If there are different opinions of the truth though, then we don't know the truth, do we?
Truth can be defined as things proven scientifically, facts. However, how we choose to apply and use those facts is where opinions begin to differ. When discussing opinions, there is no truth or lies, its a form of personal exspression that will be different for every person.
Thats the point in debating, argueing your interpretation of something to be correct against others who think it's false in an attepmt to prove something.
Anji Basket Case Age: 35 Gender: Female Posts: 15914
October 15th, 2006 at 10:35am
I_worship_tre_Cool:
Anji:
If there are different opinions of the truth though, then we don't know the truth, do we?
Truth can be defined as things proven scientifically, facts. However, how we choose to apply and use those facts is where opinions begin to differ. When discussing opinions, there is no truth or lies, its a form of personal exspression that will be different for every person.
Thats the point in debating, argueing your interpretation of something to be correct against others who think it's false in an attepmt to prove something.
I agree, I believe that there is no such thing as the truth at all. I think all fact is based on biased theory and interpretation. All knowledge is based on judgement. Nothing in the world is actually right or correct or true except the way we feel.
I agree, I believe that there is no such thing as the truth at all. I think all fact is based on biased theory and interpretation. All knowledge is based on judgement. Nothing in the world is actually right or correct or true except the way we feel.
I love how this just discussion just randomly popped up in the Veganism
thread
But yes, I agree with that. Now we can get back on topic
Anji Basket Case Age: 35 Gender: Female Posts: 15914
October 15th, 2006 at 10:41am
I_worship_tre_Cool:
Anji:
I agree, I believe that there is no such thing as the truth at all. I think all fact is based on biased theory and interpretation. All knowledge is based on judgement. Nothing in the world is actually right or correct or true except the way we feel.
I love how this just discussion just randomly popped up in the Veganism
thread
But yes, I agree with that. Now we can get back on topic
Kristmas_Tsanne Great Success! Age: 32 Gender: Male Posts: 59161
October 18th, 2006 at 10:09am
I think veganism is perfectly fine, its great. But its not for me.
Im not a vegetarian either, but i can perfectly see how it works. Not for me either, though.
I think vegatarians and vegans are getting the wrong end of the stick.
we're designed to eat meat. We need to use animals, slaugtering of animals was in all the major holy books,, so GOD doesnt think its wrong.
He also provided animals for us, so... yeah... eat meat.
I think vegatarians and vegans are getting the wrong end of the stick.
we're designed to eat meat. We need to use animals, slaugtering of animals was in all the major holy books,, so GOD doesnt think its wrong.
He also provided animals for us, so... yeah... eat meat.
Humans are designed to eat all types of food. People who disagree with eating animals and animal by-products aren't getting the "wrong end of the stick" they've just made a personal choice about how they live their lives that you don't agree with. Vegans can have healthy diets without meat and dairy, there are plenty of subustiutes such as soya and vitimins and minerals can be obtained from other foods.
This may come as a shock to you but "GOD" didn't write the holy books, people did. And if you don't mind me saying so using a being that might not even exsist -and even if they did exsist you don't know their intentions- is a pretty stupid reason for eating meat. I really don't understand how anyone can think animals were "provided" for us to eat when there are probably millions of animals out there that aren't suitable for eating, but perhaps you think GOD gave us those so we would have nature programmes to watch.
Plug In Baby. Addict Age: 34 Gender: Female Posts: 11334
October 19th, 2006 at 09:23am
Yeah, exactly. I'm a vegetarian. But I don't preach about anything, I just choose not to eat meat. I actually really hate it when people are all waving their meat in my face, and trying to get me to eat it, or trying to slip it into my food or something, its a personal choice.
Meat is there for us to eat, but that doesn't mean we HAVE to eat meat. We can eat whatever we want.
They told me to come here with my vegetarian info. I dont agree because vegetarianism is different. I had some good links, so you can go check the locked one i made.
There's no good reason to be vegeterian/vegan accordning to me.
Buy ecological meat instead if you don't want to be "harming" any animals.
As "keyboard not found" said; we're designed to eat meat.
But now it has come many other sorts of foods so we have much more to choose from.
We're not depending on meat anylonger, as people did hundreds of years ago.
But we're still supposed to eat meat because it's good for us.
I think this vegeterian/vegan stuff is just bullshit - buy ecological! as I said before..
Plug In Baby. Addict Age: 34 Gender: Female Posts: 11334
October 22nd, 2006 at 05:30am
Bloodstained Hurricane:
There's no good reason to be vegeterian/vegan accordning to me.
Buy ecological meat instead if you don't want to be "harming" any animals.
As "keyboard not found" said; we're designed to eat meat.
But now it has come many other sorts of foods so we have much more to choose from.
We're not depending on meat anylonger, as people did hundreds of years ago.
But we're still supposed to eat meat because it's good for us.
I think this vegeterian/vegan stuff is just bullshit - buy ecological! as I said before..
It comes down to personal choice, so don't go calling it bullshit.
