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John Entwistle
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Posts: 55036 | September 23rd, 2007 at 05:58am Well, no matter what you guys say I'll never stop eating meat. I love it. But that doesn't mean that I like seeing dead animals or killing them. I love animals, but not enough to stop eating meat.
And I will bet there are people on here that are vegetarian, and think it's wrong to kill animals, but that they are for abortion. When killing animal you are killing it to survive. Whereas killing an innocent human because you don't want it.....that's not murder? Because where I come from, killing something for no reason or because you don't want it, that's murder. |
worn-out astronaut.
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  | September 23rd, 2007 at 10:28am Can You Say OBSESSED:
There's a difference between eating meat and being made "happy" by a dead animal in your mouth.
Why can't it? I will ask you as well:
Why is it okay to kill one animal but not another?
Research shows that chickens are smarter than the average domestic dog, and pigs are smarter than the average 3 year old human child.
So why is it okay to murder them?
Why chickens and not dogs?
Why cows and not cats?
Why turkeys and not a child?
When somebody goes vegetarian and get sick, it's because they don't watch what they eat. If you don't make sure you get the proper amount of protien, of course you'll get sick.
However, eating a carcas is not healthy.
Nobody in their right minds believes that it is okay to MURDER an innocent animal so that they can have a strip of bacon.
THAT is sick.
That doesn't mean all meat eaters are sick and diseased, most of my friends eat meat.
HOWEVER, being made "happy" by having a carcass in your mouth IS sick and diseased.
A chicken isn't bloody Einstein 
There's a difference between eating meat and being made "happy" by a dead animal in your mouth.
Oh really? No one who is wealthier and can afford to pick what they will eat is going to eat only to survive. A kid in Africa will eat anything if he is offered it, someone homeless as well... I wont. I can pick and I eat things that please me. Actually I enjoy food quite a lot, more than other people I guess, and I enjoy meat. A lot.
Nobody in their right minds believes that it is okay to MURDER an innocent animal so that they can have a strip of bacon.
THAT is sick.
That doesn't mean all meat eaters are sick and diseased, most of my friends eat meat.
Oh yeah, how nice of you to defend your friends when they are probably one of those very sick, diseased people who will kill a poor innocent piggy to get a strip of beacon in their breakfast.
You should at least stick with what you think by applying it to everyone. |
rollerpig
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Age: 33
Gender: Female
Posts: 62283 | September 23rd, 2007 at 10:40am Can You Say OBSESSED:
Why is it okay to murder a pig but not a human?
Why is it okay to shot a chicken but not a human?
It's not.
Because there's a difference between humans and animals. |
rollerpig
GSBitch
Age: 33
Gender: Female
Posts: 62283 | September 23rd, 2007 at 10:57am Can You Say OBSESSED:
According to research, it is unhealthy.
It is unnecessary, because we have many healthier alternatives to meat.
WRONG! 
Meat contains many healthy ingredients, such as proteins. It strenghts our immune system and saves us from colds etc. Furthermore your muscles need proteins. Next to proteins there are also mineral and b-vitamins, giving us a deep sleep and nice skin. I could go on.
However it is not unhealthy. And well, it is as unnecessary as chocolate or other food, because we are fortune enough to choose what we want to eat. Duh. |
girl almighty
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Age: 35
Gender: Female
Posts: 76615 | September 23rd, 2007 at 12:41pm The enjoyment doesn't come from having a 'murdered carcass' or whatever, in your mouth, it's enjoying the food as food. I doubt anyone sits down to Sunday dinner and says, "Oh, carve the murdered baby sheep will you, dearest." Some people see meat as a source of food, others don't. It doesn't make either 'sick' or whatever; choosing to eat meat doesn't give people the lurgi. Not everyone likes tofu, and not everyone can eat the meat substitutes like Quorn, so they choose to eat meat because they like to eat it.
Western society is past the stage where we have to take every morsel of food offered because it's eat it or don't eat at all, but the liberty of a selective diet isn't available for some people, so they may still choose to enjoy meat. |
amistad.
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| September 23rd, 2007 at 01:01pm Can You Say OBSESSED:star light thrill.:What the fuck.
I am also a vegetarian but I don't give the slightest care about what anyone else eats because it is my choice not to eat meat.
And tbh, What everyone eats is none of your buisness. You chose not to eat meat, just like I did, But it doesn't mean everyone else has to agree with you.
