Oh, right. I'm sorry I forgot. The whole bloody world revolves around America. Stupid me.
I apologize for assuming that you might have been from somewhere in the west. Thinking that the whole world revolves around america is an arrogant an revolting notion, so sorry for that it was truly unintended. Besides at the time when you posted your asian background I was typing another response....
lyrical_mess Falling In Love With The Board Age: 33 Gender: Female Posts: 5278
April 25th, 2007 at 01:02pm
I live in Asia too. India to be specific.
lyrical_mess Falling In Love With The Board Age: 33 Gender: Female Posts: 5278
Great! How's things over there? (You can PM me so we don't go off topic)
Ol' Blue Eyes. King For A Couple Of Days Age: 36 Gender: Female Posts: 4816
April 25th, 2007 at 02:53pm
I know I'll probably be shot for this, but, aside from all the other points made, I really want to know what gives one group of people the right to tell another group that they can't have abortions.
It's bullshit, because everyone has their own belief systems and the right to make their own decisions. Ultimately, it's my own body, my own decision, and I demand the right to do what I want with both.
People take responsibility for their actions. If they abort, then they'll live with it. If you think getting an abortion is wrong, don't get one. It's that simple.
I know I'll probably be shot for this, but, aside from all the other points made, I really want to know what gives one group of people the right to tell another group that they can't have abortions.
It's bullshit, because everyone has their own belief systems and the right to make their own decisions. Ultimately, it's my own body, my own decision, and I demand the right to do what I want with both.
People take responsibility for their actions. If they abort, then they'll live with it. If you think getting an abortion is wrong, don't get one. It's that simple.
I agree with you to a certain extent, but that's one hell of a hard point to argue.
What gives people the right to tell others they can't commit murder?
Ol' Blue Eyes. King For A Couple Of Days Age: 36 Gender: Female Posts: 4816
April 25th, 2007 at 03:04pm
rehabreject:
Ol' Blue Eyes.:
I know I'll probably be shot for this, but, aside from all the other points made, I really want to know what gives one group of people the right to tell another group that they can't have abortions.
It's bullshit, because everyone has their own belief systems and the right to make their own decisions. Ultimately, it's my own body, my own decision, and I demand the right to do what I want with both.
People take responsibility for their actions. If they abort, then they'll live with it. If you think getting an abortion is wrong, don't get one. It's that simple.
I agree with you to a certain extent, but that's one hell of a hard point to argue.
What gives people the right to tell others they can't commit murder?
True, true.
Though I view abortion as a medical procedure, performed by a doctor. And since I don't believe that life truly begins until after birth, I don't see it as murder.
Lucifers Angel King For A Couple Of Days Age: - Gender: Female Posts: 4751
April 25th, 2007 at 03:14pm
Ol' Blue Eyes.:
rehabreject:
Ol' Blue Eyes.:
I know I'll probably be shot for this, but, aside from all the other points made, I really want to know what gives one group of people the right to tell another group that they can't have abortions.
It's bullshit, because everyone has their own belief systems and the right to make their own decisions. Ultimately, it's my own body, my own decision, and I demand the right to do what I want with both.
People take responsibility for their actions. If they abort, then they'll live with it. If you think getting an abortion is wrong, don't get one. It's that simple.
I agree with you to a certain extent, but that's one hell of a hard point to argue.
What gives people the right to tell others they can't commit murder?
True, true.
Though I view abortion as a medical procedure, performed by a doctor. And since I don't believe that life truly begins until after birth, I don't see it as murder.
but shouldnt an un born child who's heart is beating be seen has living?? The heart is beating and brain is formed,
And since I don't believe that life truly begins until after birth, I don't see it as murder.
Do you really believe that an 8-month-old baby, with a heartbeat, nerve imsulses, movement, taste, touch, hearing, hands, feet, nose, eyelashes, everthing..isn't actually alive?
Chrissi King For A Couple Of Days Age: 38 Gender: Female Posts: 3145
April 25th, 2007 at 05:01pm
I'm kind of on the fence with this one. I think there are some circumstances when it may be an "easier" option to have an abortion, like if the mother has been attacked or something like that. I have heard of some people that when they find out that their unborn child may have a disability and they think they won't be able to cope with it they abort it. I suppose in this situation the child could go into care, but then that's putting more children into the care system who may not find a family although they may. I don't know, it's a tricky situation which I believe depends on the individual persons circumstances.
“[..]an 8-month-old baby, with a heartbeat, nerve impulses, movement, taste, touch, hearing, hands, feet, nose, eyelashes, everthing..isn't actually alive?”
A person in a coma also has heartbeat, nerve impulses, (sometimes) movement and/or involuntary reflexes, taste, touch, hearing, hands, feet, nose, eyelashes…
But are those physiological impulses truly theirs or is it because of the life support machine?
