Veganism/vegetarianism

There is a little bit of a difference between living creatures being cruely slaughtered and jewlery quality my dear.

In all honesty, I don't care who said that quote, its inaccurate in my opinion anyways. Like Anji said, there is no "top" of the food chain, its a cycle. And humans are only in a dominant position as long as we have technology.
I have no problem with meat being consumed by people; but there isnt any need for us to be jackasses about it. We don't need to torture animals before we eat them. We don't need to confine them in unnatural environments. Eating meat is somthing all kinds of animals do; not just humans. So anyone who thinks eating meat is ~wrong~ can go try and reason with a hungry tiger, I would prefer to be logical. Eating meat is fine, but how we do it isnt.

Tesco are sending me all their paperwork about meat/farming/animal welfare standards/ etc. soon.


This might've come up before and I know I'm contradicting what I've already said in this thread (I'm against all the unnatural farming etc.) but we, as humans, do plenty of unnatural things.
But then again I suppose it all comes down to whether it is harming others. That's what I feel anyway; As long as it isn't really harming anything else, it doesn't matter if it's unnatural. (Of course there are some exceptions)

Cows are milked specifically for their calfs, not for human consumption. Anyway, humans' digestive system hasn't even evolvded properly to digest dairy products.

Anji:

Cows are milked specifically for their calfs, not for human consumption. Anyway, humans' digestive system hasn't even evolvded properly to digest dairy products.

Wait a minute...
I'm eating ice cream right now...
And it seems to be digesting just fine...

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Anji:

Cows are milked specifically for their calfs, not for human consumption. Anyway, humans' digestive system hasn't even evolvded properly to digest dairy products.

Wait a minute...
I'm eating ice cream right now...
And it seems to be digesting just fine...

Too much dairy products can cause cancer. It's a fairly recent study, but it has some good stuff to back it up.

Also, especially in Asians, people who drink milk cannot hold it down and throw up right after. So I guess for some people, it stays put, and for others it comes right back up.

Anyway, ice cream is pretty much 50% sugar.

Kurtni:

There is a little bit of a difference between living creatures being cruely slaughtered and jewlery quality my dear.

I didn't say that they were the same.
I was making a point.

Kurtni:

And humans are only in a dominant position as long as we have technology.

But we still do have technology; therefore, we are still dominant.

Kurtni:

I have no problem with meat being consumed by people; but there isnt any need for us to be jackasses about it. We don't need to torture animals before we eat them.

Well, technically, I, the consumer, do not torture the animal and slaughter it. I only eat it.
And not all animals are tortured before they die.

Kurtni:

We don't need to confine them in unnatural environments.

At this point, cows have likely already adapted to their farm environments.

Kurtni:

Eating meat is fine, but how we do it isnt.

It's not the way we eat the meat that is wrong.
It's mostly the way the animals die that isn't fine.

Anji:

Anyway, ice cream is pretty much 50% sugar.

But it's still a dairy product.

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Anji:

Anyway, ice cream is pretty much 50% sugar.

But it's still a dairy product.

I know.

i'm a meat eater to an extent..i don't like much meat..


but i don't like the fact that they are killing innocent animals..it's sad :/ but it's life, and it's survival i guess..and that's what happens :/



and the whole dairy thing, your not hurting the cow when your milking it, i'm sure they mind it lol but it's not killing them..it's a natural thing, and i'm sure it was intended on feeding their babies, as too humans feeding their babies, but it's not harming them.

trisha_goes_rawr:

and the whole dairy thing, your not hurting the cow when your milking it, i'm sure they mind it lol but it's not killing them..it's a natural thing, and i'm sure it was intended on feeding their babies, as too humans feeding their babies, but it's not harming them.

Have you ever breast fed a child? Your breasts can get pretty damn sore after a day of heavy milking. Now, if you had to do that for your entire life as soon as you hit puberty, that would be harmful. It's not natural for a cow to be hooked up to machines 24/7 at all. The milking, yeah it's natural, but the process isn't. And that is what happens at the big name dairy farms.

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Kurtni:

I have no problem with meat being consumed by people; but there isnt any need for us to be jackasses about it. We don't need to torture animals before we eat them.

