Veganism/vegetarianism

Can You Say OBSESSED:

I don't defend anybody for eating meat.

I said that I have friends who eat meat.
If somebody calls them a slut, I will defend them. However, I have told them straight up I consider them to pay for murder.

If somebody called Boobmeister an uneducated uncaring bitch, I would defend her because I have not seen that side of her.
That doesn't mean I would defend her if somebody said "by eating meat she pays for murder," because I agree with that.

tbh you called all of us here uncaring sick meat eaters but ok.

It isn't "diseased" - eating meat doesn't mean you have some kind of illness

Can You Say OBSESSED:

No.
I said having a carcas in your mouth making someone happy is sick and diseased.

There's a difference between having a sick and diseased trait and BEING sick and diseased.

If somebody is made happy by having the skin of an animal in their mouth, a carcas in their throats, and/or the intestine(s) of an animal in their stomach, that is disgustingly sick and diseased.

IN YOUR OPINION HEHEHEHE.

Can You Say OBSESSED:

TOFU TIGER:

It isn't "diseased" - eating meat doesn't mean you have some kind of illness

Being made happy by having skin and a carcas in your mouth, in your throat, and in your stomach is disgusting, sick, and diseased.

Being 'diseased' means having a disease though eating meat isn't a clinical ailment.

FOR THE RECORD
dis·ease /dɪˈziz/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[di-zeez] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation noun, verb, -eased, -eas·ing.
–noun 1. a disordered or incorrectly functioning organ, part, structure, or system of the body resulting from the effect of genetic or developmental errors, infection, poisons, nutritional deficiency or imbalance, toxicity, or unfavorable environmental factors; illness; sickness; ailment.
2. any abnormal condition in a plant that interferes with its vital physiological processes, caused by pathogenic microorganisms, parasites, unfavorable environmental, genetic, or nutritional factors, etc.
3. any harmful, depraved, or morbid condition, as of the mind or society: His fascination with executions is a disease.
4. decomposition of a material under special circumstances: tin disease.
–verb (used with object) 5. to affect with disease; make ill

So, knowing that diseased can be a morbid condition describing the mind or society, the way she is using diseased is correct. it would be nice if we could quit discussing word usage and stay on topic.

That word useage was confusing me, that was all. I can see how the idea of a dead animal in the mouth is disgusting, but I've never heard diseased used in that sense. that's all.

Can You Say OBSESSED:

No.
I said having a carcas in your mouth making someone happy is sick and diseased.

There's a difference between having a sick and diseased trait and BEING sick and diseased.

If somebody is made happy by having the skin of an animal in their mouth, a carcas in their throats, and/or the intestine(s) of an animal in their stomach, that is disgustingly sick and diseased.

Not rly. You cant do something that is sick and diseased and not be sick and diseased.

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TOFU TIGER:

That word useage was confusing me, that was all. I can see how the idea of a dead animal in the mouth is disgusting, but I've never heard diseased used in that sense. that's all.

Well, personally I don't think it's diseased, its just common behavior, but I guess she does.


I don't think the act of eating meat is cruel, just what we do before we eat it. The conditions some animals are kept in prior to slaughter is what is inhumane. eating meat is natural. Look at bears, lions tofu tigers, whatever, they eat meat. Heterotrophs need energy from other sources to survive, because they can't function using only solar energy like plants. Therefore, you cannot say eating meat is unatural, or "diseased", when natural biochemical processes are designed to digest and consume meat. What could be considered morbid and disgusting is the way in which we do so, in my opinion.

Kurtni:

What could be considered morbid and disgusting is the way in which we do so, in my opinion.

That's my opinion too, but I don't wanna quit eating meat.

Ditto at Kurtni.

Can You Say OBSESSED:

We have tofu, tempah, soy, lentils, etc..., and do not need meat in order to survive.

Not everyone likes to eat those things. A lot of people actually prefer the taste of meat. You have to understand that.

Alright, basically, I like meat. I do not particularly view animals as the same as humans. Animals do not reason, write, speak, or any other such things. I refuse to be guilted out of eating them. Meat is necessary for survival. It contains necessary proteins, and vitamins and I don't think my health should be placed below the life of a lesser creature.

Yes, lesser creature. On the food chain, animals come beneath us.

And while you're at it, why don't you tell all of the animals to stop eating each other? If they're as intelligent as you say, then they should be able to understand the concept of vegetarianism.

She'll telll you she's already addressed the issue of wild animals and that you should go read through the thread and find out what she said.

