Matt Smith Admin Age: 33 Gender: Female Posts: 31134
December 28th, 2006 at 06:40am
Tré is GSB bitch!:
except you can prove he didn't exist because no one proved he existed in the first place.
Evoloution can happen by itself, it's like saying, "An animal can't die unless you kill it." which isn't true.
Stop using science in your arugument when you have no idea what you're talking about.
Nobody can prove whether God exists or does not exist: now face it, and research evolution while you're at it.
lyrical_mess Falling In Love With The Board Age: 33 Gender: Female Posts: 5278
December 28th, 2006 at 09:42am
Tré is GSB bitch!:
except you can prove he didn't exist because no one proved he existed in the first place.
Evoloution can happen by itself, it's like saying, "An animal can't die unless you kill it." which isn't true.
And i know you said [sarcasticly] 'How did evoloution happen? magic?' That also goes for god, i mean, where the hell did he come from? was he created by magic?
I'll tell you where he came from. From humans. We created God and he created us. There is God in every one of us and He is everywhere. this is the teaching of Dvaita, one of the many religions that Hinduism is comprised of. And it's true. We created God. And if mankind is able to create something, even if its just a belief, I see no reason for us to destroy it. We've already destroyed too much of our own creations and each other.
except you can prove he didn't exist because no one proved he existed in the first place.
Evoloution can happen by itself, it's like saying, "An animal can't die unless you kill it." which isn't true.
Stop using science in your arugument when you have no idea what you're talking about.
Nobody can prove whether God exists or does not exist: now face it, and research evolution while you're at it.
i'm not using science. i'm using common sense. and chill out it's nothing to fight over.
Matt Smith Admin Age: 33 Gender: Female Posts: 31134
December 28th, 2006 at 12:27pm
Tré is GSB bitch!:
Bloodraine:
Tré is GSB bitch!:
except you can prove he didn't exist because no one proved he existed in the first place.
Evoloution can happen by itself, it's like saying, "An animal can't die unless you kill it." which isn't true.
Stop using science in your arugument when you have no idea what you're talking about.
Nobody can prove whether God exists or does not exist: now face it, and research evolution while you're at it.
i'm not using science. i'm using common sense. and chill out it's nothing to fight over.
It is impossible to use common sense and religion in the same sentence.
except you can prove he didn't exist because no one proved he existed in the first place.
Evoloution can happen by itself, it's like saying, "An animal can't die unless you kill it." which isn't true.
Stop using science in your arugument when you have no idea what you're talking about.
Nobody can prove whether God exists or does not exist: now face it, and research evolution while you're at it.
i'm not using science. i'm using common sense. and chill out it's nothing to fight over.
It is impossible to use common sense and religion in the same sentence.
Heh, good point Meg.
But I was under the (apparently mistaken) impression that evolution was the theory incorporating survival of the fittest into more scientific terms: the ones more adapted to their environment will survive. Why does anything need to give it a kick-start?
Matt Smith Admin Age: 33 Gender: Female Posts: 31134
December 28th, 2006 at 02:22pm
dirtyhippie:
Bloodraine:
Tré is GSB bitch!:
Bloodraine:
Tré is GSB bitch!:
except you can prove he didn't exist because no one proved he existed in the first place.
Evoloution can happen by itself, it's like saying, "An animal can't die unless you kill it." which isn't true.
Stop using science in your arugument when you have no idea what you're talking about.
Nobody can prove whether God exists or does not exist: now face it, and research evolution while you're at it.
i'm not using science. i'm using common sense. and chill out it's nothing to fight over.
It is impossible to use common sense and religion in the same sentence.
Heh, good point Meg.
But I was under the (apparently mistaken) impression that evolution was the theory incorporating survival of the fittest into more scientific terms: the ones more adapted to their environment will survive. Why does anything need to give it a kick-start?
Well, how did organisms even come into being in the first place?
No living matter= no evolution.
And I do believe it has been discovered that the earth was once uninhabited by any lifeform (when it was too hot to live on, in short) so what kick-started the first lifeforms into existance?
lyrical_mess Falling In Love With The Board Age: 33 Gender: Female Posts: 5278
December 28th, 2006 at 02:24pm
Primordial soup. But what triggered the primordial soup to...soupify?
