Well I think abortion is all right if you HAVE to do it. Like rape and sometimes people get sick and have to get an abortion or it would hurt them and the child. But just getting an abortion because you don't want a child is wrong.
Usually when a person gets an "abortion" (I know it has another name in this case) for medical reasons, it's not don early on in the pregnancy and it's a surgery and a much bigger procedure. They really arent the same thing.
Matt Smith Admin Age: 33 Gender: Female Posts: 31134
September 17th, 2006 at 09:59am
sorry_your_not_a_winner:
yeah rape should be a special case.
cos some women find everytime they look at there child it reminds them of there ordeal they went through.
and the pain it caused them. and sometimes the kids wanna meet the father or something.
so yeah rape should be a special case
I don't think thats grounds for abortion, really.
Yeah, every kid has a right to know their father. He might be a rapist, he might be a murderer, he might be a schoolteacher, but people still want to know where they came from. People still have the right to know that information. Killing a baby because they "might wanna meet their father or something" is really not justifiable.
cabot gal GSBitch Age: 33 Gender: Female Posts: 76863
September 17th, 2006 at 10:11am
Even if you don't agree with abortion, shouldn't women have at least the choice to have one?
Even if you don't agree with abortion, shouldn't women have at least the choice to have one?
I Dont think anyone should have the right to kill something for their benifit.
Lucifers Angel King For A Couple Of Days Age: - Gender: Female Posts: 4751
September 17th, 2006 at 04:59pm
Menstrual extraction
A very early suction abortion, often done before the pregnancy test is positive.
Suction
The abortionist first paralyzes the cervix (womb opening). He then inserts a hollow plastic tube with a knife-like tip into the uterus. The tube is connected to a powerful pump with a suction force 29 times more powerful than a home vacuum cleaner. The procedure tears the baby's body into pieces and the hose frequently jerks as pieces of the baby become lodged. The placenta is then cut from the inner wall of the uterus and the scraps are sucked out into a bottle. (photo)
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Video of suction abortion
Video of suction abortion via ultrasound
Dilatation & Curettage (D&C)
Uncommon today and used during the first 10 weeks of pregnancy. This is similar to the suction procedure except that the abortionist inserts a curette, a loop-shaped steel knife up into the uterus. He then cuts the placenta and baby into pieces and scrapes them out into a basin. Bleeding is usually profuse.
Dilatation & Evacuation (D&E)
Performed during the second trimester (4-6 months) of pregnancy. This method has largely replaced saline and chemical abortions, which too frequently resulted in live births, a complication from the abortionist's perspective! A pliers-like instrument is needed because the baby's bones are calcified, as is the skull. There is no anesthetic for the baby. The abortionist inserts the instrument into the uterus, seizes a leg or other part of the body and, with a twisting motion, tears it from the baby's body. This is repeated again and again. The spine must be snapped, and the skull crushed to remove them. The nurse's job is to reassemble the body parts to be sure that all are removed.
D & X (Partial Birth)
Also used for advanced pregnancies. The cervix is dilated to allow passage of a ring forceps. A foot or lower leg is located and pulled into the vagina. The baby is extracted in breech fashion until the head is just inside the cervix. The baby's legs hang outside the woman's body. With the baby face-down, scissors are plunged into the baby's head at the nape of the neck and spread open to enlarge the wound (see photo). A suction tip is inserted and the baby's brain is removed. The skull collapses and the baby is delivered. Sharp and suction curettage is continued until the walls of the womb are clean. Read a nurse's (Brenda Pratt Shafer) eyewitness account of a partial birth procedure.
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For an eyewitness account of a partial birth abortion, see "True Stories From People Who Know." Also see "Partial Birth Abortion Perspective" for a medial opinion on this procedure.
