[Insert abortion here]

BillieStoleMyVirginity:

I_Worship_Tre_Cool- you are fucking sick. you say that if a girl is raped and gets pregnant its her stupid mistake. and its totally cool for her to bring the offspring of a total sicko into the world. that makes me feel great. so if say one of my friends is raped and she gets pregnant, she will NOT want to keep it. she would be distraught by her loss of dignity (perhaps virginity) and she will come to me because i'm her friend. u r saying that i can turn her away saying "Its your own fault, you made a stupid mistake"

you. are. fucking. sick.

Darling you seriously need to learn to read. Had you actually taken the time to read the thread, you'd have known how I actually felt about the subject of rape, but no, for whatever reason you felt it needed to post completely incorrect statements. You can insult me all you like, it doesn't really bother me, it only shows that you feel the need to lash out at people needlessly, and you lack the maturity to debate in a civil way. However, as a Mod I'll inform you of the rules. If you ever insult another user on this site and call them fucking sick, you will lose your account. That type of intolerant abuse is not allowed, especially when it doesnt even make sense.

http://www.geekstinkbreath.net/board/viewtopic.php?p=4324637#4324637

BillieStoleMyVirginity:

I_Worship_Tre_Cool- you are fucking sick. you say that if a girl is raped and gets pregnant its her stupid mistake. and its totally cool for her to bring the offspring of a total sicko into the world. that makes me feel great. so if say one of my friends is raped and she gets pregnant, she will NOT want to keep it. she would be distraught by her loss of dignity (perhaps virginity) and she will come to me because i'm her friend. u r saying that i can turn her away saying "Its your own fault, you made a stupid mistake"

you. are. fucking. sick.

that is not what she said at all, no way and nowhere did I_worship_tre_col say that it is ok to briong a rapists child into the world, in fact I said that if a woman is raped then there are other options open to her like adoption, and I DO NOT belive at all for one minute that if you get raped then its your fault, likewise i dont believe for one monute that i worship tre cool thinks that rape is ok.

BillieStoleMyVirginity:

and its totally cool for her to bring the offspring of a total sicko into the world.

You think that a baby deserves to die because its father is a 'total sicko'?
Hey, I think thats sick.
You might never have held a newborn baby, but there are people here who have and they will tell you that they are the most untainted beings on earth.

Yeah, you know what?
I think it is actually totally o-fucking-kay for a person to bring a rapists baby into the world, because that baby will not necessarily be "evil" or "sick".
Blame the parent, not the innocent offpring.

Bloodraine:

BillieStoleMyVirginity:

and its totally cool for her to bring the offspring of a total sicko into the world.

You think that a baby deserves to die because its father is a 'total sicko'?
Hey, I think thats sick.
You might never have held a newborn baby, but there are people here who have and they will tell you that they are the most untainted beings on earth.
Yeah, you know what?
I think it is actually totally o-fucking-kay for a person to bring a rapists baby into the world, because that baby will not necessarily be "evil" or "sick".
Blame the parent, not the innocent offpring.

i second that!! newborn babies are innocent,

and for some reason they smell like chicken soup!!

Well...I know that I do not have any desire to have children and I'll never will. Being the way I am...it is very unlikely I will get pregnant...unless I get raped or something.

Now, look, I know I am in no way of a majority or a significant minority...but I'm just going to argue my case, chaa?

If I were to - for some weird reason- fall pregnant, I know that there is no way on this earth I am keeping it.

I have been told by a health authority that I would not have the mental...whatstheword...strength? to have a child and look after it. They'd suggest a termination. Not even adoption. The last thing I want to be is a mother and I know if I did I'd well...get rid of it one way or another. I'm sure to all normal humans newborn babies are a beautiful and lovely thing but not to me. I've tried babysitting, I was so nervous every 5 minutes I thought I killed it or it had died or was in the process of dying. I cannot handle the screaming and crying. The reason why adoption is not an option because if I wasn't allowed a termination (say they had been outlawed or something...I dunno) then I would try and take it out it's misery. If it somehow managed to be born they'd have to sedate or hold me down to take it away. I know that if I was in the room with it, I'd suffocate it. You said that they are the most purest things on earth - I agree...that's why I'd make sure that it'd stay that way. I know I'm fucked in the head...it's obvious...but that's why I'm pro-choice.

*shrugs*

Joan of Arc of Suburbia:

Well...I know that I do not have any desire to have children and I'll never will. Being the way I am...it is very unlikely I will get pregnant...unless I get raped or something.

