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I think women deserve a choice.
I personaly don't think I would ever have one but if the circumstance arose I would like to be able to choose.
It is, however, still illegal in Ireland.
But exceptions are made under extreme circumstances.

the dobious character:

If it was rape, or a case where it could kill the mother, that's one thing, but if you choose not to use a condom and/or birth contol, then you should not have had sex in the first place, but if they doen't have enough money, give the baby to a relative, while you try to make money to support yourself and the child. And instead of having an abortion, you could give the embreo up for stem cell research that will save peoples' lives. If it does happen, it just means that it wasn't ready to be born. Also, it could end up being the best thing that ever happened to you. Also, its not fair to all the women who can't have children, so there is adoption. My grandmother had my dad at 17, got pregnate at 16, had her parents raise him for 5 years while she finished her education. The father never helped and she never married her baby's father, and put her parents through that type of situation, humiliation, and work is shocking.

I agree with the first 4 sentences you said.

Sheepless and redundant:

I_worship_tre_Cool:

Boobmeister:

Even if you don't agree with abortion, shouldn't women have at least the choice to have one?

I Dont think anyone should have the right to kill something for their benifit.

There's still no proof that it's actually life yet =/

If something doesn't have a beating heart yet, or even lungs, I consider it not alive.

Well abortions are allowed up until week 24 (in Britian at least) yet its between week 10-12 that a baby developes a neverous system. The fetus can actually feel when its being cut to bits. Personally I'd call that alive.

But don't get me wrong, I'm not against abortion itself, I just find it sickening that by this day and age we don't have more humane methods of carrying it out.

I know that some people think that it's immoral, but I'm all for it... I mean, if you don't want a baby - and some people do use contraception to not get pregnant but it doesn't always work - then you should be able to choose. I know the baby's alive but it's more important that the mother stays alive - if she can't function with a baby then she could become suicidal etc. I don't count it as being alive because although it has a nervous system, the mother is keeping it alive.

Fat Achilles:

I know that some people think that it's immoral, but I'm all for it... I mean, if you don't want a baby - and some people do use contraception to not get pregnant but it doesn't always work - then you should be able to choose. I know the baby's alive but it's more important that the mother stays alive - if she can't function with a baby then she could become suicidal etc. I don't count it as being alive because although it has a nervous system, the mother is keeping it alive.

So what, you think babies are dead until they're born?
True it does need it's mother to survive but that doesn't mean it isn't alive. Living things are defined as being capable of growth, reproduction, excertion, respiration and metabolism.

Fat Achilles:

I know that some people think that it's immoral, but I'm all for it... I mean, if you don't want a baby - and some people do use contraception to not get pregnant but it doesn't always work - then you should be able to choose. I know the baby's alive but it's more important that the mother stays alive - if she can't function with a baby then she could become suicidal etc. I don't count it as being alive because although it has a nervous system, the mother is keeping it alive.

if the woman if sure that she doesnt want children at all then she could always have a sterliszation which is a day case operation and also she could use the coil or even the implants which are ok not 100% but they are 99%, unless of course she goes for the sterliszation which is 100%. So there is no need to get pregnant when you are 100% sure that you dont want children.

Also the day i found out i was pregnant with my youngest i had my sterliszation date through and then there was complications with the baby and i never not once consider having an abortion.

Lucifers Angel:

Fat Achilles:

I know that some people think that it's immoral, but I'm all for it... I mean, if you don't want a baby - and some people do use contraception to not get pregnant but it doesn't always work - then you should be able to choose. I know the baby's alive but it's more important that the mother stays alive - if she can't function with a baby then she could become suicidal etc. I don't count it as being alive because although it has a nervous system, the mother is keeping it alive.

if the woman if sure that she doesnt want children at all then she could always have a sterliszation which is a day case operation and also she could use the coil or even the implants which are ok not 100% but they are 99%, unless of course she goes for the sterliszation which is 100%. So there is no need to get pregnant when you are 100% sure that you dont want children.

Also the day i found out i was pregnant with my youngest i had my sterliszation date through and then there was complications with the baby and i never not once consider having an abortion.

I was thinking that when you're too young to handle a baby, and you want children in the future (although abortion can sometimes lead to impotence - is that the right word? ) but if you had a kid now you'd be unable to cope emotionally, mentally and physically. Maybe I'm not mature enough for this topic...

Fat Achilles:

I know that some people think that it's immoral, but I'm all for it... I mean, if you don't want a baby - and some people do use contraception to not get pregnant but it doesn't always work - then you should be able to choose. I know the baby's alive but it's more important that the mother stays alive - if she can't function with a baby then she could become suicidal etc. I don't count it as being alive because although it has a nervous system, the mother is keeping it alive.

then again, from birth to ten years old can the child really live without the mother?
is it okay to kill a newborn because it's useless without the mother

honestly, rape is a scenario it should be allowed, but all these other excuses just seem like...well....excuses, you know, if you present a few scenarios you're able to get that safety ticket to where you have a plan B for your actions...it's fucking wrong

i personally couldn't go through it, i couldn't help but think i was killing an innocent being. but that is just me personal view and that is not to say that i am totally against it.
i am 100% against abortion being used simply as a form of birth control for no reson other than stupidity by those involved.
For starters i don't think that they should be done just for any one, only those in specific circumstances, eg. if the mother is at risk, or rape etc as it has been highlighted in the replies before mine.