Abortions from above
Hysterotomy
This method is usually used late in pregnancy and is likened to an "early" Caesarian section. The mother's abdomen and uterus are surgically opened and the baby is lifted out. Unfortunately, many of these babies are very much alive when removed. To kill the babies, some abortionists have been known to plunge them into buckets of water or smother them with the placentas. Still others cut the cord while the baby is still inside the uterus depriving the baby of oxygen. (photo)
Drug abortions
Salt Poisoning a.k.a. "Candy Apple Babies:"
Most often used after the first trimester (first three months). The abortionist injects a strong salt solution directly into the amniotic sac (fluid surrounding the baby). The baby breathes and swallows it, is poisoned, struggles, and sometimes convulses. It takes over an hour to kill the baby. The mother delivers the dead baby in a day or two (sometimes alive!). Why "candy apple" babies? The corrosive effect of the salt solution often burns and strips away the outer layer of the baby's skin. This exposes the raw, red, glazed-looking subcutaneous layer of tissue. The baby's head sometimes looks like a candy apple. Some have also likened this method to the effect of napalm on innocent war victims. This technique was originally developed in the concentration camps in Nazi Germany. (source: Abortion and Social Justice, NY: Sheed & Ward, 1972) Read about Gianna Jessen, who survived a salt poisoning abortion.
Photo of salt-poisoned baby.
Video of salt-poisoning procedure
Prostaglandin Abortions
Three forms, two are injected and one is a vaginal suppository. Its first approved use was for "the induction of midtrimester abortion." The hormone produces a violent labor and delivery of whatever size baby the mother carries. If the baby is old enough to survive the trauma of labor, it may be born alive, but is usually too small to survive. In one article, among the complications listed was "live birth!"
RU-486
A drug that produces an abortion taken after the mother misses her period. Its effect is to block the use of an essential hormonal nutrient by the newly-implanted baby, who then dies, and drops off. Note that RU-486 is not a contraceptive because it does not prevent fertilization or implantation. It is used only after the mother has missed her period and the baby is at least two to three weeks old, with a beating heart (the fetal heart begins to beat when the woman is four days late for her period). It is no longer effective after six or eight weeks. See The Abortion Cocktail article. Read how Methotrexate - one of the drugs contained in RU486 - can cause liver damage, kidney destruction, heart muscle compromise, pulmonary failure, gastrointestinal pathology, and bone marrow suppression. It has also been reported to cause loss of speech function, strokes, and convulsions.
Miscellaneous Techniques
The techniques listed above are the most common, yet abortionists throughout history have tried all kinds of techniques for killing gestating babies. Here's one such account:
Sarah Brown’s mother had carried her to full term, 36 weeks, when she decided to abort her baby. That was on July 13, 1993. The abortionist stabbed Sarah in the brain three times with a needle filled with poison. But something went "wrong"; two days later she was born live in a Wichita, Kansas, hospital. Bill and Marykay Brown obtained temporary custody of the baby within 24 hours of her birth and adopted her 30 days later. "For the first few months she seemed to be progressing normally, although she was blind," said Marykay Brown in a 1998 interview with National Right to Life News. "She had acute hearing, and was beginning to try to speak." But at about six months Sarah suffered a stroke and never fully recovered. Mrs. Brown says Sarah never spoke or walked, but "she recognized us and learned to smile." See Abortion Survivors.
Post a link to where you took that information from.
spill_no_sick Falling In Love With The Board Age: 31 Gender: - Posts: 8588
September 17th, 2006 at 08:41pm
I didn't even pay attention to it because it's such conservitive propaganda
Insurgentes Post Whore Age: 37 Gender: Female Posts: 23688
September 18th, 2006 at 01:37am
spill_no_sick:
Lucifers Angel:
I_worship_tre_Cool:
No, abortion is never neccessary, ever. Adoption, just because you can't care for the child doesnt mean it deserves to die, everything deserves a fair channce at life. There are children now living in poverty, should we kill them off? No, they still deserve to live.
well said!! everyone has a fair chance at life, there are always other options open to people than getting a dr to kill a child, or to go home and stick two knitting needles up yourself (which is done a fair bit in britain more than i care to admit)
I think that rape should be a special case though
I agree, but I also think that if the child has something seriously wrong with them, or that if the pregnancy is a danger to the mother, that should also be applicable.
