnancies are not from broken condoms.

Also, you need to note that Studies differ a few percentages (not so much for pregnancy, but for the actual breakage rate) Either way, almost every statistic I saw was under 5% percent, but I only looked on 5 ort 6 sites, but I gurantee you any unbiased will have nothing more than 8%. Out of all the sites I was on, I liked this one the best because it didnt give you one statistic and claim it to be the unbeatable truth, it compared it with others and averaged and.. Just read it, you'll become smarter.
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3634/is_199405/ai_n8711161/pg_1

Actually more like once in 116 times. Useless facts book.

...I support that quotable figure...

Anji:

Lucifers Angel:

Sheepless and redundant:

Lucifers Angel:

I_worship_tre_Cool:

Feeling this!:

... maybe they don't want to give a birth?

Maybe they need to get over it because nothing gives you the right to kill something else for your benifit.

They Had Sex, now they're pregnant. When they chose to have sex, they were all risking having to give Birth. Thats just how it works.

thankyou thats what i think aswell, how do we know that the feotus doesnt feel anything when they are ripped from the warm and safe womb?

Actually, we do know that, and it doesn't feel anything until four months. And no one has an abortion after even three months.

how do you know without a shadow of a doubt?

Ummm, firstly, yes pleanty of people do have abortions after three months.

Second, you risk becoming pregnant, but you don't choose to, or you prefer not. Have any of you had sex before? It's gone from its animal kingdom ties now. Now a days we don't have a soul purpose in this life but to reproduce. We can love! And it is a glorious feeling! And boy do we want to share it with the person we love. So what is wrong with not wanting a baby? Sex can just be a form of love, not reproduction? Can't it?

i am not saying dont show your love for each other, that would be unrealistic, but if you fall pregnant and you abort a child, (to me once you are pregnant you are carrieng a child) why should that child have to suffer for your selfishness? Abortion is a form of legalised murder, and it is becomming more and more accepted by society which is sad, i know a woman who has has 6 abortions and she uses them has a form of contraception, that is wrong.

and yes i have had sex before i have got 3 lovely children with 2 of them the docs told me to abort them because they would have been born disabled but i didnt and they are healthy, apart from the ADHD and other not serious mental disorders, should i have just thrown that away?

Lucifers Angel:

Anji:

Lucifers Angel:

Sheepless and redundant:

Lucifers Angel:

I_worship_tre_Cool:

Feeling this!:

... maybe they don't want to give a birth?

Maybe they need to get over it because nothing gives you the right to kill something else for your benifit.

They Had Sex, now they're pregnant. When they chose to have sex, they were all risking having to give Birth. Thats just how it works.

thankyou thats what i think aswell, how do we know that the feotus doesnt feel anything when they are ripped from the warm and safe womb?

Actually, we do know that, and it doesn't feel anything until four months. And no one has an abortion after even three months.

how do you know without a shadow of a doubt?

Ummm, firstly, yes pleanty of people do have abortions after three months.

Second, you risk becoming pregnant, but you don't choose to, or you prefer not. Have any of you had sex before? It's gone from its animal kingdom ties now. Now a days we don't have a soul purpose in this life but to reproduce. We can love! And it is a glorious feeling! And boy do we want to share it with the person we love. So what is wrong with not wanting a baby? Sex can just be a form of love, not reproduction? Can't it?

i am not saying dont show your love for each other, that would be unrealistic, but if you fall pregnant and you abort a child, (to me once you are pregnant you are carrieng a child) why should that child have to suffer for your selfishness? Abortion is a form of legalised murder, and it is becomming more and more accepted by society which is sad, i know a woman who has has 6 abortions and she uses them has a form of contraception, that is wrong.

and yes i have had sex before i have got 3 lovely children with 2 of them the docs told me to abort them because they would have been born disabled but i didnt and they are healthy, apart from the ADHD and other not serious mental disorders, should i have just thrown that away?

Actually...I wasn't talking to you. But, whatever. Anyway, if I were to become pregnant in my life right now, I could abort it, and the child would 'suffer'. Or the child could lead a life of complete poverty, with no money for me to provide a school for, no house to live in probably. And resort to things like prostitution or drug dealing. So abortion can be neccessary in some circumstances. But yeah, six abortions, 'just because' isn't something that should be allowed I guess.

No, abortion is never neccessary, ever. Adoption, just because you can't care for the child doesnt mean it deserves to die, everything deserves a fair channce at life. There are children now living in poverty, should we kill them off? No, they still deserve to live.

I_worship_tre_Cool:

No, abortion is never neccessary, ever. Adoption, just because you can't care for the child doesnt mean it deserves to die, everything deserves a fair channce at life. There are children now living in poverty, should we kill them off? No, they still deserve to live.

well said!! everyone has a fair chance at life, there are always other options open to people than getting a dr to kill a child, or to go home and stick two knitting needles up yourself (which is done a fair bit in britain more than i care to admit)

Lucifers Angel:

I_worship_tre_Cool:

No, abortion is never neccessary, ever. Adoption, just because you can't care for the child doesnt mean it deserves to die, everything deserves a fair channce at life. There are children now living in poverty, should we kill them off? No, they still deserve to live.

well said!! everyone has a fair chance at life, there are always other options open to people than getting a dr to kill a child, or to go home and stick two knitting needles up yourself (which is done a fair bit in britain more than i care to admit)

I think that rape should be a special case though

spill_no_sick:

Lucifers Angel:

I_worship_tre_Cool:

No, abortion is never neccessary, ever. Adoption, just because you can't care for the child doesnt mean it deserves to die, everything deserves a fair channce at life. There are children now living in poverty, should we kill them off? No, they still deserve to live.

well said!! everyone has a fair chance at life, there are always other options open to people than getting a dr to kill a child, or to go home and stick two knitting needles up yourself (which is done a fair bit in britain more than i care to admit)

I think that rape should be a special case though

yeah rape should be a special case.
cos some women find everytime they look at there child it reminds them of there ordeal they went through.
and the pain it caused them.
and sometimes the kids wanna meet the father or something.
so yeah rape should be a special case

Well I think abortion is all right if you HAVE to do it. Like rape and sometimes people get sick and have to get an abortion or it would hurt them and the child. But just getting an abortion because you don't want a child is wrong.