Now, look, I know I am in no way of a majority or a significant minority...but I'm just going to argue my case, chaa?

If I were to - for some weird reason- fall pregnant, I know that there is no way on this earth I am keeping it.

I have been told by a health authority that I would not have the mental...whatstheword...strength? to have a child and look after it. They'd suggest a termination. Not even adoption. The last thing I want to be is a mother and I know if I did I'd well...get rid of it one way or another. I'm sure to all normal humans newborn babies are a beautiful and lovely thing but not to me. I've tried babysitting, I was so nervous every 5 minutes I thought I killed it or it had died or was in the process of dying. I cannot handle the screaming and crying. The reason why adoption is not an option because if I wasn't allowed a termination (say they had been outlawed or something...I dunno) then I would try and take it out it's misery. If it somehow managed to be born they'd have to sedate or hold me down to take it away. I know that if I was in the room with it, I'd suffocate it. You said that they are the most purest things on earth - I agree...that's why I'd make sure that it'd stay that way. I know I'm fucked in the head...it's obvious...but that's why I'm pro-choice.

*shrugs*

if you are young then you have years to get over your phobia of children, (i knwo some people dont) i was adviced for the sake of my child to have an abortion because they said that he would be born disabled and i would not be able to care for him because of the extra work he would need, but i didnt and hey i had a normal healthy child who now has agreed mental conditons (he has ADHD, OCD and Tourretes) and there was no option for me i was pregnant so i was having a child.

Lucifers Angel:

if you are young then you have years to get over your phobia of children, (i knwo some people dont) i was adviced for the sake of my child to have an abortion because they said that he would be born disabled and i would not be able to care for him because of the extra work he would need, but i didnt and hey i had a normal healthy child who now has agreed mental conditons (he has ADHD, OCD and Tourretes) and there was no option for me i was pregnant so i was having a child.

It's not so much a phobia...I just don't want to be a bad mother which I would be. I'm fairly forgetful and I don't really look after myself. I just couldn't be responsible for another human being.

Besides, I'm not going to...yeah...

I'm sure that your kid is a joy to have and you wouldn't get rid of him for anything in the world but I guess I'm just not like that.

Joan of Arc of Suburbia:

Lucifers Angel:

if you are young then you have years to get over your phobia of children, (i knwo some people dont) i was adviced for the sake of my child to have an abortion because they said that he would be born disabled and i would not be able to care for him because of the extra work he would need, but i didnt and hey i had a normal healthy child who now has agreed mental conditons (he has ADHD, OCD and Tourretes) and there was no option for me i was pregnant so i was having a child.

It's not so much a phobia...I just don't want to be a bad mother which I would be. I'm fairly forgetful and I don't really look after myself. I just couldn't be responsible for another human being.

Besides, I'm not going to...yeah...

fair enough.

BillieStoleMyVirginity:

its totally cool for her to bring the offspring of a total sicko into the world. that makes me feel great

I wish that you could hear what you're saying. You've really no idea how angry that makes me, you really need to realise what you're saying.

So, lets say my Dad was a rapist. Oh my God, I must be scum! Perhaps my mother was a drug dealer, or a murderer. How would you treat me if you knew all of this, if I worked alongside you? Abuse ME because of my parents? Or maybe you're thinking because of what happened, I'm absolutely going to be the same. That being a rapist is genetic.

Abortion is difficult. I think only if the mother or child is in grave danger if the pregnancy continued, then it should take place. If you don't want to keep the baby, then it really should be put up for adoption. There are plenty of people who want to adopt or can't have children of their own. I don't know too much on the subject, but that's opinion.

Whoa, a month ago you were all saying how the only case abortion should happen is if the mother gets raped, now everyone's arguing against it. Just.. wow.

Wtf, I never said that. I don't think an abortion is absolutely necessary if you've been raped. Some women cope just fine, they keep the baby and they love it no matter what. If you've been told that you're likely to be emotionally unable to cope with looking after a child that was a result of rape, then you should start thinking about a termination. (or adoption)

It depends on the woman, ultimately. I don't think abortion is best but it depends on how you're going to cope with the situation.

Ieva Gets Along.:

Whoa, a month ago you were all saying how the only case abortion should happen is if the mother gets raped, now everyone's arguing against it. Just.. wow.

i have always said abortion is wrong whatever the case

Ginger Nuts:

Wtf, I never said that. I don't think an abortion is absolutely necessary if you've been raped. Some women cope just fine, they keep the baby and they love it no matter what. If you've been told that you're likely to be emotionally unable to cope with looking after a child that was a result of rape, then you should start thinking about a termination. (or adoption)

It depends on the woman, ultimately. I don't think abortion is best but it depends on how you're going to cope with the situation.

