Veganism/vegetarianism

By my dictionary, Murder is the unlawful killing of one human being by another.

Also, some religions believe that animals do not have souls, thus, why should there be a problem in killing them for food? The bible has many references towards the use of animals for sacrafice and food. Some believe that we were meant to be vegetarians though, but the fall, when Adam and Eve at the forbiden fruit, changed everything, and we then became carnivores.

Ol' Blue Eyes.:

Predator - prey relationships are a way of life. Us eating animals helps keep their population in balance, now that most major predators are dwindling out.

err, maybe 1000000000 years ago. But now they're bred for us to eat them, right?!

greendea:

... but for esample a dog can be veggie, because dogs became omnivore.. an omnivore can be

wtf bullshit.

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Boobmeister:

By my dictionary, Murder is the unlawful killing of one human being by another.

Also, some religions believe that animals do not have souls, thus, why should there be a problem in killing them for food? The bible has many references towards the use of animals for sacrafice and food. Some believe that we were meant to be vegetarians though, but the fall, when Adam and Eve at the forbiden fruit, changed everything, and we then became carnivores.

Different dictionaries have different things, but every definition I've ever read is "the killing of another living thing" in a nutshell.
Why should it matter if it's lawful or not, by the way?
Murder is murder.
Punishments should vary depending on the necessity, but murder is murder.

This is not a religion discussion. I don't care if some religion says animals don't have souls, it is obvious by looking at how animals smile, and by hearing how they cry, that they do. My dog was abused, and anybody who saw the fear in her eyes would know there is an obvious soul.
I posted a picture of two pigs, one OBVIOUSLY smiling and laughing.
Human beings are animals.
Therefore, if animals don't have souls, we do not, either.

The thing that I was pointing out was the fact that it says "Human Beings". And it matters if it's lawful or not because laws are set in place to make sure things don't happen. And seeing as most of the laws are based on religious structures, then yes, I think religion should come into this.

It's your opinion that animals have souls. Others don't believe that. I'm not saying that it's right or wrong to kill animals, it's your logic that animals do have souls and that you have a problem with using them for meat produce.

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We are not carnivores. That's fact.
If we were carnivores, we would only eat meat.
If we were carnivores, we would not de-feather/fur/whatever our animals, and we would not cook them or put sauce on them or only eat selective parts.

Carnivorous animals eat roadkill, they kill their prey and eat everything- except (sometimes) the bones.
Carnivorous animals could not live off of carbohydrates, lipids, and tofu/tempah/soy.
Human beings can.
Many human beings do, have, and will.

uh yeah they can great. and they can eat meat. point being?!

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According to one definition.

Vegetarianism is not about religion.
Having compassion for animals is not about religion.
Not wanting to pay for animals to be murdered is not about religion.

Humans are animals.
Humans are mammels.
Those who believe it's okay to murder cows should also believe it's okay to murder dogs and humans.

The smile on a cat's face is not my opinion.
The wimper of a stray dog is not my opinion.

I have argued with many people who believe the killing of an innocent animal is okay, and have yet to hear one logical reason.
"Our ancestors did it."
Our ancestors also burned "witches" and didn't have factory farms.
"It's nature."
There is no evidence of that.
"Lions do it."
Lions have been scientifically proven to be 100% carnivores who would have no hope of surviving off of tofu.
"It's unhealthy."
According to most research, eating meat is one of the most unhealthy things a human can do. It is fatty and OFTEN shot up with hormones. You also have no idea what illness that animal on your plate went through.

And by one definition is it as killing living creatures

Everything is about religion, in some way or another, whether you believe or not.

According to research, smoking, drinking and taking drugs can be incredibly unhealthy for you too, doesn't stop people doing it though, does it?

It's not right to kill a dog or a human, because they're not being used to good. If you kill an animal whose main purpose in life has been to be breed for meat, for it's meat, then yes, I believe it's alright to do that because you're not just ending a life for no good reason. If you kill a dog, however, you will not get much meat off of it and therefore it will be a waste.

I could tell you a story about a dog named Lucky that killed four of it's owners, and then we'll discuss how "innocent" some animals are.

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There is NO good reason to eat meat. It is UNNECESSARY! There are healthy alternatives where NO innocent creature is murdered.

IN YOUR OPINION.

What about people who have allergies, hmm? I know of several people who can't affored to be PICKY with what they eat, myself included. I don't see why there should be people starving in Africa and we have the NERVE, the LUXURY, to choose what we WANT to eat. Why should we get the chance to say "Oh, I don't want to eat meat because it's murder"? Why should people who starve not even get the chance to make that decision? I'm pretty sure, that if you offered someone on the street, someone who can't AFFORD food, a piece of meat, a fucking hamburger or something, they would NOT turn around to you and say "I'm vegetarian" and let the food go to waste.

SURVIVAL comes before any of that.

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Point being that there is no need to eat meat.

It is unhealthy and unnecessary

That's not true!

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No. According to research.
It is not my opinion that innocent animals do not die to make tofu.

Are you a starving child in Africa?
No. Therefore, what is the need for you to eat an INNOCENT cow instead of a piece of tofu?

Why does our survival outweigh the survival of an innocent creature? Why does clogging our arteries with an animal beat out the life on that animal?
It DOESN'T.

Survival without morals? Life without morals is no life.

And actually, I would rather die than murder an innocent animal.
Morals come before a dinner.
The life of an innocent animal comes before mine.

