[Insert abortion here]

I didn't mean that. Okay - I wasn't aware that DNA testing was possible on an aborted foetus. Call that stupid, but I didn't know.

The only issue I had was sending someone to jail for a crime which was committed against THEM.

Yes, and I never said they should be put in jail for a crime that was commited against them. I think we just had a misunderstanding.

It was just what it sounded like, that's all. Fair enough.

I_worship_tre_Cool:

Anji:

I_worship_tre_Cool:

A foetus isn't a human
So.... do you think a magical fairy climbs up a chicks ass and taps the foetus with a wand, and it becomes a human. Fun as that sounds, its not true. That is a HUMAN foetus, as in its made of HUMAN cells, it is in fact a HUMAN. Sorry that your morals don't kick in until it looks like one.

Humans are dawgs lolz

So, then it's ok if it is not infact a foetus yet?

O__o Umm... where did I say that?

Why do you assume I was being sarcastic? I was asking a question.

Anji:

I_worship_tre_Cool:

A foetus isn't a human
So.... do you think a magical fairy climbs up a chicks ass and taps the foetus with a wand, and it becomes a human. Fun as that sounds, its not true. That is a HUMAN foetus, as in its made of HUMAN cells, it is in fact a HUMAN. Sorry that your morals don't kick in until it looks like one.

Humans are dawgs lolz

So, then it's ok if it is not infact a foetus yet?

Yeah, you're right...
Fertilized cells do not automatically become a foetus, they become a Zygote first. Which is simply two fertilized gametes. Basically, following the logic of "A foetus is a human so you can't kill it" is flawed, because foetal development only occurs in about the second month of gestation. And that is the point most people concentrate on, and falsely assuming a bunch of cells is automatically a foetus.
So how viable is that bunch of cells before they even become a foetus?
Does it make abortion okay then?
I guess its a very interesting academical point.

Bloodraine:

Anji:

I_worship_tre_Cool:

A foetus isn't a human
So.... do you think a magical fairy climbs up a chicks ass and taps the foetus with a wand, and it becomes a human. Fun as that sounds, its not true. That is a HUMAN foetus, as in its made of HUMAN cells, it is in fact a HUMAN. Sorry that your morals don't kick in until it looks like one.

Humans are dawgs lolz

So, then it's ok if it is not infact a foetus yet?

Yeah, you're right...
Fertilized cells do not automatically become a foetus, they become a Zygote first. Which is simply two fertilized gametes. Basically, following the logic of "A foetus is a human so you can't kill it" is flawed, because foetal development only occurs in about the second month of gestation. And that is the point most people concentrate on, and falsely assuming a bunch of cells is automatically a foetus.
So how viable is that bunch of cells before they even become a foetus?
Does it make abortion okay then?
I guess its a very interesting academical point.

Well, to put in into specifics, it should be OK. What exactly does the morning after pill do though? I'm not sure whether or not it really works, but what does it actually do?

Anji:

Well, to put in into specifics, it should be OK. What exactly does the morning after pill do though? I'm not sure whether or not it really works, but what does it actually do?

Morning After Pills are taken after sex where there is a risk you could be pregnant- I think they basically work by preventing fertilization from happening or stopping a post-fertilization zygote from implating itself into the womb lining (and thus preventing it from developing).
Pro-Life groups sometimes spazz out over Morning after pills because they prevent fertilization from happening or being successful. Then again, so do condoms, to some extent.

Bloodraine:

Pro-Life groups sometimes spazz out over Morning after pills because they prevent fertilization from happening or being successful. Then again, so do condoms, to some extent.

But all contraception does this. Well, the point of contraception is to prevent fertilisation from happening of being successful.

We had a presentation from a pro life group at school on Monday. She basically introduced herself, and started talking about Nazi Germany in relation to aborting a child. I don't agree with that; you can't compare the Holocaust to having a termination, in my opinion.

Coff:

Bloodraine:

Pro-Life groups sometimes spazz out over Morning after pills because they prevent fertilization from happening or being successful. Then again, so do condoms, to some extent.

But all contraception does this. Well, the point of contraception is to prevent fertilisation from happening of being successful.

The thing with MA pills is the fertillization has actually happened in some cases. Hence the term 'Morning After'. With condoms, it tends to prevent it altogether.

My opinion on abortion: (I'm not interested in debate.. I just want to put my opinion out there..)

It should remain legal, safe and available.

When it was ilegal in the US.. women still got abortions.. from ilegal clinics.. ussually un-sanitary.. dangerous.. Deadly.

They would do it themselves: ... Deadly.. and dangerouse.. and un-sanitary.

Women seriously hurt themselves.. and died.. by performing self abortions.. or going to ilegal clinics.

I'm not going to give my personal views on whether I am personally against or for abortion.