Plug In Baby. Addict Age: 34 Gender: Female Posts: 11334
December 28th, 2006 at 05:06pm
..what does evolution have to do with god?
But someone didn't "invent" god, as such. He evolved, over millions of years.
Like, in the age of the cavemen, they would have believed in something. It wouldn't have been god, but they would have had to believe in something to explain how they were there, and how everything else was there. This is where the idea of a god comes in. It wouldn't be the god that we know today.
They would have believed in the earth, which then transformed into a person. Lets say, mother earth. Over millions of years (and the transformation is even taking place today), it changed into the God we know now.
Like, the Aboriginies who were the original inhabitants of Australia, they believe in the earth, and in the rainbow serpent.
But someone didn't "invent" god, as such. He evolved, over millions of years.
Like, in the age of the cavemen, they would have believed in something. It wouldn't have been god, but they would have had to believe in something to explain how they were there, and how everything else was there. This is where the idea of a god comes in. It wouldn't be the god that we know today.
They would have believed in the earth, which then transformed into a person. Lets say, mother earth. Over millions of years (and the transformation is even taking place today), it changed into the God we know now.
Like, the Aboriginies who were the original inhabitants of Australia, they believe in the earth, and in the rainbow serpent.
The fact that he adapts and changes to meet societies needs at whatever time period just proves how manufactured he is.
except you can prove he didn't exist because no one proved he existed in the first place.
Evoloution can happen by itself, it's like saying, "An animal can't die unless you kill it." which isn't true.
Stop using science in your arugument when you have no idea what you're talking about.
Nobody can prove whether God exists or does not exist: now face it, and research evolution while you're at it.
i'm not using science. i'm using common sense. and chill out it's nothing to fight over.
It is impossible to use common sense and religion in the same sentence.
well... howcome i just did
... but, do you even believe in god?
Anji Basket Case Age: 35 Gender: Female Posts: 15914
December 29th, 2006 at 12:09pm
Bloodraine:
Anji:
Actually magic has a big part in religion. See, before religion was 'invented', if you're not the believing type, magic was used to explain the events of the world. Of course, from this erupted chaos in theories and ideas so along came religion and a belief in high God/gods. Then, recently science has been used to explain the unknown. Who knows what we'll use next?
I don't think religion has been invented, I think it exists within ourselves. I believe it is part of our nature, in a small amount.
People have worshipped the Sun, the Moon, God... All manner of different idols. People always need something to believe in. Even science is a religion of sorts. Science can only explain a small amount of the great mystery that is faith.
I think its part of humanity to believe in something that can't be explained. Whatever that something is, depends entirely on the person.
See, that's why 'invented' is in 'quotes' *Air quotes.*
It was a desire in us to find and explaination instead of magic for the happenings of the Earth, because the explaination of magic for everything was much to chaotic and accounts or this 'magic' like the 'Sun moving across the Earth's sky' started to differ and vary.
And about science being a faith, so is magic. And what will people put their faith in next, then?
Anji Basket Case Age: 35 Gender: Female Posts: 15914
December 29th, 2006 at 12:42pm
Tré is GSB bitch!:
except you can prove he didn't exist because no one proved he existed in the first place.
Evoloution can happen by itself, it's like saying, "An animal can't die unless you kill it." which isn't true.
Since you seem to have never read Origin of the Species or even studied evolution, and I doubt you know about Gregor Mendel, you may find the next bit of text quite educating:
Evolution happens through a little accidental mutation in the genes of an animal. If this new deformation or alteration of the animal or plant happens to improve the survival of the living thing, if it's lucky, it will thrive and create loads of baby animals or plants some of which will inherit the mutation and create a gene pool. Eventually, this new breed will compete with the old one and the deveation will help its survival chances and then over take the former species, thus becoming the new and improved whatever. Evolution is a process of constant mutation and adaption, over coming the previous version of species.