Were you to pull the plug, that person would be no more, and chances are that s/he wouldn’t feel a thing, and also chances are that the person isn‘t really there, meaning inside their own bodies. Many never wake up.
What I’m trying to illustrate is that fetus physiological activities are kept ‘alive’ thanks to their machine support that is the placenta via the physical connection to the hosts, the mother. And its wrong to call it a symbiotic relationship because in symbiotic relationships both subjects benefit from the exchange. In gestation only one of the two benefits from the association. In mammals the gestation process is highly invasive but in our ‘culture’ it’s romantized to hide the harshness and realities of it.
Most people that agree with abortion, won’t tolerate the possibility of aborting a 4 months old fetus, never mind an 8 months one. You’re being fatalistic and are trying to manipulate people’s emotions by evoking the mental picture of a 8 months cuddly little baby.
The line is drawn for the procedure at the initial months after conception.
Matt Smith Admin Age: 33 Gender: Female Posts: 31134
April 25th, 2007 at 05:36pm
PentatonicA:
Most people that agree with abortion, won’t tolerate the possibility of aborting a 4 months old fetus, never mind an 8 months one. You’re being fatalistic and are trying to manipulate people’s emotions by evoking the mental picture of a 8 months cuddly little baby.
The line is drawn for the procedure at the initial months after conception.
In my country, we have abortions until the 6th month.
How do you feel about that?
Chrissi King For A Couple Of Days Age: 38 Gender: Female Posts: 3145
April 25th, 2007 at 05:46pm
For me I think at six months that is quite late in pregnancy to have an abortion.
Sixth month “ after six months
Foetus is 11 to 14 inches long
Weighs about 1¾ to 2 pounds
Eyelids begin to part and eyes open occasionally for brief times
Skin is covered with protective coating called vernix
Foetus is able to hiccup
Taste buds appear
I just think it's slightly sad when pregnancy is terminated at this stage, as if there wasn't a medical reason for it I think it is too late to terminate the pregnancy. The foetus can hiccup and it's taste buds are appearing!! I'm not saying it is wrong or right that in your country abortions can happen up to six months, in my personal opinion I feel that that is too late.
Ol' Blue Eyes. King For A Couple Of Days Age: 36 Gender: Female Posts: 4816
April 25th, 2007 at 05:56pm
PentatonicA:
“[..]an 8-month-old baby, with a heartbeat, nerve impulses, movement, taste, touch, hearing, hands, feet, nose, eyelashes, everthing..isn't actually alive?”
A person in a coma also has heartbeat, nerve impulses, (sometimes) movement and/or involuntary reflexes, taste, touch, hearing, hands, feet, nose, eyelashes…
But are those physiological impulses truly theirs or is it because of the life support machine?
Were you to pull the plug, that person would be no more, and chances are that s/he wouldn’t feel a thing, and also chances are that the person isn‘t really there, meaning inside their own bodies. Many never wake up.
What I’m trying to illustrate is that fetus physiological activities are kept ‘alive’ thanks to their machine support that is the placenta via the physical connection to the hosts, the mother. And its wrong to call it a symbiotic relationship because in symbiotic relationships both subjects benefit from the exchange. In gestation only one of the two benefits from the association. In mammals the gestation process is highly invasive but in our ‘culture’ it’s romantized to hide the harshness and realities of it.
Most people that agree with abortion, won’t tolerate the possibility of aborting a 4 months old fetus, never mind an 8 months one. You’re being fatalistic and are trying to manipulate people’s emotions by evoking the mental picture of a 8 months cuddly little baby.
The line is drawn for the procedure at the initial months after conception.
Thanks. That was exactly my point.
Misanthropist Post Whore Age: 32 Gender: Female Posts: 23279
April 25th, 2007 at 05:57pm
Chrissi_1986:
For me I think at six months that is quite late in pregnancy to have an abortion.
Sixth month “ after six months
Foetus is 11 to 14 inches long
Weighs about 1¾ to 2 pounds
Eyelids begin to part and eyes open occasionally for brief times
Skin is covered with protective coating called vernix
Foetus is able to hiccup
Taste buds appear
I just think it's slightly sad when pregnancy is terminated at this stage, as if there wasn't a medical reason for it I think it is too late to terminate the pregnancy. The foetus can hiccup and it's taste buds are appearing!! I'm not saying it is wrong or right that in your country abortions can happen up to six months, in my personal opinion I feel that that is too late.
“[..]an 8-month-old baby, with a heartbeat, nerve impulses, movement, taste, touch, hearing, hands, feet, nose, eyelashes, everthing..isn't actually alive?”
A person in a coma also has heartbeat, nerve impulses, (sometimes) movement and/or involuntary reflexes, taste, touch, hearing, hands, feet, nose, eyelashes…
But are those physiological impulses truly theirs or is it because of the life support machine?