Lucifers Angel King For A Couple Of Days Age: - Gender: Female Posts: 4751
September 18th, 2006 at 08:15am
I_worship_tre_Cool:
Post a link to where you took that information from.
i am trieing to find it.
spill_no_sick Falling In Love With The Board Age: 31 Gender: - Posts: 8588
September 18th, 2006 at 03:08pm
[Serena] Fallen Angel:
spill_no_sick:
Lucifers Angel:
I_worship_tre_Cool:
No, abortion is never neccessary, ever. Adoption, just because you can't care for the child doesnt mean it deserves to die, everything deserves a fair channce at life. There are children now living in poverty, should we kill them off? No, they still deserve to live.
well said!! everyone has a fair chance at life, there are always other options open to people than getting a dr to kill a child, or to go home and stick two knitting needles up yourself (which is done a fair bit in britain more than i care to admit)
I think that rape should be a special case though
I agree, but I also think that if the child has something seriously wrong with them, or that if the pregnancy is a danger to the mother, that should also be applicable.
I believe that in those cases...we should do something much different with other countries first since there is a huge percentage of miscariges or death to the mother during birth in other countries
davey jones. Falling In Love With The Board Age: 32 Gender: Female Posts: 7018
September 18th, 2006 at 04:21pm
She may gotten the information from here, if you don't mind me helping.
Lucifers Angel King For A Couple Of Days Age: - Gender: Female Posts: 4751
September 19th, 2006 at 06:02am
A Melancholy Autumn:
She may gotten the information from here, if you don't mind me helping.
i dont think that was the page but that will do, and thx for the help.
Matt Smith Admin Age: 33 Gender: Female Posts: 31134
September 19th, 2006 at 11:11am
[Serena] Fallen Angel:
I agree, but I also think that if the child has something seriously wrong with them, or that if the pregnancy is a danger to the mother, that should also be applicable.
How serious?
Lucifers Angel King For A Couple Of Days Age: - Gender: Female Posts: 4751
September 19th, 2006 at 11:14am
Bloodraine:
[Serena] Fallen Angel:
I agree, but I also think that if the child has something seriously wrong with them, or that if the pregnancy is a danger to the mother, that should also be applicable.
How serious?
yeah what one person seems serious another doesnt so what do you concider serious?
what most people dont understand is that women (mostly teenagers) get abortions because they can't tell their parents. i personally think it's the parents fault for not helping their children if they are pregnant, because in most cases parents just disown their kids....
John Entwistle Great Success! Age: 36 Gender: Female Posts: 55036
I'm against it. Millions of babies voices are silenced every year before they are even born due to abortion. I think we should speak up for them, for they are unable to.
If women can prove they were raped, we should take pity on them, and let them have abortions, even though it would be better for them for just adopt the babies. After all, it wasn't their choice to get knocked up. They should get a choice as to wheither or not to get an abortion, as apposed to someone who did have a choice to get knocked up.
John Entwistle Great Success! Age: 36 Gender: Female Posts: 55036
September 23rd, 2006 at 10:15pm
krazygdgirl:
I'm against it. Millions of babies voices are silenced every year before they are even born due to abortion. I think we should speak up for them, for they are unable to.
If women can prove they were raped, we should take pity on them, and let them have abortions, even though it would be better for them for just adopt the babies. After all, it wasn't their choice to get knocked up. They should get a choice as to wheither or not to get an abortion, as apposed to someone who did have a choice to get knocked up.
I agree with about 75% of what you just said. That last part not so much, but the first part. I agree totally.
If it was rape, or a case where it could kill the mother, that's one thing, but if you choose not to use a condom and/or birth contol, then you should not have had sex in the first place, but if they doen't have enough money, give the baby to a relative, while you try to make money to support yourself and the child. And instead of having an abortion, you could give the embreo up for stem cell research that will save peoples' lives. If it does happen, it just means that it wasn't ready to be born. Also, it could end up being the best thing that ever happened to you. Also, its not fair to all the women who can't have children, so there is adoption. My grandmother had my dad at 17, got pregnate at 16, had her parents raise him for 5 years while she finished her education. The father never helped and she never married her baby's father, and put her parents through that type of situation, humiliation, and work is shocking.
Miley Cyrus Basket Case Age: 32 Gender: Female Posts: 15185
September 24th, 2006 at 02:44pm
I_worship_tre_Cool:
Boobmeister:
Even if you don't agree with abortion, shouldn't women have at least the choice to have one?
I Dont think anyone should have the right to kill something for their benifit.
There's still no proof that it's actually life yet =/
If something doesn't have a beating heart yet, or even lungs, I consider it not alive.