Honestly, OBSESSED, even if we don't have the right to kill for personal comfort, that doesn't give you the right to come on here and tell people that what they're doing and thinking is wrong. Maybe as evolution goes on, humans will all become vegeatrians. For now, leaving my chicken-loving friends alone sounds like a good idea.

Can You Say OBSESSED:

Human beings are not here to determine what creatures are allowed to be comfortable, which are allowed to live, which are allowed to be killed.

They're also not here to determine what we eat is absolutely wrong and disgusting and that meat eaters should pay for murder. Not all non-vegetarians "murder", they eat what's supposedly "murdered". There is a difference.

Billie's Willie:

Not all non-vegetarians "murder", they eat what's supposedly "murdered". There is a difference.

They pay for it, you know? So it's very similar, because the bigger the demand for meat, the more animals will be killed all over the world.

But yes, she is taking this discussion way too far.

Can You Say OBSESSED:

What I find sick and diseased is the "meat makes me happy," because meat is simply a dead body and skin.

You don't think killing an animal for our supper is cruel?
The way I see it, the conditions the animals are kept in is inhumane and evil. Killing an animal for convienience (when it's not necessary, Paul McCartney has been a vegetarian since the '60s, and he obviously is alive and has lived a long time without meat, there are many examples of people who lived long, healthy lives and continue to do so today) is cruel.

We are not lions, tigers, wolves, bears, etc...,
We have tofu, tempah, soy, lentils, etc..., and do not need meat in order to survive. There is simply no need for the average person (not living in poverty, not living in third world countries...) to kill something in order to eat.

tbh I never saw a tofu in my life. idk, I think there is like only a few stores in Zagreb that actually store such food. So its not available for everyone.

Ol' Blue Eyes.:

Alright, basically, I like meat. I do not particularly view animals as the same as humans. Animals do not reason, write, speak, or any other such things. I refuse to be guilted out of eating them. Meat is necessary for survival. It contains necessary proteins, and vitamins and I don't think my health should be placed below the life of a lesser creature.

Yes, lesser creature. On the food chain, animals come beneath us.

And while you're at it, why don't you tell all of the animals to stop eating each other? If they're as intelligent as you say, then they should be able to understand the concept of vegetarianism.

tbh I agree. Not that all animals should die or something and not that they are less important, but we are on top of the food chain and therefor its completely natural for us to eat meat. Its not sick of diseased. By the rules of nature it isn't, its just by your opinion. They way of getting meat is sick tbh, just like Courtney said, animals kept for food reasons aren't held in healthy environments and are treated badly. But you should go and fight against such companies and people who do that, not us meat eaters.

lyrical_mess:

She'll telll you she's already addressed the issue of wild animals and that you should go read through the thread and find out what she said.

Honestly, OBSESSED, even if we don't have the right to kill for personal comfort, that doesn't give you the right to come on here and tell people that what they're doing and thinking is wrong. Maybe as evolution goes on, humans will all become vegeatrians. For now, leaving my chicken-loving friends alone sounds like a good idea.

Perhaps, but all I know is that meat is my major protein source, and I'm very reluctant to give it up in exchange for tofu.

Can You Say OBSESSED:

What I find sick and diseased is the "meat makes me happy," because meat is simply a dead body and skin.

You don't think killing an animal for our supper is cruel?
The way I see it, the conditions the animals are kept in is inhumane and evil. Killing an animal for convienience (when it's not necessary, Paul McCartney has been a vegetarian since the '60s, and he obviously is alive and has lived a long time without meat, there are many examples of people who lived long, healthy lives and continue to do so today) is cruel.

We are not lions, tigers, wolves, bears, etc...,
We have tofu, tempah, soy, lentils, etc..., and do not need meat in order to survive. There is simply no need for the average person (not living in poverty, not living in third world countries...) to kill something in order to eat.

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See, you’re too idealistic. Paul McCartney is a wealthy rock star. Starving children in Africa don’t have the luxury of getting to pick and choose what they eat. If they didn’t eat meat, they would die and starve. Now, if you’re ok with that, then you’re the one who is sick and diseased. You said this doesn’t apply to third world countries, so it’s pretty silly to use a loaded example like Paul McCartney. And I hate to break it to you, but meat is one of the cheapest foods available. Even in countries like America, that is all some people have available to eat. They may not be poverty stricken, but eating meat works for them financially, you have to have compassion and at least try to understand their situation.