You have no right to go bitch about what everyone eats, meat or not.
Ok you made a choice but keep it to yourself, It's your choice and they have a made a choice too. They don't bitch at you for not eating meat do they?
I have every right to speak out against murder.
Just like I have every right to speak out with my opinions on abortion, gay marriage, drugs, the death penalty, etc...,
Actually, I am often "bitched at" for not eating meat.
However, no innocent creature is murdered due to my decision.
According to you, people do not have the right to speak their minds. That is sick. Murder is wrong. I don't care if it's the murder of a calf, a chicken, a pig, or a child. Murder is murder and murder is wrong.
And yes, I have every right to say that.
Erm. I never said anything about speaking your mind.
You do, which is good, but it just seems like your trying to shove it down their throats that meat is bad, they have a choice just like we do (:
And on another note; I don't eat meat. I also don't like the killing of animals and whatnot but I keep it to myself because there are some people that actually don't have a choice. For instance, Hannah and Jo already have a dodgy diet and they need meat.
And what about say a child in a starving country. What if meat is the only thing they have to eat? Because frankly, they don't have much at all. They can't afford meat substitutes or anything else. What are they supposed to do then? It's not like they have a choice. |
rollerpig
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Age: 33
Gender: Female
Posts: 62283 | September 23rd, 2007 at 01:31pm TOFU TIGER:The enjoyment doesn't come from having a 'murdered carcass' or whatever, in your mouth, it's enjoying the food as food. I doubt anyone sits down to Sunday dinner and says, "Oh, carve the murdered baby sheep will you, dearest." Some people see meat as a source of food, others don't. It doesn't make either 'sick' or whatever; choosing to eat meat doesn't give people the lurgi. Not everyone likes tofu, and not everyone can eat the meat substitutes like Quorn, so they choose to eat meat because they like to eat it.
Western society is past the stage where we have to take every morsel of food offered because it's eat it or don't eat at all, but the liberty of a selective diet isn't available for some people, so they may still choose to enjoy meat. LFMDOFADMFAS.  |
girl almighty
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Age: 35
Gender: Female
Posts: 76615 | September 23rd, 2007 at 03:57pm Neither of us is allergic to protein as such no, but Hannah is allergic to nuts and I'm gluten intolerant. Both rule out quite a lot of meal options. I find my diet extremely boring a lot of the time, and it gets very, very repetative - there are only so many jacket potatoes you can eat in your life time - so having a bit more variety of options open to me is nice. |
Sylar
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Gender: Female
Posts: 5703 | September 23rd, 2007 at 04:10pm I kinda feel the need to say, "hey guys, let's stop fighting! Meat eaters are never going to see a vegetarian/vegan's POV or vice versa so what's the point?"
But I won't. Because it won't work. -sigh-
I however, agree wholeheartedly with Can You Say OBSESSED.
Just the thought of having a dead animal in my mouth is enough to make me feel sick to my stomach.
Anyone (sane) who's seen a cow having it's throat slit, then whilst still conscious, being dragged through it's own blood, HAS to think twice about eating meat. Honestly, COME ON. |
lyrical_mess
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| September 23rd, 2007 at 04:43pm Can You Say OBSESSED:Libertina Grimm:I kinda feel the need to say, "hey guys, let's stop fighting! Meat eaters are never going to see a vegetarian/vegan's POV or vice versa so what's the point?"
Actually, this is one issue where people often change their minds.
I used to be a meat eater, but (obviously) not anymore, and I know people who have gone from vegetarianism to eating meat.
I'm a vegetarian. I have been since I was a child. And I can understand people who eat meat. I'm not going to jump down your throat (no pun intended) and tell you to stop. We're omnivores. We eat to survive. But its not just that. I am one of those people who can indeed attest to the fact that eating is a worldly pleasure. If you enjoy the taste, no one has any right to tell you otherwise. |
The Doctor
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| September 23rd, 2007 at 05:17pm Everything is born innocent.
There is no difference.
By implying that a child who eats meat is guilty by hitting with the innocent animals line is morally wrong.
I happily eat meat, mainly due to the fact that I had to eat what I was given. I like the taste of meat.
Mainly chicken or beef, I don't like pork or turkey all that much.