Well, technically, I, the consumer, do not torture the animal and slaughter it. I only eat it.
And not all animals are tortured before they die.

Kurtni:

We don't need to confine them in unnatural environments.

At this point, cows have likely already adapted to their farm environments.

Firsty, by buying meat etc. from the companies that do torture animals, you as the consumer are supporting that 'trade', and, in my personal opinion, that's almost just as bad as actually doing it.

Also, it takes quite a while for a whole species to adapt to a completely different environment.





Also, I'll scan the letter Tesco sent to me about their animal welfare standards, if i can :]
That's probably relevant.

Timid :

Also, it takes quite a while for a whole species to adapt to a completely different environment.

But a lot of them already have. Done.

Timid :

Firsty, by buying meat etc. from the companies that do torture animals, you as the consumer are supporting that 'trade', and, in my personal opinion, that's almost just as bad as actually doing it.

Supporting or not, I still did not torture that animal.
Would you rather put that meat to waste so that the animal was slaughtered for nothing?
I think that's just as bad.

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Timid :

Firsty, by buying meat etc. from the companies that do torture animals, you as the consumer are supporting that 'trade', and, in my personal opinion, that's almost just as bad as actually doing it.

Supporting or not, I still did not torture that animal.
Would you rather put that meat to waste so that the animal was slaughtered for nothing?
I think that's just as bad.

If there wasn't such a high demand for meat then animals wouldn't be slaughtered for it.

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I didn't say that they were the same.
I was making a point.

But we still do have technology; therefore, we are still dominant.
Well, technically, I, the consumer, do not torture the animal and slaughter it. I only eat it.
And not all animals are tortured before they die.

At this point, cows have likely already adapted to their farm environments.
It's not the way we eat the meat that is wrong.
It's mostly the way the animals die that isn't fine.

Yes, and the point you were making was in reply to what I said. And no, all humans do not have technology at their disposal. There are plenty of cultures who survive without it. "Adapted to Live" and being in their natural environment are not the same thing. We forced them to adapt. We've messed with their genetics by how we breed them and done all kinds of things. Just because we've made them unnatural doesn't mean its ok. Right so, you're still buying the meat and supporting the industries. So yes, you the consumer, provide the funds to slaughter animals.You eating it isn't the bad part, like I said. I never said all animals are tortured either, so don't try and make it look like I did.

Anji:

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Anji:

Anyway, ice cream is pretty much 50% sugar.

But it's still a dairy product.

I know.

Think about how much processing our dairy products go through.
By the time it reaches our digestive system, people have spent weeks taking out anything that may harm us.

Go drink fresh milk from a cow and see if you don't get a stomach bug or something worse.

Libertina Grimm:

Anji:

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Anji:

Anyway, ice cream is pretty much 50% sugar.

But it's still a dairy product.

I know.

Think about how much processing our dairy products go through.
By the time it reaches our digestive system, people have spent weeks taking out anything that may harm us.

Go drink fresh milk from a cow and see if you don't get a stomach bug or something worse.

It's not what's in the milk, it's the actual milk. For kids, yeah they need it to grow, like every other mammal on this planet. But once they are fully grown, they don't drink milk anymore, and they all certainly don't drink processed cow milk either.

I haven't eaten meat for about a month and a half. Which is surprising because I have never stuck with it before but since I saw Fast Food Nation everytime I see a burger or raw meat I feel like throwing up...

Anji:

Libertina Grimm:

Anji:

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Anji:

Anyway, ice cream is pretty much 50% sugar.

But it's still a dairy product.

I know.

Think about how much processing our dairy products go through.
By the time it reaches our digestive system, people have spent weeks taking out anything that may harm us.

Go drink fresh milk from a cow and see if you don't get a stomach bug or something worse.

It's not what's in the milk, it's the actual milk. For kids, yeah they need it to grow, like every other mammal on this planet. But once they are fully grown, they don't drink milk anymore, and they all certainly don't drink processed cow milk either.

Not. Quite. Sure. What. You're. Getting. At.

Having a blonde day, see.