There shouldn't be hamburgers in the first place!

But there ARE hamburgers, aren't there.

I am not a starving child in Africa, no, but I am a person with allergies. I don't care WHAT you feed me, so long as it doesn't have something I'm allergic to in it. What is the point in being picky over your food when others can't? Just because we do have the oppurtunity to CHOOSE what we eat, doesn't mean we should take it.

What if I don't like Tofu? What if I don't like eating immitaion meat (which, by the way is ridiculous, if you love meat so much to eat an imitation of it, then you shouldn't have become a veggie in the first place)?

What if I ENJOY meat?

Eating is about being happy. You don't eat meat cause it makes YOU happy. I do eat meat because it makes ME happy. People who are starving would EAT because it would make THEM happy.

I'm a coeliac, so my diet is restricted and my intestine doesn't work properly. Coeliacs are encouraged to eat a lot of red meat and green veg, because we're often iron deficient, and a lot of dairy because most of us end up with osteoporosis.
Like Hannah says, food should be about making you happy, along with fuelling you etc. When I go out to eat, there's very little on the menu I can eat - my intolerance rules out the pastas, pies, bread-based things, most desserts and the things battered or floured. Some restaurants have literally nothing I can eat. I went to one place where the only options were peas and the tomato sauce. The only things that are usually gluten-free and veggie are salads. I like my food, I'm not a fussy eater - as long as I can eat it I will eat it - and I enjoy going out for meals with my family. Finding there's barely anything on the menu depresses me. If I was to cut out meat and fish there would probably be about 2 options left for me, if that.
I can't eat a lot of the 'meat replacement' things in shops - they use gluten in flour or something to keep them together - and perhaps it is selfish, but I like food and I don't think a more restricted diet would be healthy, or make me happy, and I like being happy.

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Eating is about surviving.
If eating meat, if murdering an animal, makes someone happy, that is a sick disease.

A disease? Hardly.

It's a lifestyle you disagree with. Just because you disagree with it doesn't make it a disease.

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greendea:

they can't be vegetarian... because thay're carnivorous... like cats... but for esample a dog can be veggie, because dogs became omnivore.. an omnivore can be

Dogs are carnivores.

this isn't true any more, dogs accustomed their food to us.. so they're omnivore like us.. i read this..

star light thrill.:

What the fuck.

I am also a vegetarian but I don't give the slightest care about what anyone else eats because it is my choice not to eat meat.

And tbh, What everyone eats is none of your buisness. You chose not to eat meat, just like I did, But it doesn't mean everyone else has to agree with you.

You have no right to go bitch about what everyone eats, meat or not.
Ok you made a choice but keep it to yourself, It's your choice and they have a made a choice too. They don't bitch at you for not eating meat do they?

i get pissed off people who make me always the same stupid question, i don't ask these things at they.. so they can and i cannot? if you came to this thread it's because you want to learn more of something, not just for saying i'm proud to be vegetarian or omnivore and people here do... so me too

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Eating a murdered creature making you happy is sick and diseased.

IN YOUR OPINION.

It's a lifestyle choice. That's just like saying gay people are sick and diseased because of the way they choose to live their life.

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You don't think being made happy by having a dead animal in your mouth is sick?

Also, isn't half the point of SD to speak your opinions?

By the way, you seem to have ignored 80% of my points.
So I'll ask again, is cannibilism okay?
Perhaps an innocent human is being killed, but it's not in vain, the human is used for food. So if it's okay to murder a pig for food, it's okay to murder a human for food, right?

I think being happy by eating food which is keeping me alive isn't sick.

I've ignored your points because you have a wonderful way of twisting words. This is why I brought religion into this, because humans are different from animals, whether you like it or not.

gay and murder???? mmm.. the connection? i think we should stop to speak about it... everyone pisses off because his opinion isn't shared by anyone... i think we can speak about animals treatment and interessed people go to it... the others can speak about their proud

it's a lost war... minority= no one understand us

Can You Say OBSESSED:

You are made happy by eating dead animals.
THAT is sick.

Thank you for judging my lifestyle when I have done nothing to ruin yours.

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No, you've ignored my points because you can't think of what to say when you're proven wrong.

Congratulations on getting inside my head

When an animal is killed, and it it used for good, then yes, it is better than letting it go to waste. When a human dies and it's not in vain, then it's better than if they died for no reason. Cannabulism is, of course, murder of a human being killed by another, which is what muder is classified as. That has nothing to do with animals, so canabilism is wrong, by the dicitonary definition.

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Eating a murdered creature making you happy is sick and diseased.

In your opinion. And, you have every right to that opinion.

personally, i don't think it is "sick and diseased" to eat meat. yes, there are other alternatives to eating meat but that doesn't mean we have to take them.
I became a vegetarian because eating meat didn't make me feel good. In this way I suppose I agree with Hannah...
Also, I don't think eating animals can even compare to eating people. It's just not the same argument.

Using an example from my family, my cousin was vegetarian for a while but it made her feel really weak and sick so she started eating meat again. She can't eat a lot of things, her diet is really restrictive, but if she feels good when she eats meat (healthy, even) then all the power to her.

I may not be supporting my argument very well, but I have to say i thought you saying that people enjoying eating meat are sick and diseased was uncalled for.
it is fact that nothing dies to make tofu.
It is not fact that eating meat is wrong. This is the whole debate, it is open to arguments.
You can't blanket all meat eaters as sick and diseased.