Sexuality

That's a little creept, Preter. No matter if they are gay, no matter if some guy does like getting with another guy, that doesn't mean they're any less human...and the fact that you can stand before me and say that you don't mind if your fellow humans get shot creeps me out a bit. Pardon me, I need a hot bath now...brrrr.

okay.. churches and whatnot.. religions and all that don't hate gay people. they don't hate any of it by the way. they just feel that being gay is wrong. which i agree with. but God forgives and loves everyone anyway.. i hate when people are all like "why does church think i am evi because i am gay" wtf.. they don't think you are evil.. they don't hate you or anything like that.. they just feel that you are participating in a wrong way of life.

i don't have a problem with gay people.. i feel the way of life is wrong but i would never wish any harm over someone who was gay simply because they are gay. i don't agree with the way of life but gay is not who they are. there is still a person in there, gay does not define who you are.

So Pat Robertson doesn't speak for the Church? That's a relief.

I just don't like the presence of an institution that defines for millions and millions of people how they should and will feel about a certain sexual orientation. Yes, of course I realize that the Church exists to define morality for some people, but that their morals on this issue are so bigoted... Then, when their official stance is bigoted, those politicians that owe their voting base to the Church hup-to and come out against gays too. Argh.

OK, time for my input.

Homophobia is NOT just a hate: its a generality. its a label-homophobic. their not haters, it just means there against it. it doesnt mean they're scared and dont understand,so they hate. its just most straight ppl ive met honestly.

Religion: this is, in its long for, really long... but simply put, i think that churches take this issue to far, but im going to give em their own medicine. in levit., im sure you all know about they gay-bashing phrases in their. in the original greek form, and un-biased translated as it could be, it says its UNRITUAL for a man to sleep with another man like he would with a woman ON HIS WIFES BED. ok, that, in itself, just declares cheating wrong. in two of my bibles, its says god hates it when homo's get iit on. but anyways, waaaaaaaay over in matthew, jesus says two things. one about how, literally, all those rituals and things were meant for those people, and thats why jesus had come, to save them, and we dont need them anymore.
He also said that he was king of all people, king of all nations. that includes gays.

personally, i think that alone says God gives gays just as much right to live in equality with the hetros.

thats my rant. and, as corny as the phrase is, love is love, does it matter who recieves it?


PS: not fair! whenever i made a gay thread it got deleted! ill go cry now

Well obviously we all don't have a problem with gays. I mean come on...we love Green Day. They are not exactly the straightest guys going. But I'm a firm believer that everyone is bi-sexual. I mean we're all made up of male and female genes. So it just makes sense.

The gays I know, arent very nice
I also don't believe that people can be gay, I think they just think they are.

But however I don't care about those people

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That's a little creept, Preter. No matter if they are gay, no matter if some guy does like getting with another guy, that doesn't mean they're any less human...and the fact that you can stand before me and say that you don't mind if your fellow humans get shot creeps me out a bit. Pardon me, I need a hot bath now...brrrr.

there not less human, Idont believe in that shit.... I just don't care for those people..... Here, or not


I have a uncle who says he's is gay...

Well if you don't see how boys like boys, or girls like girls, maybe they can't see why girls like boys, and boys like girls.

dirtyhippie:

spill_no_sick:

one of the rules in the forum is "no misleading or propaganda"
war has never been about religion, religion has just been a scapegoat
yeah part of the Crusades was the spread of Chrisitanity, but one of the main reasons was becasue Italy cost too much to travel through and trade with (which is how Columbus discovered for the Europeans Americaa, he looked for another trade route)
The Crusades may have had an affect on religion, but it wasn't all about that
and "turn the other cheek" refers to some one punching you, not declaring war on you, then it's not Christian, it's down right Socialist
check my sig, I think it's quote refers to you misleading more than your quote from some comedian codems the Bible

Ah! I was wondering when I'd get into a discussion with you. I've heard of
your reputation from paradoxical (good friend of mine).

For the record, I don't believe that anything I said was propaganda. (If it was, that's the first bit of propaganda Buddhists have had in centuries! w00t!) Which parts were propaganda? I can support pretty muchly everything I've said thus far with last year's Global History class and my home history books. Which brings me to another thing: I most likely should have explained who Larry Gonick was before I quoted him...He is a historian who has published ten or more books on varying subjects, three of them world history, one US history. All are meticuously researched and all are in a cartoon-comic style format.

These books are where I draw a lot of my knowledge of history from; his website is larrygonick.com. Now on to the debate:

Urban II was spurred to start the first crusade through urges from a man named Peter the Hermit, who brought tales of how decidely un-Christian the Muslims were being in Jerusalem. The pope gathered an army and sent them off (an over-simplified but true explanation).

The second crusade was motivated by attacks on Crusader settlements by a Muslim general named Zengi. Etc., etc., etc. It is true that Italy was an expensive trader and suchnot, but it was that COMBINED with the fact that no European traders could get through the Muslims that spurred Columbus on to sail across the ocean blue (and discover a land that had long ago been discovered by people from the north traveling across the Beringia).