Women are going to have abortions.. legally.. or ilegally. .. I say... safe... and to keep it safe.. ya gotta keep it legal and available.

________
You might say "well.. It won't happen (ilegal abortions).. If the government really cracks down on it."

Sorry kid, not gonna happen. The Government could give two shits less. That's just how it is.

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You can make a reasonable argument about anything.. but when it all comes down to it... ya gotta look at how things really are.. and thats how they'll be forever.

then of course, people commit illegal, sloppy, and not very safe MURDERS
it doesn't matter the age, murder should remain illegal

Gloves.:

When it was ilegal in the US.. women still got abortions.. from ilegal clinics.. ussually un-sanitary.. dangerous.. Deadly.

They would do it themselves: ... Deadly.. and dangerouse.. and un-sanitary.

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Very much so. I've probably already told this story, by my Grandmother was a nurse in Liverpool back in the day when Abortions were illegal. And you know the story, some chick had hers botched and turned up on the ward. Foetus still intact. And so she aborted on the ward.

So the doctor in charge took my Grandma aside and told her to make sure every nurse in the hospital saw it. Y'know, the poor thing just lying there, curled up and half formed and dead in the bedpan. And the doctor made every nurse in the hospital see it, and he said "and then come back and tell me Abortion is not murder."

End storytime.

I am completely aganist it. Why would you kill something that never had a chance. Plus, that fucked up shit like Partial-Birth abortion do you know what that shit is?!?
It just pisses me off.

I've had an abortion and i'm much better off. Well not better off, but yeah I don't really mind. The father wasn't really someone I "loved."
I think it's better off if the later-on-to-be child didn't some into the world with me, i'm unoraginsed and have fuck all money.
Plus, it wouldn't have done any harm to the -soon-to-be-child because they don't even know what a life is to them, so to them it maybe was a normal thing.

I was watching House M.D. season one again, episode 19, 'Kids'. This episode had a twelve year old girl or something who got herself pregnant, but came down with a symptom called TTP, which is thrombotic thrombocytopenic purpura. This already ends up endangering her foetus as well as her. They end up having to perform an abortion in order to save the girl. Although I don't know how much of this is true, it does happen, but I don't think with TTP, the title doesn't make any sense.

Anyway, if the foetus is endangering the life of the mother, due to complications, do you think it is OK to perform an abortion as an act of saving the woman?

Anji:

I was watching House M.D. season one again, episode 19, 'Kids'. This episode had a twelve year old girl or something who got herself pregnant, but came down with a symptom called TTP, which is thrombotic thrombocytopenic purpura. This already ends up endangering her foetus as well as her. They end up having to perform an abortion in order to save the girl. Although I don't know how much of this is true, it does happen, but I don't think with TTP, the title doesn't make any sense.

Anyway, if the foetus is endangering the life of the mother, due to complications, do you think it is OK to perform an abortion as an act of saving the woman?

I think it is. A fetus is one life and it hasn't even known life. But if the fetus was left unaborted, two lives would have been lost instead of just one.

If this foetus is infact a foetus; a fertilized egg that has started to develop, it still has no idea what life is. It has never felt, seen, smelled or seen anything, outside the womb. How can you really call this a murder of a life?
If you are 15 years old and have no resources whatsoever to take care of a baby, whats worse? Knowing you killed a human foetus, that has never experienced anything or giving up the child after getting mocked all through the pregnancy, being called a slut, a whore and whatnot, being talked about behind your back and then having to give it up because you cant take care of this baby youve been mocked for to someone you dont know and that baby you gave birth to will think 'Why did my mommy give me up?' ?
Personally, i think that its better with the abortion.

Bloodraine:

Gloves.:

When it was ilegal in the US.. women still got abortions.. from ilegal clinics.. ussually un-sanitary.. dangerous.. Deadly.

They would do it themselves: ... Deadly.. and dangerouse.. and un-sanitary.

Very much so. I've probably already told this story, by my Grandmother was a nurse in Liverpool back in the day when Abortions were illegal. And you know the story, some chick had hers botched and turned up on the ward. Foetus still intact. And so she aborted on the ward.

So the doctor in charge took my Grandma aside and told her to make sure every nurse in the hospital saw it. Y'know, the poor thing just lying there, curled up and half formed and dead in the bedpan. And the doctor made every nurse in the hospital see it, and he said "and then come back and tell me Abortion is not murder."

End storytime.

great point and all...but I was eating ravioli at the time...so maybe you should put a big colorful "WARNING: GRAPHIC LANGUAGE" disclaimer on your post

spill_no_sick:

great point and all...but I was eating ravioli at the time...so maybe you should put a big colorful "WARNING: GRAPHIC LANGUAGE" disclaimer on your post

Okay, done.