Anji Basket Case Age: 35 Gender: Female Posts: 15914
December 27th, 2006 at 02:38pm
I_worship_tre_Cool:
Anji:
Inhumane? So animals have more humanity in killing their prey? Bears maul their prey to death, lions eat most their kills alive, Venus Fly Traps digest insects alive too. I understand what you're trying to say, but it's not like animals are saints. It's just that we know what we are intending to do with the carcass and we do it in excess.
Animals do that because they have to, humans have other options. I'd hope we are more civilized than a bear.
Soooo, by your logic, every single living creature on the Earth is a murderer?
no. humans which kill animals are murderers. I mean, people get arrested for killing other people, but they don't get arrested for killing animals.
Matt Smith Admin Age: 33 Gender: Female Posts: 31134
December 28th, 2006 at 06:50am
Tré is GSB bitch!:
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Soooo, by your logic, every single living creature on the Earth is a murderer?
no. humans which kill animals are murderers. I mean, people get arrested for killing other people, but they don't get arrested for killing animals.
Then why don't you arrest the cat that ate my mouse?
lyrical_mess Falling In Love With The Board Age: 33 Gender: Female Posts: 5278
December 28th, 2006 at 09:46am
Bloodraine:
Tré is GSB bitch!:
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Soooo, by your logic, every single living creature on the Earth is a murderer?
no. humans which kill animals are murderers. I mean, people get arrested for killing other people, but they don't get arrested for killing animals.
Then why don't you arrest the cat that ate my mouse?
I'll call the animal abuse hotline.
Matt Smith Admin Age: 33 Gender: Female Posts: 31134
December 28th, 2006 at 09:59am
lyrical_gaah52:
Bloodraine:
Tré is GSB bitch!:
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Soooo, by your logic, every single living creature on the Earth is a murderer?
no. humans which kill animals are murderers. I mean, people get arrested for killing other people, but they don't get arrested for killing animals.
Then why don't you arrest the cat that ate my mouse?
I'll call the animal abuse hotline.
Its the same logic.
She seems to think Humans killing...Pigs or something, is an abominable crime against nature.
I was wondering what she thought about examples of killing in nature. Ie, cat and mouse.
lyrical_mess Falling In Love With The Board Age: 33 Gender: Female Posts: 5278
December 28th, 2006 at 10:24am
Well, the animals are killed because we need food. As omnivores, we need meat. As Courtney said, the animals could be kept in much better condition before they die, which would help both the animal and the person who's going to eat it, but it's a process. Humans eat meat. Hunting is unecessary and making coats is too when faux fur can be made and is just as soft. But food is quite a different thing.
But a cat is not a human. A cat doesn't have the ability to use logic to see what it's doing is cruel. The cat has to eat to survive. Humans do to, however the way some animals are killed is brutal and the conditions they are kept in are terrible. Humans have the ability to use logic and reason, we are fully aware of what we do. It isn't a natural instinct of ours to kill animals in ways like that. We can prevent suffering and choose not to.
Well, the animals are killed because we need food. As omnivores, we need meat. As Courtney said, the animals could be kept in much better condition before they die, which would help both the animal and the person who's going to eat it, but it's a process. Humans eat meat. Hunting is unecessary and making coats is too when faux fur can be made and is just as soft. But food is quite a different thing.
I, personally, think hunting is alot less cruel then how major meat packing companies take care of their animals. Those animals at least have a chance to live in their natural habitat. And I don't know why everyone keeps saying humans need to eat meat, we don't. There are plenty of humans that live just fine without eating meat.
lyrical_mess Falling In Love With The Board Age: 33 Gender: Female Posts: 5278
December 28th, 2006 at 12:42pm
Yes, I realize that. I happen to be one such human. My family is one such family. But humans as a species have to eat meat. I'm not saying all of them. But at least 50% of humans have to eat meat. Ecosystems and food chains have humankind as important links. If put ourselves as a species, down at the bottom with the herbivores, god knows what would happen.
Yes, I realize that. I happen to be one such human. My family is one such family. But humans as a species have to eat meat. I'm not saying all of them. But at least 50% of humans have to eat meat. Ecosystems and food chains have humankind as important links. If put ourselves as a species, down at the bottom with the herbivores, god knows what would happen.
What in the hell are you talking about? HUMANS DO NOT HAVE TO EAT MEAT!!! Its a choice. Quit making up stupid statistics, it doesn't help your arguement at all. Chances are, once you start making up percents, you don't know what you're talking about anymore. They can choose to, but they don't have to. All the animals we eat are bred for that purpose, as the demand goes down, we'd stop breeding so many. The food chain would be fine. And, Umm, not all herbivores are at the bottom of the food chain
Matt Smith Admin Age: 33 Gender: Female Posts: 31134
December 28th, 2006 at 12:52pm
in ur m3ss4gebo4rdz:
lyrical_gaah52:
Yes, I realize that. I happen to be one such human. My family is one such family. But humans as a species have to eat meat. I'm not saying all of them. But at least 50% of humans have to eat meat. Ecosystems and food chains have humankind as important links. If put ourselves as a species, down at the bottom with the herbivores, god knows what would happen.
What in the hell are you talking about? HUMANS DO NOT HAVE TO EAT MEAT!!! Its a choice. Quit making up stupid statistics, it doesn't help your arguement at all. Chances are, once you start making up percents, you don't know what you're talking about anymore. They can choose to, but they don't have to. All the animals we eat are bred for that purpose, as the demand goes down, we'd stop breeding so many. The food chain would be fine. And, Umm, not all herbivores are at the bottom of the food chain
Producers are.