[quote=�Can You Say OBSESSED�] You don't think killing an animal for our supper is cruel? [/quote]
If an animal is beaten to death with a bat prior to being eaten, yeah that’s cruel. If it was kicked or harmed violently, that’s cruel. Personally, I also find domesticating animals to be cruel, which is why I’m against eating factory produced meat. But the act of killing an animal for food isn’t cruel, all of the factors before hand are what determine if its cruel or not.

Can You Say OBSESSED:

Animals and humans are not the same.
I never claimed such a thing.
That does not mean we have the right to murder innocent animals just because we like how their skin tastes.

Skin? I thought this was about meat...


How do you know animals don't reason?
Because, scientists have studied the electrical impulses in animals brains, which allows us to understand how they think, and if they have the ability to reason. The majority of animals can’t, they rely solely on instinct. However, some can, which is why you can’t use the term “animals� so generally.

If meat is necessary for survival, how am I alive?
Because it isn’t needed for everyone.
PROTEIN is necessary for survival, not murder.
Murder is the wrongful killing of a living being; killing an animal for nutrition isn’t wrong. How we do it, however, is.

"It contains necessary proteins, and vitamins and I don't think my health should be placed below the life of a lesser creature.

Yes, lesser creature. On the food chain, animals come beneath us. "
On a food chain human beings created. In nature, you would simply stand zero chance of survival against TRUE carnivores.
Technically, the food chain is just that, a chain. No one is on top and no one is below in a totally natural setting.

It is not the only thing that contains necessary proteins and vitamins.
That’s very true.



I should just go back and quote each and every time I already addressed this. Maybe if it were in big, bold writing, people would stop asking me to repeat myself.
No one is asking you to repeat yourself, but to be very honest a lot of the things you’ve said in here haven’t made sense to me, and weren’t very clear. You have compared people to animals, then said that they aren’t the same? You flip flop your evidence to suit what you’re trying to say at the time, then try and make people look stupid when they’re confused.

Also, the intellegince of chickens and pigs as I was referring to has nothing to do with what you're talking about. They already are herbavores.
*herbivores

I have also already addressed the issue of people living in poverty who do not have access to other sources of protein.

Please stop making me repeat myself.
Yeah, and your way of addressing this was using a rich celebrities lifestyle and comparing it to everyong. I would actually love for you to quit repeating the same thing over and over, we all would, because what you're saying doesn't make sense,

I am not the one who needs to have compassion here, you're the one saying murdering an innocent animal for your personal comfort is not cruel, and yet feeding and grooming a domestic dog is.
First off, I don't eat meat, so it isn't for my personal comfort. it isn't for anyones comfort, it's for peoples survival. Animal domestication is another issue entirely, but I won't get into that here.

Killing an animal for something unnecessary is cruel.
Are you living in poverty?
If you are, I'd recommend getting off your computer and selling it.
Ummm....I never said anything about my personal condition. I would appreciate it if you wouldn't either Don't even try to put words in my mouth.

There is no need for someone to eat meat unless (this is at least the third time I have said this) they are dying.
I know homeless people who won't eat meat, because there is no reason to be so pompus and self-centered as to believe human beings are the only creatures who deserve life.
No one said humans were the only creatures who deserved to be alive...?

How is it silly to say people who can't afford tofu don't apply but use Paul McCartney as an example of a living human?
When someone tells me that meat is necessary to survive, I have to laugh. It is obvious that is a complete lie and a pathetic excuse. Seeings as many people (including Paul McCartney, as I was mentioning in a post you seemed to have only skimmed through) have been vegetarians for years (also, Paul McCartney has been quoted as saying he's been a vegetarian long before The Beatles, when he was a poor child in England) and are still alive and healthy. It is hilarious that people are actually ignorant enough to believe that it is necessary to end the life of an innocent animal in order for us to survive.
No, whats ignorant is that you won't take the time to understand other peoples lifestyles... or even read what people in this thread are saying. No one said "everyone must eat meat!!!!!" What I said was you can't compare Paul McCartney to every human being in the world.

Not to mention, how is murder ever not cruel?
Murder, the wrongful killing of a living being, is always cruel, who said it wasn't?
If somebody came up to you and shot you in the face, would that be cruel? What if you weren't beaten beforehand and the person who killed you ate you?
If it's not cruel to do that to a cow, it's not cruel to do it to a human.
Before you said humans and animals weren't the same... here you are, yet again, comparing a human to a cow. Way to have double standards