Many vegetarians don't want to eat something that gave up their life for us. Its not just harming animals, its the fact that they don't want to eat something that once had a life, a family(pack, whatever), walked around.
Some vegetarians, like my mum, just can't eat meat, because they don't like it. She's not like, protesting for animal rights, or against animal cruelty. She doesn't like it, not at all, but she's not actively involved in protesting. Maybe its a mind thing? She can't stand eating something that was once alive? That once had a brain?
I'm a vegetarian for a couple of reasons, one; even when I was a kid, I hated eating meat. I just didn't like it. Sometimes I couldn't even force myself to swallow it. It was nothing to do with the taste, I don't think. It was just something I couldn't eat. I think that's the same thing with my mum. And two; I honestly don't like eating something that was alive. I don't want to eat something that gave its life for me. Why should something give their life for me to eat them? What makes me better than them?
So there, I gave you some good reasons.
-you just don't like meat
-for some reason, you can't force yourself to eat meat
-you don't like the thought of eating something that once had a brain, and was alive
-you don't like the idea of something sacraficing its life for you to eat it
I respect all choices, I don't call them bullshit.
It comes down to personal choice. I don't like meat. I've never liked meat. So why should I buy this 'ecological meat'? Just because you said that its bullshit? I think that's bullshit.
I'm also aware that there are probably lots of spelling mistakes in this. I'm too lazy to go through and correct them.
There's no good reason to be vegeterian/vegan accordning to me.
Buy ecological meat instead if you don't want to be "harming" any animals.
As "keyboard not found" said; we're designed to eat meat.
But now it has come many other sorts of foods so we have much more to choose from.
We're not depending on meat anylonger, as people did hundreds of years ago.
But we're still supposed to eat meat because it's good for us.
I think this vegeterian/vegan stuff is just bullshit - buy ecological! as I said before..
So there, I gave you some good reasons.
-you just don't like meat
-for some reason, you can't force yourself to eat meat
-you don't like the thought of eating something that once had a brain, and was alive
-you don't like the idea of something sacraficing its life for you to eat it
I understand what you meen, I don't eat horse because I have such a strong bond to those animals, they have done so much for us humans that they deserve a more worthy death. Cows and pigs are breed to die basicly.
Some people don't like to eat meat just like someone else don't eat pancakes or whatever.
But this thing with that you don't want to eat something that was alive, I don't understand that really 'cause everything that we eat has been alive.
To me it's the same thing as saying that you don't want to get, for instance a liver transplant from a dead person just 'cause that person had a soul.
And what if that person died in pain - would it be even more wrong then?
Most animals that are breed for slaughter are having a good life and they die a "worthy" death, meaning they're not feeling any pain.
That's why I feel it's perfectly OK too eat meat, but if they were to be cut piece by piece alive I surely would'nt be eating meat.
Are you actually saying there's no difference between eating a plant and an animal? Yes both of them are technically alive but an animal can think, feel pain, be caring and affectionate. I live on a farm where my dad breeds cows that go to the slauter house, and every spring when I see the new born calfs I feel sick to the stomach to know in a couple of years that calf is going to be someones dinner.
And some people don't believe in getting transplants or even blood tranfusions, but that's a religious decision in a lot of cases, like Jehovah's witnesses; it's against their religion to take blood.
And as I've said before there millions of animals in the world, and new ones are being discovered everyday yet out of all of these only really cows, pigs, chickens, lambs and certain types of fish are eaten. So do not be so ignorant as to think that all animals are merely here for our own sake.
I understand what you meen mean, I don't eat horse because I have such a strong bond to those animals, they have done so much for us humans that they deserve a more worthy death. Cows and pigs are breed to die basicly.
Some people don't like to eat meat just like someone else don't eat pancakes or whatever.
But this thing with that you don't want to eat something that was alive, I don't understand that really 'cause everything that we eat has been alive.
To me it's the same thing as saying that you don't want to get, for instance a liver transplant from a dead person just 'cause that person had a soul.
And what if that person died in pain - would it be even more wrong then?
Most animals that are breed for slaughter are having a good life and they die a "worthy" death, meaning they're not feeling any pain.
That's why I feel it's perfectly OK too eat meat, but if they were to be cut piece by piece alive I surely would'nt be eating meat.
Animals are made to be eaten.
Alright, well to start off, do you not find it cruel that those animals are bred to die? Their only purpose in life is to become greasy hamburgers that are going to end up giving people heart attacks? The conditions in which animals live is sickening at places like that. Calling it 'living' is stretching it alot.
Before you go making completely extremeist statements, I think it would be best to do your research.Plants are photoautotrophic.Animals are heterotrophic. This requires animals to be much more highly developed such as having organ systems, unlike plants. Nervous and sensory systems are also developed in animals, which is what allows them to feel pain, unlike plants which have no capability of feeling anything. Plants, regardless of the plant in question all have a similar cell structure as well containing: Cell wall, plastids, and central vacuole, ect. ANimal cell's are much more complex which is why they are more highly developed. This gives animals the traits of being able to function and think, also unlike plants. Plants lack the capability to do anything and are not on the same level as animals in any way. You may thin that "vegeterian/vegan stuff is just bullshit" but I find killing living, thinking things to be murder, regardless of if it was done in a humane way or not.