Secondly i don't think that the world can afford to outlaw abortions because if this does happen than the amount of children put up for adoption will rise incredible and it is quite shocking the amount of children who spend there youth living in government care facilities. I don't think the world could successfully cope, if instead of getting an abortion all those women put their children up for adoption. it just wouldn't be fair on the innocent children.

Also if they were outlawed i think that people would try and practice there own ways of aborting the foetus, which could only end bad.

Thirdly i think we are lucky with the way our medical science is forever evolving, so pretty soon there will probably be a form of birth control invented which is 100 per cent effective and availiable to any women no matter what their financial status may be. for all we know they could be doing the clinical testing of one right now. ( lets hope this would also put an end to the large amount of fourteen year old CHILDREN walking around my town with babies).

People should simply be smart enough to prevent unplanned pregnancies, seriously everyone knows where babies come from, so we should all know how to prevent it.

me, myself and i:

Secondly i don't think that the world can afford to outlaw abortions because if this does happen than the amount of children put up for adoption will rise incredible and it is quite shocking the amount of children who spend there youth living in government care facilities. I don't think the world could successfully cope, if instead of getting an abortion all those women put their children up for adoption. it just wouldn't be fair on the innocent children.

What gives the children already in adoption centers the right to live, but Children that could be saved by outlawing abortion don't have that right. Nothing gives anyone else the right to choose who lives and who dies. Killing something for your own personal benifit is sick and wrong.

I am for abortion. I know that people say its a murder, but its not like you give birth to a baby and then kill it. It happens when its still not developed. I think women need to have the right to choose. What if someone rapes you and you give birth to that child. Its just not possible to love him/her. That kid wont be raised well, he wont have the love. Is it right for someone to live that way? You can give him for adoption, but you dont know what could happen with him. Thats why abortion should be leaglized in my opinion. Its not ours to judge over someone elses life, but if you think that way then using contraception could seem like stopping someone to get born and canceling someones life too.

[Bittersweet] cant fail:

I am for abortion. I know that people say its a murder, but its not like you give birth to a baby and then kill it. It happens when its still not developed. I think women need to have the right to choose. What if someone rapes you and you give birth to that child. Its just not possible to love him/her. That kid wont be raised well, he wont have the love. Is it right for someone to live that way? You can give him for adoption, but you dont know what could happen with him. Thats why abortion should be leaglized in my opinion. Its not ours to judge over someone elses life, but if you think that way then using contraception could seem like stopping someone to get born and canceling someones life too.

Half of that arguement was completely false. Abortion doesnt happen when the baby isnt developed, it happens when its in the proccess of developing. I find it very shallow that morals don't kick in until it actually looks like a baby. People do have children they concieved while begin raped and they do love them, thats a personl matter that you can't lable so easily as you just did.

Adoption is not the horrible thing you all like to make it out to be. Regardless of if other kids are in there, that is no reason that others should be killed. The time when you are born doesnt effect your right to life.

Contraception isn't the same as abortion in any aspect, at all. There is a gigantic difference between a fertilized egg, and an egg and sperm alone. It isnt canceling a life because it never was a life to begin with. Fetuses that aborted were lives until they were murdered by the irresponsiable actions of others.

I_worship_tre_Cool:

Fetuses that aborted were lives until they were murdered by the irresponsiable actions of others.

Technically, it hasn't it's own developed heart until around 6/7 weeks. Before that, it is just a multiplying bundle of cells. Especially in the first four weeks, then it isn't even considered an embyro, it's a blastocyst.

Info from here.

Lil' Fetus.:

I_worship_tre_Cool:

Fetuses that aborted were lives until they were murdered by the irresponsiable actions of others.

Technically, it hasn't it's own developed heart until around 6/7 weeks. Before that, it is just a multiplying bundle of cells. Especially in the first four weeks, then it isn't even considered an embyro, it's a blastocyst.

Info from here.

You can have abortions until up to 20 weeks. Regardless of that it doesnt matter what it is, it's what it will become. It's going to be a human life, those arent just a bunch of cells, those are human cells and when allowed to they will become a human, but that isnt possible when they are murdered. Just because it doesnt look like a human yet doesnt mean it isnt.

I_worship_tre_Cool:

Half of that arguement was completely false. Abortion doesnt happen when the baby isnt developed, it happens when its in the proccess of developing. I find it very shallow that morals don't kick in until it actually looks like a baby. People do have children they concieved while begin raped and they do love them, thats a personl matter that you can't lable so easily as you just did.