Good to finally talk to you.

the whole part about "the turn the other cheek religion" is the most violent source of war was propaganda
#1 almost everyone back then was the same religion, so even if you weren't you said you were...it was taboo not to be back then, so you took the religioud status out of context
#2 the war wasn't about only religion, The Crusades were from a part of the world fed up with other parts of the world
it's not like now where we can have all the world leaders in the same building in less than an hour, they didn't have what we have now, they could only use war as a successful way of sorting things out: cooperation is much harder than people make it seem
#3 you fucking used that one dude to back up your facts! you used your class in school to back up your facts!
remember in Elementary School where Columbus was made to look like a hero? well in High School you're taught he was Satan...never use a text book as solid facts, text books are biased to the morals that we as a society want in a text book
we want everyone to think that Christians are gay bashers and all drugs are horible....text books should not be trusted without at least two more reliable sources
never put any "facts" in that have a biased spin: I will catch them and thrash you for it, I'm sure our friend would have told you that

one of the big things with this forum is that it's thought out using logic, not emotion, we're not writing persuasive letters, we're giving our opinions and support for our opinions, I think that's a better system than everyone force feeding eachother crap to persuade them to change their opinions, don't you think?

x[Nine_Inch_Nails]x:

Well if you don't see how boys like boys, or girls like girls, maybe they can't see why girls like boys, and boys like girls.

then they just dont get nature man

and they are the same as someone with 6 fingers on one hand

and that is an error

Preter:

and that is an error

i see where your coming from, and tend to disagree with your theory on thinking and being.

i mean, do you think your straight, or are you. you probably are, and thats dicatated on how you live your life, and most importantly, your attractions. if one guy is attracted to another guy, that kinda makes him gay.

as to the other person. i can see why some guys like guys, so im sure some gays understand the straights. i know from first-hand expierence, im friggin bi, a bit partial to one side, if ya know what i mean. and you do.

it's a matte rof opinion, ppl can be pedofiles, lesbians, bi's or whatever...i don't care...be they or be they not...i don't give a dman...it's their life, and i don't have the right to tell them what they should n what they shouldnät, i don't believe in A GOD...god doesn't exist for me. i have my own religion, n it's called "i believe in luck, i believe in spirits., butni don't believe in god" well, i believe in dstiny n i believe in rebirth n i belive n things like that..but i don't believe in god lol.

iplayguitar:

it's a matte rof opinion, ppl can be pedofiles, lesbians, bi's or whatever...i don't care...be they or be they not...i don't give a dman...it's their life, and i don't have the right to tell them what they should n what they shouldnät, i don't believe in A GOD...god doesn't exist for me. i have my own religion, n it's called "i believe in luck, i believe in spirits., butni don't believe in god" well, i believe in dstiny n i believe in rebirth n i belive n things like that..but i don't believe in god lol.

You think you can honestly justify pedofillia? [sp?]

zdf_jammin:

Preter:

and that is an error

i see where your coming from, and tend to disagree with your theory on thinking and being.

i mean, do you think your straight, or are you. you probably are, and thats dicatated on how you live your life, and most importantly, your attractions. if one guy is attracted to another guy, that kinda makes him gay.

as to the other person. i can see why some guys like guys, so im sure some gays understand the straights. i know from first-hand expierence, im friggin bi, a bit partial to one side, if ya know what i mean. and you do.

all I am saying if evrybody was gay mankind would be death in 100 years

(well, that go's pretty far, but ... ya know what I mean)

Nine Intch Nails....i can't, but it's their life, n they can do whateve rthey want with it, if thats what ppl wanna do, then they should find a person who is like them n get on with their life...damn...that was all i wante to say..be they or be they not, i don'tgive a fuckin damn.

x[Nine_Inch_Nails]x:

Well if you don't see how boys like boys, or girls like girls, maybe they can't see why girls like boys, and boys like girls.

Thts true. I am gay and I dnt c hw men can like women and vice versa. it mite b different 4 othas, bt thts my view.

Phoenix:

x[Nine_Inch_Nails]x:

Well if you don't see how boys like boys, or girls like girls, maybe they can't see why girls like boys, and boys like girls.

Thts true. I am gay and I dnt c hw men can like women and vice versa. it mite b different 4 othas, bt thts my view.

That's a very different point of view, it's great that you say it aloud.

Just like as if:

Phoenix:

x[Nine_Inch_Nails]x:

Well if you don't see how boys like boys, or girls like girls, maybe they can't see why girls like boys, and boys like girls.

Thts true. I am gay and I dnt c hw men can like women and vice versa. it mite b different 4 othas, bt thts my view.

That's a very different point of view, it's great that you say it aloud.

well.. since it's been that way since the beginning of time i'm sure it's not hard to see. thank you.

I have nothing to do about this,
it is none of my business if others are gay or not.. (Until I try to go out with them... )
Others don't judge me or my opinions, than I will do the same!