Ok, its very narrow minded to assume thats why people would not want an organ transplant. With all the different cultures and religions in the world there is so many explanations for that, and I don't see the relation anyways. When someones organs are dontated they had to consent to it and agree. You tell me where animals signed papers saying it was ok for them to be slaughtered and eaten.
Have you seen the living conditions of some of the animals you end up eating? Obviously not. And you must have a sickly low standard of living if you think they live a good life. And you think that murdering them is a 'worthy' death?
Im not going to be arrogant and assume all the animals in the world are here to serve us, I believe they should be able to have a life, so no, animals are not here to be eaten.
Matt Smith Admin Age: 33 Gender: Female Posts: 31134
October 22nd, 2006 at 01:15pm
Bloodstained Hurricane:
There's no good reason to be vegeterian/vegan accordning to me.
Dude, have you no idea of any basic principle of environmental biology?
I don't believe this point has been raised yet. So I shall just raise it right now.
I'm gonna teach you a lesson about the food chain.
An example food chain is made up of producers (vegetables), primary consumers (pigs) and secondary consumers (humans). The vegetables at the bottom of the food chain contain a lot of biomass. As each stage of the food chain progresses, more biomass is lost until when it reaches human their supply of biomass (living material) is significantly reduced. The more steps in the food chain, the worse it is for us.
The sensible thing to do, the best thing to do, is cut straight to the bottom of the food chain and eat producers (plants). And that, my dear, is the very best reason you will ever have for being a herbivore. So don't come at me with the "there is no good reason". Bullshit.
There's no good reason to be vegeterian/vegan accordning to me.
Buy ecological meat instead if you don't want to be "harming" any animals.
As "keyboard not found" said; we're designed to eat meat.
But now it has come many other sorts of foods so we have much more to choose from.
We're not depending on meat anylonger, as people did hundreds of years ago.
But we're still supposed to eat meat because it's good for us.
I think this vegeterian/vegan stuff is just bullshit - buy ecological! as I said before..
I've been a vegetarian for five months now.
I've done it for two reasons:
1. I've never liked meat all that much.
2. Ecological reasons.
I'll tell you what: I feel a lot better and lot healthier since I've cut off all the meats. I'm making my own food, as I haven't got any support from my family, and I make sure that I get protains in my food, and protains my friend, is the thing our organism gets from meet. But you can also get protains from grains.
I get my proteins mostly from grains, milk and cheese, since I'm a vegetarian, not a vegan, which means I eat products derivated from animals, but not from dead animals.
So do we really *need* meat in our diet? Not really. Besides, your body takes longer to digest a piece of meat.
As I've said, I feel healthier now than before and my eating is quite normal now and I'm neitehr way too fat or way too skinny. I'm just healthy.
As for ecological reasons: http://www.myfootprint.org/
That's the only site I can remember right now, I knwo a few others and shall post them if I remember their addy.
What you eat does have an eviromental impact.
If you don't want to a vegan/vegetarian, alright then, but you have no right to say that veggies are stupid or have no real reason to be veggies if you don't even know the most basic facts.
Just as no-one here is telling you you should become a vegetarianyuo shouldn't tell vegetarians that what we're doing is bullshit.
I understand what you meen mean, I don't eat horse because I have such a strong bond to those animals, they have done so much for us humans that they deserve a more worthy death. Cows and pigs are breed to die basicly.
Some people don't like to eat meat just like someone else don't eat pancakes or whatever.
But this thing with that you don't want to eat something that was alive, I don't understand that really 'cause everything that we eat has been alive.
To me it's the same thing as saying that you don't want to get, for instance a liver transplant from a dead person just 'cause that person had a soul.
And what if that person died in pain - would it be even more wrong then?
Most animals that are breed for slaughter are having a good life and they die a "worthy" death, meaning they're not feeling any pain.
That's why I feel it's perfectly OK too eat meat, but if they were to be cut piece by piece alive I surely would'nt be eating meat.
Animals are made to be eaten.
Alright, well to start off, do you not find it cruel that those animals are bred to die? Their only purpose in life is to become greasy hamburgers that are going to end up giving people heart attacks? The conditions in which animals live is sickening at places like that. Calling it 'living' is stretching it alot.
Have you seen the living conditions of some of the animals you end up eating? Obviously not. And you must have a sickly low standard of living if you think they live a good life. And you think that murdering them is a 'worthy' death?
No, really I don't as long as it's ecological farming(I've been to serveral of ecological farms and they do take very good care of their animals).
In the summers they are at big(read:BIG) fields and in the winter they're not even tied up, they're in a big barn and they can eat whenever they want and they can get milked whenever they want.
So I don't feel that I'm calling it living is stretching it alot.
Yes ofcourse I know how some "farms" treat their animals, it's not humane at all, it's just cruel.
That's why I buy certain meat which are from ecological farms.