Too true. It depends on the woman and not how the child was concieved. Although, personally raised the way I am and being the way I am, if I got pregnant under any circumstance I would keep the child.
But, the argument of bringing a "sicko's child" into the world, doesn't really have much stamina.

For rape, I think abortion should be an option, I think it's the worst option she could choose, but in that case I think it should still exist. Im not worried about the kid being bad or anything, that arguement was just not well thought out. Sometimes while being pregnant, the raped mom wouldn't be able to handle the stress at all, or be able to cope with the fact that she was carrying her rapists child.

Can I justify the fact that I think abortion should be allowed in rape? No, you really can't. Its still killing something innocent, but the pregnant lady was innocent when this happened as well. Personally, I still think thats wrong, but in that case, I think the option should still exist. If her rapist is proven innocent, she needs to go to jail for murder or mansluaghter at least.

So let me get this straight. You're saying that a woman is raped, can't deal with carrying her rapists child, and because no one believes her she's put in jail? If she wasn't raped, would she be pregnant by her 'rapist?'

Oh, that's okay. I thought you were saying something absolutely absurd.

Wtf? That's ridiculous. I'm starting to think that you're implying 'it's her own fault she was raped, lets just think about the baby', which I don't really want to do. Basically, that would mean she lied about being raped, and got herself pregnant by someone else to make it more believable. Not well thought out? Does any of this make sense to you?

Because you know what, the mother matters too.

You're entitled to your opinion, and to be fair, so does everyone else. I just don't understand how sending someone to jail because they had an abortion is a just argument. If you want to explain it further, please do. I'd like to know why you think so.

What? I never once said it was her fault she was raped. I said if her rapist was found innocent. As in she did lie and her rapist was innocent, you do realize that does in fact happen, correct? If she had an abortion claiming rape, and it was proven it was not rape, shes a murderer and deserves to be punished as such. She would have not only lied which could result in an innocent man being pegged as a sex offender, but if she did have the abortion, she would be ending an innocent life. She is not a victim at all if she lied about rape. Did I say anything at all about actual rape victims going to jail for abortion O__o

I:

For rape, I think abortion should be an option

Oh, and where the hell did I ever say it was her fault she was raped, seriously, where? Are you seeing imaginary text Im not? I have absolutely no idea how anyone with the ability to comprehend text could get that out of what I said... at all, because I most certainly NEVER said that anywhere.

I read through it three times to make sure I was writing a reply knowing what you had already said. I just don't quite understand why someone would have an abortion, and then claim rape?

I suppose the reason I phrase my argument as such is because I have a different opinion on abortion to you. You're extremely anti-abortion, yes? That's fine, I just don't personally agree with you.

I didn't really understand that you saying 'for rape, I think abortion should be an option' made sense, because;

'Can I justify the fact that I think abortion should be allowed in rape? No, you really can't.'

You said, 'oh, it should be an option', before turning around saying 'you can't justify abortion in rape'.

I did say that, because I think it should be an option for rape, but it isn't a justified option at all. I don't think any person on this planet should have the right to decide who has the right to life and who doesn't, which is why I am so strongly against abortion. In the case of rape I do have an exception.

And people claim they were raped more than you would think, when they truely werent. That statement was made on my opinion that abortion should only be legal for the case of rape. If a girl claims she was raped, she has the right to an abortion I think. However, if the case is tried and it was found that she lied and her rapist was innocent, she wrongfully killed that foetus, did she not? She not only endangered a man of being sent to jail for rape, but she also killed something innocent, and the wrongful killing of others is the definition of murder.

Not everyone who is convicted commited a crime. Equally, not everyone who is freed is innocent. Which would mean that if the latter happened, someone would go to jail for something which happened to them. Justice is a sticky subject.

Ginger Nuts:

Not everyone who is convicted commited a crime. Equally, not everyone who is freed is innocent. Which would mean that if the latter happened, someone would go to jail for something which happened to them. Justice is a sticky subject.

DNA comparisions can tell you if the foetus was the product of the considered rapist or not. You can also tell if someone was actually raped with rape kits as well. If you go by what you said, then we have no right to punish anyone and we have no need for a court system. We couldn't try murderers, we couldn't try theifes, we couldn't do anything and no one could be punished for anything.