Oh boy, biology!
lyrical_mess Falling In Love With The Board Age: 33 Gender: Female Posts: 5278
December 28th, 2006 at 01:00pm
Lemme get this straight. Cuz I'm not sure if I'm being clear or if I'm just thick and don't get what you're saying.
An individual human being does not have to eat meat to survive. As an omnivore, an individual human being can choose to eat or not eat meat. Humans are built to adapt and can live that way. We agree on that at least. I assume that I didn't make it clear before. Moving on.
The human species however, should have members that eat meat. The same is true of pigs, bears, and raccoons. Well, a raccoon will eat anything but that's a different story. You have, of course, already stated that animals living in the wild have very different situations from humans, as we are civilized, self-domesticated, social animals.
There is a reason to eat meat, for many people. It has nutritional value (I don't mean Burger King meat) and it tastes good.
Now, you know that there are wild cows and wild chickens and wild everythings. Humans, by nature for one reason or another will try to eat them. Because they're hungry and there's nothign else to eat or because they just want meat, whatever. So isn't it better to have domisticated animals for the purpose of feeding those who want meat?
Lemme get this straight. Cuz I'm not sure if I'm being clear or if I'm just thick and don't get what you're saying.
An individual human being does not have to eat meat to survive. As an omnivore, an individual human being can choose to eat or not eat meat. Humans are built to adapt and can live that way. We agree on that at least. I assume that I didn't make it clear before. Moving on.
The human species however, should have members that eat meat. The same is true of pigs, bears, and raccoons. Well, a raccoon will eat anything but that's a different story. You have, of course, already stated that animals living in the wild have very different situations from humans, as we are civilized, self-domesticated, social animals.
There is a reason to eat meat, for many people. It has nutritional value (I don't mean Burger King meat) and it tastes good.
Now, you know that there are wild cows and wild chickens and wild everythings. Humans, by nature for one reason or another will try to eat them. Because they're hungry and there's nothign else to eat or because they just want meat, whatever. So isn't it better to have domisticated animals for the purpose of feeding those who want meat?
That made no sense... at all. Any nutrition you can get from meat, you can get from an alternate source. I's said that 5 million times now, if you just like to keep ignoring what Im saying, go for it. Humans, in no way, shape or form, have to eat meat. Its their choice.
I have absolutely no idea what you were trying to get at with the bears and racoons thing. Humans and those animals have compltely differnet mentalities. That made no sense either. Why do humans have to be omnivores? They don't.
And, Like I said, we typically don't eat the wild animals, we domesticate them. So, if humans stopped eating meat, we'd stop domesticating them, and the food chain would be fine. Thanks for proving my point, again.
lyrical_mess Falling In Love With The Board Age: 33 Gender: Female Posts: 5278
December 28th, 2006 at 01:11pm
THE HUMAN SPECIES. THE ENTIRE GODDAMN MOTHERFUCKING SPECIES!!!! NOT INDIVIDUALS!
We're getting nowhere with this. Not every human being on the planet is going to choose to not eat meat. Maybe after we acheive world peace and destroy poverty. Because until then, not every human being is going to be as lucky as you and I are to have a good education and understand. To a farmer, a pig is his money. He honestly doesn't care about anything other than the fact that killing the pig and selling to someone who will eat it will put food on his table. Maybe he'll eat it himself. Maybe by the time there's no poverty or war, we'll have robots in charge of agriculture instead and one nation will be able to cultivate enough to feed a country of herbovoric humans.
Matt Smith Admin Age: 33 Gender: Female Posts: 31134
December 28th, 2006 at 01:14pm
in ur m3ss4gebo4rdz:
Humans, in no way, shape or form, have to eat meat. Its their choice.
Sometimes it isn't.
Like when I was in Finland, there were a group on semi-nomadic people who lived well inside the artice circle of northern Finland.
Now, Finland in December is one big frozen snowdrift, literally, everything is white. Not much to eat, really, unless you plan on munching pine bark. XD
And this group of people lived off the reindeer, see. They wore their fur, ate their meat, used them to drive their sleighs. I don't really think they had a choice, I mean if they didn't eat the meat, they'd have nothing.
You need to calm down, cursing profainly doesn't make your arguement have a stronger impact. I was speaking for the entire species if you'd take the time to read what Im saying. I never said every human being would choose not to eat meat (once again, you'd have seen that had you read what I wrote) And the rest of your post, once again, didn't make sense so... good luck with that robots thing.
Like when I was in Finland, there were a group on semi-nomadic people who lived well inside the artice circle of northern Finland.
Now, Finland in December is one big frozen snowdrift, literally, everything is white. Not much to eat, really, unless you plan on munching pine bark. XD
And this group of people lived off the reindeer, see. They wore their fur, ate their meat, used them to drive their sleighs. I don't really think they had a choice, I mean if they didn't eat the meat, they'd have nothing.
Technically, someone could ship them other food. What are the chaces of that happening? Non existant, but humans do not have to eat me to survive. Physically, they can live off of other things. However, some people like that live in conditions they can't control. I was just saying, its possible to live without meat, because the nutrients in it can come from other places.
And technically, that's still their choice. They could choose to starve. Im not saying I want them to starve, but they still have that option. I don't so much have problems with eating meat as I do with the way animals are kept and killed. I don't think eating meat is wrong, however the way humans do it is sometimes very wrong.
lyrical_mess Falling In Love With The Board Age: 33 Gender: Female Posts: 5278
December 28th, 2006 at 01:18pm
Just because you didn't comprehend doesn't mean my post didn't make sense. Or maybe it didn't make sense I'm just being a pissy bitch. Whatever. It made sense to me and we're obviously not thinking along the same lines.