Were you to pull the plug, that person would be no more, and chances are that s/he wouldn’t feel a thing, and also chances are that the person isn‘t really there, meaning inside their own bodies. Many never wake up.
What I’m trying to illustrate is that fetus physiological activities are kept ‘alive’ thanks to their machine support that is the placenta via the physical connection to the hosts, the mother. And its wrong to call it a symbiotic relationship because in symbiotic relationships both subjects benefit from the exchange. In gestation only one of the two benefits from the association. In mammals the gestation process is highly invasive but in our ‘culture’ it’s romantized to hide the harshness and realities of it.
Most people that agree with abortion, won’t tolerate the possibility of aborting a 4 months old fetus, never mind an 8 months one. You’re being fatalistic and are trying to manipulate people’s emotions by evoking the mental picture of a 8 months cuddly little baby.
The line is drawn for the procedure at the initial months after conception.
Ah okay, so you're saying that because the foetus is kept 'alive' only thanks to its mother, it's not officially alive.
Then you've effectively dismissed every organism that depends on another for it's survival - which means that by your definition, every kind of parasite on this planet is not a living creature.
I'm trying not to use emotional blackmail in the form of a cute cuddly baby, I simply am interested in what you would classify as 'alive'.
To be honest, I don't see that much difference between the baby living off food delivered to it through the placenta, and when the mother feeds it by hand (or breast, I guess) - in both cases the child would die without the mother; meanwhile she sure as hell isn't benefiting from the relationship.
I also think you cannot compare an unborn baby to a coma victim, but that's a different issue...
Chrissi King For A Couple Of Days Age: 38 Gender: Female Posts: 3145
April 25th, 2007 at 06:03pm
I've said before, I'm not sure whether there is a right or wrong time as it depends on the individuals circumstances. What I mean also is that I think by 6 months in most people's cases they would have decided whether or not to keep the child or not. No one can really say when it "should" be done or "if" it should be done, we're merely just dicussing it.
Brendon Urie.. King For A Couple Of Days Age: 37 Gender: Female Posts: 2394
April 25th, 2007 at 06:43pm
Nobody has a problem with killing bugs.
They have a problem with somebody else not being society's bitch and making a decision to not allow the cells inside of her uterus to grow to term.
So my advice is this... everyone should mind their own damn business.
If you ban abortions you're just going to bring back the coat hanger ones.
And then you have two "lives" on your hand as opposed to the cells.
If you don't want one, don't have one.
My uterus is not your political playground.
Ol' Blue Eyes. King For A Couple Of Days Age: 36 Gender: Female Posts: 4816
April 25th, 2007 at 06:51pm
Chrissi_1986:
I've said before, I'm not sure whether there is a right or wrong time as it depends on the individuals circumstances. What I mean also is that I think by 6 months in most people's cases they would have decided whether or not to keep the child or not. No one can really say when it "should" be done or "if" it should be done, we're merely just dicussing it.
I agree that the decision should be made quickly, but I also think that sometimes there are just unforseen circumstances that would merit an abortion.
Really, I think it varies from person to person, and there is no way to rule out abortions, because they will always be necessary.
I know I'll probably be shot for this, but, aside from all the other points made, I really want to know what gives one group of people the right to tell another group that they can't have abortions.
It's bullshit, because everyone has their own belief systems and the right to make their own decisions. Ultimately, it's my own body, my own decision, and I demand the right to do what I want with both.
People take responsibility for their actions. If they abort, then they'll live with it. If you think getting an abortion is wrong, don't get one. It's that simple.
Well, what gives people the right to say any crime is wrong then? Some people believe its ok to drive drunk, should we let them? Some people think its acceptable to beat animals, is that fine too? Some peoples belief systems might say that murder is ok, does that mean everyone else should just ignore murders? If murders started demanding that they have the right to make their own choices I doubt you'd be saying the same thing. Im sure a family who just lost someone to being murdered would just love your if they did it, they have to live with it philosophy. 'Cause that is fair and everything...
What makes abortion such a big debate is that some people do view it as murder, as a crime. Others don't. Thats what gives people the right to tell people 'what to do with their bodies' (which they aren't, you choose to have sex, unless you're raped no one makes you) If you view a fetus as a human life, then you would consider abortion to be murder. If you don't consider the living, human cells of a human fetus to be a human life, then you probably have no problem with abortion.
You can say you're on whatever side you like, but no matter if you support abortion all the time, some of the time or never, it comes down to if you consider it to be murder, and consider it a crime. That is what gives people the right to tell others what to do.
I'm not saying it is wrong or right that in your country abortions can happen up to six months, in my personal opinion I feel that that is too late.