Also, I can respect anyone who is a veggie. My dad was a vegan and my sister was a veggie for months until her willpower broke. It takes a lot of balls to actually give up meat in all it's forms, including stuff like ice-cream. Well, some ice creams and sweets.
Anyway, death happens. I am gonna be truthful in saying that I don't mind if a dead animal is eaten. It just....happens. I would like to see better caring for the animals and a damn sight less cows around the place.
Also...in a life/death situation, I feel cannibalism is useful, coming from the kid that would be first on the menu. Srsly. |
The Doctor
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| September 23rd, 2007 at 06:07pm Can You Say OBSESSED:Herr Doktor:Everything is born innocent.
There is no difference.
By implying that a child who eats meat is guilty by hitting with the innocent animals line is morally wrong.
I happily eat meat, mainly due to the fact that I had to eat what I was given. I like the taste of meat.
Mainly chicken or beef, I don't like pork or turkey all that much.
Also, I can respect anyone who is a veggie. My dad was a vegan and my sister was a veggie for months until her willpower broke. It takes a lot of balls to actually give up meat in all it's forms, including stuff like ice-cream. Well, some ice creams and sweets.
Anyway, death happens. I am gonna be truthful in saying that I don't mind if a dead animal is eaten. It just....happens. I would like to see better caring for the animals and a damn sight less cows around the place.
Also...in a life/death situation, I feel cannibalism is useful, coming from the kid that would be first on the menu. Srsly.
According to your morals.
I believe it is morally wrong to see somebody eating an innocent animal and NOT say something.
Ice cream isn't meat.
You only can't eat ice cream if you're vegan.
And even then, there are alternatives and immitations that taste just as good (often the same exact taste) as the real thing.
Just because death happens doesn't mean it's okay to murder.
I'm not talking about a life or death situation.
I am talking about how, if it's okay to murder an animal as long as you use it, it should be okay to do that to ALL animals. Not just the ones who squeel instead of cry. Dude, there's animal fats in it. Animal fat is conceived from meat.
And murder is defined as the unlawful killing of a human. So...killing an animal is just...killing an animal.
What about spiders? Headlice? Fleas? All the creepy crawlies. They scream when they die. Would you let your pet have fleas and drive them crazy because, on the same technicality, they are animals. You wouldn't kill a cow, how 'bout something that squirms or crawls.
Would you make a lion go veggie? I don't think so. I believe that meat is a vague area and I'll eat it because I like it. I have a great respect to people who don't but that's their choice. Just like chewing down on a bit of animal is mine. |
The Doctor
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| September 23rd, 2007 at 06:20pm I'm too lazy to read entire threads unless I get bored.
It is that logic that runs the world, dude.
It's something called FREE WILL.
If someone wants to shoot up their school then it is most likely they will. If someone wants to complete suicide, again their choice. They have to take the consequences of their actions.
Like me eating too much crap foods and sitting on my ass all day makes me fat. This is a consequence of my actions and no amount of blaming society or whatever will change that.
I am not saying that we should just allow horrid things to happen, I am saying that in a free society, people have the freedom to do as they please because as soon as they do, they will face teh consequences, good and bad.
Stop. Saying. Murder.
It's wrong terminology. |
lyrical_mess
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| September 23rd, 2007 at 07:08pm I agree with Joan. Meat is what humans eat. And you know what? It keeps natural balance of species. And there are certain proteins and carbohydrates found only in meat. |
The Doctor
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| September 23rd, 2007 at 07:37pm Can You Say OBSESSED:
Then don't make me repeat myself.
The free will to rape somebody.
The free will for a man to beat his wife and children.
Just because people have the freedom to choose to do something DOES NOT MEAN ANYBODY SHOULD SIT IDLY BY AND ALLOW THEM TO HAPPEN!!!
"If someone wants to shoot up their school then it is most likely they will. If someone wants to complete suicide, again their choice. They have to take the consequences of their actions. "
So we should allow it to happen?
It's a good thing that nobody tried to stop Hitler for so long, right?
Because nobody has that right, it was his choice to brainwash so many people and murder so many others.
Billie Joe doesn't have the right to write songs against war, right? Because it was George W. Bush's free will.
By the way, in suicide, the person who commited suicide does not have to take the consequences. His or her family and friends do.
Todd's sister will never get the image of her brother hanging in his closet out of her head.
HE did not take that consequence. SHE did.
