Im completely against abortions but i think in some cases you know it has to be done.
If a teenage girl goes out has sex, ends up pregnant and doesn't want the baby having an abortion is the easy way out. It takes two people to make a baby and it isn't the baby's fault for not being wanted.
But if a girl gets raped and she knows that the baby will be hated for it you know i think that is a choice, because no one wants to grow up looking at their child having to explain who their father is.
BUT if its illegal women will get them from underground doctors who could kill the baby and them
You do know that babies die during abortion, correct? So no matter who does it, the baby is going to die. And if the mother is ignorant to get an abortion illegaly, she deserves whatever side effects she gets to be honest.
Mgasp!:
And anyway it's not our place to tell a women what she can and cant do to her body
Right, it isn't. It isn't our place to tell women they can, or can't have sex, that's their choice; but once they make that choice, they need to deal with the consequences of it. No matter how careful you are, no matter how many precautions you take, everytime you have sex you would become pregnant. WHen you have sex you accept that, there is no such thing as an unwanted, unexpected pregnancy, if you have sex you need to accept that fact that you may become pregnant. So the baby may not be wanted, but it wasn't unexpected. So she already made her choice to have sex, so if you support abortion you aren't prochoice, you just don't believe she should have to deal with her consequences.
So, now abortion some people say is one way of dealing with the consequences, it eliminates them. I find this to be wrong. That is a life you're talking about, someone elses. No human being on this planet has the right to end another persons life for their own benifit, which is exactly what they're doing. They don't want to deal with the kid so they kill it, how do you justify that? You can't. You can not make that ok. You can say it isn't viable as life yet, but I consider living cells to be alive, just because it doesn't look like a human yet doesn't mean it isnt human. I have some interesting pictures of what exactly fetuses look like actaully.... but I won't scare meg and steph with them again
That's my major arguement against adoption. Some kids wind up in foster homes that are terrible and abusive, or just live their entire lives in the system.
I'd rather abort a baby than give it a life of suffering.
There are millions of couples who want children more than anything in the entire world and they can't have them. Adoption is a great thing. people read these horror stories the media publishes and think it's this horrible thing, when really it gives children a second chance. Im not saying it always works out, but kids won't spend their entire lives in the system, because they won't be kids their entire life will they? Everyone deserves the right to life, and I don't think other people have the authority to take that away from someone.
Mycophobia Basket Case Age: 30 Gender: Female Posts: 15581
March 31st, 2007 at 07:43pm
Kurtni:
There are millions of couples who want children more than anything in the entire world and they can't have them. Adoption is a great thing. people read these horror stories the media publishes and think it's this horrible thing, when really it gives children a second chance. Im not saying it always works out, but kids won't spend their entire lives in the system, because they won't be kids their entire life will they? Everyone deserves the right to life, and I don't think other people have the authority to take that away from someone.
but many of those kids are never adopted beacuase they where exsposed to drugs in the fetus and people are scared that they will have health issues and therefore they are not adopted and have to live in foster homes until they are adults, then they cant get jobs and stuff when there older. many of them grow up to be very depressed and commet suicide.
givemyselfthecreeps! Falling In Love With The Board Age: 33 Gender: Female Posts: 8866
March 31st, 2007 at 11:41pm
Thunder 34:
but many of those kids are never adopted beacuase they where exsposed to drugs in the fetus and people are scared that they will have health issues and therefore they are not adopted and have to live in foster homes until they are adults, then they cant get jobs and stuff when there older. many of them grow up to be very depressed and commet suicide.
Yeah but i guess in a way they make that choice themselves not to live. Plus not all of them turn out that way. There is no foolproof way of telling which way a child will turn out.
Mycophobia Basket Case Age: 30 Gender: Female Posts: 15581
April 1st, 2007 at 10:43am
natz_au:
Thunder 34:
but many of those kids are never adopted beacuase they where exsposed to drugs in the fetus and people are scared that they will have health issues and therefore they are not adopted and have to live in foster homes until they are adults, then they cant get jobs and stuff when there older. many of them grow up to be very depressed and commet suicide.
Yeah but i guess in a way they make that choice themselves not to live. Plus not all of them turn out that way. There is no foolproof way of telling which way a child will turn out.
people dont make a choice if there depressed or not
Ol' Blue Eyes. King For A Couple Of Days Age: 36 Gender: Female Posts: 4816
April 1st, 2007 at 10:12pm
natz_au:
WeFoundTheDuck:
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I was trying to point out that most people kill bugs and flowers, but don't think we should have the right to kill a mass of nothingness [basically].
I agree with you, on the mass of nothingness. The fetus can't think or reason for itself. It's not aware of anything.
Yeah but it's not like it stays like that forever. Aren't they technically potential human beings? Surely that has some sort of say in the matter. Shouldn't they have a right to life?
But until they develop the skill to reason for themselves, they'd have to be in teh care of the mother, and if she doesn't want to provide said care, or go through the adoption process, she should have the right to abort the pregnancy.
givemyselfthecreeps! Falling In Love With The Board Age: 33 Gender: Female Posts: 8866
April 3rd, 2007 at 03:35am
Working on the same kind of logic then would u let someone else use ethunasia on a braindead relative?