The reason we have four limbs, fairer hair, even something as specific as green eyes, it all due to genetic mutation. Here's something, the reason we all have a sense of wonder and reason is of course because of our larger brain compared to other primative apes, for example. We have become immensley intellegent and outwitted evolution itself by securing ourselves. We have made great expanses of roads and cities, we've built houses, walls, we have computers. All of us do. This is all thanks to our larger brain. And the reason our brain has had the ability to grow so large, is due to a mutation, of course.
I believe our closest relatives in the animal kingdom is the bonobo, so imagine us as something like that, millions of millions of year ago. One little bonobo like ape is just being born. Meet your great-great-one million times-great-grandfather. He has a little alteration in his genes, and his jaw is weaker than the other apes. He cannot eat the tough vegetation which grows in the rainforest, but his brain is larger than the rest of the animals, since the jaw isn't sqeezing the brain or restricting its growth. This ape then goes fuckie fuckie and makes a tone of babies, and half of them have the 'weaker jaw syndrome'.
This however is the end of the mutation and the beginning of the adaption stage, since they have inherited the different jaw. Their brains, slightly bigger as well. So on so forth till now. That is just some of the evolution of our brain.
Now, does all this 'happen by itself'? No.
Does God play a part in this? Who knows, but you are not one to either prove or disprove his existance to the rest of us.
Everything. Evolution is one of the big areas where science and religion (i.e. creationists) clash. Evolution is a theory that calls into question a key part of the Bible, named Genesis. "In the beginning, God created the Heaven and Earth." To be fair, it sounds cooler than "In the beginning, there was some stuff that turned into better stuff over time."
Actually magic has a big part in religion. See, before religion was 'invented', if you're not the believing type, magic was used to explain the events of the world. Of course, from this erupted chaos in theories and ideas so along came religion and a belief in high God/gods. Then, recently science has been used to explain the unknown. Who knows what we'll use next?
I don't think religion has been invented, I think it exists within ourselves. I believe it is part of our nature, in a small amount.
People have worshipped the Sun, the Moon, God... All manner of different idols. People always need something to believe in. Even science is a religion of sorts. Science can only explain a small amount of the great mystery that is faith.
I think its part of humanity to believe in something that can't be explained. Whatever that something is, depends entirely on the person.
See, that's why 'invented' is in 'quotes' *Air quotes.*
It was a desire in us to find and explaination instead of magic for the happenings of the Earth, because the explaination of magic for everything was much to chaotic and accounts or this 'magic' like the 'Sun moving across the Earth's sky' started to differ and vary.
And about science being a faith, so is magic. And what will people put their faith in next, then?
well tornado's (sp?) happen by themselves, and even though global warming has happened mainly because of us, it probably will happen someday anyway. And the ice-age happened by itself, so why can't evoloution?
god and evoloution are the complete opposit... God seems more of a fantasy and evoloution seems more real... Personally i don't think there is/are a god(s) because evoloution is still happening., its happening all the time.
Matt Smith Admin Age: 33 Gender: Female Posts: 31134
I don't believe in God or any 'supreme being' but then again I kinda believe there are spirits and things like that. I mean, the whole Adam and Eve thing just doesn't work because scientists have pretty much proved how humans and other animals evolved. I think the Bible was written to help control people, which is not a bad thing. I believe in evolution and the big bang. If someone can truly convince me that God is really real, I will believe it. As for the whole spirit and ghost thing, I really don't know. There are some things things that humans can't explain.
Anji Basket Case Age: 35 Gender: Female Posts: 15914
January 3rd, 2007 at 05:32am
Tré is GSB bitch!:
well tornado's (sp?) happen by themselves, and even though global warming has happened mainly because of us, it probably will happen someday anyway. And the ice-age happened by itself, so why can't evoloution?
god and evoloution are the complete opposit... God seems more of a fantasy and evoloution seems more real... Personally i don't think there is/are a god(s) because evoloution is still happening., its happening all the time.
You're an idiot. I'm sorry, but you are. Tornadoes do not happen by themselves. They happen when a cold front meets a hot front and the hot front is forced up, pushing the cold front down causing an increase in atmospheric pressure which causes a swirl of hot and cold air. This air rotates very fast, it's called a funnel cloud. As the clouds rotate faster and faster, the inside of the cloud experiences a rapid pressure drop and the funnel cloud the appears to move down to the earth and touch the ground. That is a tornado.