Adoption is not the horrible thing you all like to make it out to be. Regardless of if other kids are in there, that is no reason that others should be killed. The time when you are born doesnt effect your right to life.

Contraception isn't the same as abortion in any aspect, at all. There is a gigantic difference between a fertilized egg, and an egg and sperm alone. It isnt canceling a life because it never was a life to begin with. Fetuses that aborted were lives until they were murdered by the irresponsiable actions of others.[/quote]Are you saying that Im not a moral person because I dont think abortion should get banned? People are different and some would love their child and some wouldnt! It depends on the country and not in that many countries adoption is good and the kids are treated right. I find it horrible to kill someone because you werent responsible, but sometimes it just isnt your fault. By using contraception you dont get pregnant and you stop someone to get born, dont you? I just think we need to have a free choice!

[Bittersweet] cant fail:

Are you saying that Im not a moral person because I dont think abortion should get banned? People are different and some would love their child and some wouldnt! It depends on the country and not in that many countries adoption is good and the kids are treated right. I find it horrible to kill someone because you werent responsible, but sometimes it just isnt your fault. By using contraception you dont get pregnant and you stop someone to get born, dont you? I just think we need to have a free choice!

I am saying I think abortion is an immoral action, because I find murder to be immoral, thats my opnion. Those who support abortion are supporting immoral actions in my opinion, and by supporting abortion they are supporting murder.


Now you're changing your words around from "Its just not possible to love him/her" to some would and some wouldn't. I can't even debate you if your opinion changes with every post. What countires adoption policies are you refering to? There are quite a few in the world.... if you are so vauge there isnt anything to discuss.

If you werent responsiable... then it is your fault. YOU'RE to blame.. yet someone else is paying for your stupid actions. Thats unfair and sick. Conceptration prevents pregnancies from happening, key word there is prevents. As in, the pregnancy never happened, there was never a life lost. Abortion kills lives that have already begun. It's completely different.

Dita.Von.Teese.:

I am saying I think abortion is an immoral action, because I find murder to be immoral, thats my opnion. Those who support abortion are supporting immoral actions in my opinion, and by supporting abortion they are supporting murder.


Now you're changing your words around from "Its just not possible to love him/her" to some would and some wouldn't. I can't even debate you if your opinion changes with every post. What countires adoption policies are you refering to? There are quite a few in the world.... if you are so vauge there isnt anything to discuss.

If you werent responsiable... then it is your fault. YOU'RE to blame.. yet someone else is paying for your stupid actions. Thats unfair and sick. Conceptration prevents pregnancies from happening, key word there is prevents. As in, the pregnancy never happened, there was never a life lost. Abortion kills lives that have already begun. It's completely different.

Ok, that is your opinion. I think that abortion should get legalized so people could choose if they want to do it or not. Im not supporting murder, Im supporting free choice. If someone wants to do the abortion I think its safer to do it legal then ilegal. My opinion isnt changing.

[Bittersweet] cant fail:

Ok, that is your opinion. I think that abortion should get legalized so people could choose if they want to do it or not. Im not supporting murder, Im supporting free choice. If someone wants to do the abortion I think its safer to do it legal then ilegal. My opinion isnt changing.

You ignored every single point I made in that post. If you're just going to be narrow minded and not bother even replying to what people post why are you even in here?

But thats fine you gave me new things to point out. You are not supporting free choice. The person made their choice when they had sex and became pregnant. What you are is anti consequence. You believe that they shouldnt have to deal with what problems they create, and the to allow them to ignore the problems they have to commit murder. So yes, murder is exactly what you're supporting.

Okay, well I went to my friend's Catholic PSR thing and that night they were talking about abortion. I'm not Catholic, so I don't completly agree with the aspects of 'If you get an abortion, you go to hell' part. But if a mother isn't ready to have a child, I feel they should give it to another family member or somebody until they are ready. If it's for medical purposes, then it should be allowed. But to me, it's a mother's decision. I know FOR SURE that if you accept Christ you'll go to heaven, even if you do have an abortion.

Dita.Von.Teese.:

You ignored every single point I made in that post. If you're just going to be narrow minded and not bother even replying to what people post why are you even in here?

But thats fine you gave me new things to point out. You are not supporting free choice. The person made their choice when they had sex and became pregnant. What you are is anti consequence. You believe that they shouldnt have to deal with what problems they create, and the to allow them to ignore the problems they have to commit murder. So yes, murder is exactly what you're supporting.

If someone gets pregnant and wants to deal with this problem by getting an abortion I think they need to be able to do it. Im not saying that if someone gets pregnant they should do an abortion, but if they want it I think they should be able to do it. And if someone got raped, he didnt have his free choice, he didnt have sex by will and didnt get pregnant by will. That someone has a problem to deal with. They can give birth, keep the baby or give it for adoption. But they can abort if they want to. I am for abortion so if someone wants to do it, they legally can. Im just sick of you telling me that Im supporting mudred becausee that isnt true.