"I am not saying that we should just allow horrid things to happen, I am saying that in a free society, people have the freedom to do as they please because as soon as they do, they will face teh consequences, good and bad. "
Yes you are.
No, people should not have the right to murder and rape and rob. And people DO have the right to do whatever they can to STOP those things from happening.
No, it is murder. When an innocent creature is killed for an unnecessary porpuse, it is murder.
You also have the free will to get off your ass and stop people. There is nothing on this Earth or in this universe that can ultimately control everyone's actions. I have NEVER freakin' said that they have the right to kill or rape. The have the right to freedom of will. FREE WILL DUDE.
Free Will means having a mind of your own and doing what you wish to do.
Everyone has the potential to be the next Pavlov or the next Einstein or the next Hitler. Everyone, due to freedom of will.
Look it up in a dictionary if you don't believe me.
Now who's putting words in my mouth, huh?
Ultimately, everyone has the ability to choose.
To choose to kill an innocent man or a sonovabitch who tortured you in highschool; to choose to steal or borrow or whatever. Nothing and no-one can take that away.
If someone does something wrong, they will face the consequences because they made a stupid choice.
It's still not murder.
Murder = Illegal.
Meat = Legal.
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rollerpig
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Posts: 62283 | September 23rd, 2007 at 08:48pm Can You Say OBSESSED:
Actually, those proteins and carbohydrates are also found in immitation meat.
=]
Er, not really. Why would you eat immitation if you're able and willing to eat real meat. |
cabot gal
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| September 23rd, 2007 at 09:02pm Can You Say OBSESSED:Why is it okay to murder a pig but not a human?
Why is it okay to shot a chicken but not a human?
It's not. Because humans are different from animals.
Also, just because the country that you're living in decides to kill a pig over a cat for food, doesn't mean that other countries don't do it. It's a matter of taste, and the fact is that those meats like lamb, chicken, pork and beef are more universally accepted to eat, just because they have a taste that most will enjoy. I know that in England, and in America even, there are people that will eat road kill, there's even a restaurant that will serve road kill. Many cultures eat dog and some eat whale and puffin.
Just because those meats are not so widely eaten, doesn't mean that they aren't eaten. So in answer to you saying why kill a pig and not a cat, some people do. |
worn-out astronaut.
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| September 23rd, 2007 at 09:06pm Can You Say OBSESSED:
When did I say a chicken is Einstien?
I said research shows that the average chicken is more intelligent than the average domestic dog.
The average domestic dog is no Einstien.
Good for you, I'm glad you enjoy having a carcas in your mouth. I have- several times- already addressed the issue of starving children. So stop bringing it up. =]
How do I kill pigs for bacon?
I'm a vegetarian, I won't buy meat, and I won't touch meat.
Therefore, I haven't put any money towards meat for several years.
So no, actually I'm not.
Nice try, though.  Have you ever heard of sarcasm?
I never said you buy meat wtf. I said that you blame others for being sick and eating meat, but you defend your meat eating friends even though they do the same thing. |
Sylar
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Posts: 5703 | September 24th, 2007 at 04:49am Can You Say OBSESSED:lyrical_mess:Can You Say OBSESSED:Libertina Grimm:I kinda feel the need to say, "hey guys, let's stop fighting! Meat eaters are never going to see a vegetarian/vegan's POV or vice versa so what's the point?"
Actually, this is one issue where people often change their minds.
I used to be a meat eater, but (obviously) not anymore, and I know people who have gone from vegetarianism to eating meat.
I'm a vegetarian. I have been since I was a child. And I can understand people who eat meat. I'm not going to jump down your throat (no pun intended) and tell you to stop. We're omnivores. We eat to survive. But its not just that. I am one of those people who can indeed attest to the fact that eating is a worldly pleasure. If you enjoy the taste, no one has any right to tell you otherwise.
However, there are ways to get that same taste without an animal needing to die.
I find the death of countless innocent animals to be an important issue, and I'm not going to sit idly by and do nothing about anything I feel is important.
I agree, people would find it surprising just how easy it is to replicate the taste of meat synthetically. I mean, look at vegan sausages, look, taste and smell the same, but aren't. Made from tofu. So I think the 'but I love the taste of meat' excuse is going to old pretty soon. |
Sylar
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Posts: 5703 | September 24th, 2007 at 10:11am ^ I think you may just be one of my favourite people on this site. |