I barely know why I'm bothering to tell you. You probably won't get it. The last Ice Age didn't happen by itself either. Nor does evolution. Did you not read what I wrote specifically for you. You know what. I'll make a thread about evolution for you since you really don't get it.
Anyway, by saying they happen without anything to cause it, you're supporting the idea of God using science, which is good for somebody with the intellegence of a small pea. You're incorporating the idea of Newton's laws and thermodynamics to prove that God must exist if the temperature, pressure, air volume, energy, dynamics, heat, etc. is not present. Of course since you're argument is for the opposite, I assume you're doing this unintentionally.
lyrical_mess Falling In Love With The Board Age: 33 Gender: Female Posts: 5278
January 3rd, 2007 at 05:41am
Anji:
Tré is GSB bitch!:
well tornado's (sp?) happen by themselves, and even though global warming has happened mainly because of us, it probably will happen someday anyway. And the ice-age happened by itself, so why can't evoloution?
god and evoloution are the complete opposit... God seems more of a fantasy and evoloution seems more real... Personally i don't think there is/are a god(s) because evoloution is still happening., its happening all the time.
You're an idiot. I'm sorry, but you are. Tornadoes do not happen by themselves. They happen when a clod front meets a hot front and the hot front is forced up, pushing the cold front down causing an increase in atmospheric pressure which is cause in a swirl of hot and cold air. This air rotates very fast, it's called a funnel cloud. As the clouds rotate faster and faster, the inside of the cloud experiences a rapid pressure drop and the funnel cloud the appears to move down to the earth and touch the ground. That is a tornado.
I barely know why I'm bothering to tell you. You probably won't get it. The last Ice Age didn't happen by itself either. Nor does evolution. Did you not read what I wrote specifically for you. You know what. I'll make a thread about evolution for you since you really don't get it.
Anyway, by saying they happen without anything to cause it, you're supporting the idea of God using science, which is good for somebody with the intellegence of a small pea. You're incorporating the idea of Newton's laws and thermodynamics to prove that God must exist if the temperature, pressure, air volume, energy, dynamics, heat, etc. is not present. Of course since you're argument is for the opposite, I assume you're doing this unintentionally.
Yeah, I'ma have to agree with Anji because you're argument is a little...whoa. I don't get it, and this is coming from someone who argued with a position she agreed with for no apparent reason.
But what really bugs me is that a lot of people here are using The Bible's version of God. That's the guy that said the world was made in six days with a seventh day of rest. But y'know, I'm guessing there's a metaphor in there somewhere. But what about God according to the Torah or the Quran? or Hindu scriptures?
Did He say that evolution was wrong? Doubt it. So all of you that argue against God saying that the world could not have been possibly created in six days, find some new sources as to what God did.
Anji Basket Case Age: 35 Gender: Female Posts: 15914
January 3rd, 2007 at 06:03am
lyrical_gaah52:
Yeah, I'ma have to agree with Anji because you're argument is a little...whoa. I don't get it, and this is coming from someone who argued with a position she agreed with for no apparent reason.
But what really bugs me is that a lot of people here are using The Bible's version of God. That's the guy that said the world was made in six days with a seventh day of rest. But y'know, I'm guessing there's a metaphor in there somewhere. But what about God according to the Torah or the Quran? or Hindu scriptures?
Did He say that evolution was wrong? Doubt it. So all of you that argue against God saying that the world could not have been possibly created in six days, find some new sources as to what God did.
Aha! One point to me!
People shouldn't be quoting the Bible. The Bible is a testiment of saints and followers and prophets. The Qu'ran is written by God himself, except the introduction, written by the prophet Muhammed to whom which the Qu'ran was sent to by God himself. There is an irriputable source. Or there should be one.
lyrical_mess Falling In Love With The Board Age: 33 Gender: Female Posts: 5278
January 3rd, 2007 at 06:05am
Mohammud was the last prophet right? First the Jewish man, then the other Jewish man (Jesus) and then Mohammud.