Ol' Blue Eyes. King For A Couple Of Days Age: 36 Gender: Female Posts: 4816
April 3rd, 2007 at 04:41pm
natz_au:
Working on the same kind of logic then would u let someone else use ethunasia on a braindead relative?
I probably would, not to sound completely heartless or anything, but if they're braindead, and the doctor's say, "They're not coming back from this," I'd probably pull the plug. I don't see the sense in keeping their body going if they're going to spend the rest of their life in a hospital bed, dependant on a machine to keep their body going when their mind is already gone.
I would never get an abortion myself. I don't believe that humans have the right to choose to end a life which has, technically, already begun. It's started forming already, there is already substance to the life. From the point of fertilization onwards I'm just having a baby and there is nothing I can do about it, nor would I want to do about it.
My reasons are a bit maternal, a bit religous (I'm christian) and based on my morals.
However, although I would never get an abortion, I don't think it should be illegal as everyone should be able to act as they see fit (as far as abortion goes anyways), so I'm pro-choice.
givemyselfthecreeps! Falling In Love With The Board Age: 33 Gender: Female Posts: 8866
April 4th, 2007 at 02:21am
I guess my main worry is that if we give people the choice they will use it irresponsibly
Ol' Blue Eyes. King For A Couple Of Days Age: 36 Gender: Female Posts: 4816
April 5th, 2007 at 05:15pm
natz_au:
I guess my main worry is that if we give people the choice they will use it irresponsibly
Which is a valid concern, but I think since no one really wants to become pregnant and have to make that choice, legalizing abortion wouldn't be the worst thing.
And besides, it's better to have it legalized, since if it's not, people will just wind up having the procedure done illegally, which could have some serious consequences.
Lucifers Angel King For A Couple Of Days Age: - Gender: Female Posts: 4751
April 8th, 2007 at 12:02pm
natz_au:
Working on the same kind of logic then would u let someone else use ethunasia on a braindead relative?
Lucifers Angel King For A Couple Of Days Age: - Gender: Female Posts: 4751
April 8th, 2007 at 12:02pm
natz_au:
Working on the same kind of logic then would u let someone else use ethunasia on a braindead relative?
no i wouldnt!! to me you die when its your time to die, and not before,
Anji Basket Case Age: 35 Gender: Female Posts: 15914
April 8th, 2007 at 12:57pm
Lucifers Angel:
natz_au:
Working on the same kind of logic then would u let someone else use ethunasia on a braindead relative?
no i wouldnt!! to me you die when its your time to die, and not before,
What about life then? The debate about abortion is basically a debate about when life begins. You can't kill what's not living. So then what is life?
Anji Basket Case Age: 35 Gender: Female Posts: 15914
April 8th, 2007 at 12:58pm
WeFoundTheDuck:
natz_au:
I guess my main worry is that if we give people the choice they will use it irresponsibly
Which is a valid concern, but I think since no one really wants to become pregnant and have to make that choice, legalizing abortion wouldn't be the worst thing.
And besides, it's better to have it legalized, since if it's not, people will just wind up having the procedure done illegally, which could have some serious consequences.
It will be a serisou consequence to the people who decided to seriously do something in the first place.
Lucifers Angel King For A Couple Of Days Age: - Gender: Female Posts: 4751
April 8th, 2007 at 06:25pm
Anji:
Lucifers Angel:
natz_au:
Working on the same kind of logic then would u let someone else use ethunasia on a braindead relative?
no i wouldnt!! to me you die when its your time to die, and not before,
What about life then? The debate about abortion is basically a debate about when life begins. You can't kill what's not living. So then what is life?
i just said i wouldnt kill a braindead relitive! so to me life is the most precious gift you can give someone, if you dont want a baby use a condom, and i know people get raped and fall pregnant from the rape, then give the child up for adoption, why should a child pay for its dads mistakes
and to me, has soon has your pregnant that childs life has begun, woudl you kill a litter of kittens?
Working on the same kind of logic then would u let someone else use ethunasia on a braindead relative?
no i wouldnt!! to me you die when its your time to die, and not before,
What about life then? The debate about abortion is basically a debate about when life begins. You can't kill what's not living. So then what is life?
i just said i wouldnt kill a braindead relitive! so to me life is the most precious gift you can give someone, if you dont want a baby use a condom, and i know people get raped and fall pregnant from the rape, then give the child up for adoption, why should a child pay for its dads mistakes
and to me, has soon has your pregnant that childs life has begun, woudl you kill a litter of kittens?
Why should a girl have to be pregnant for 9 months as well as dealing with the trauma of being raped have to go through pregnancy and give her baby away to strangers? She may have to leave work or school, as well as the health risks that may arise. It's not fair to burden someone with something like that when they're most likely seriously fragile after suffering such a horrific event.
Lucifers Angel King For A Couple Of Days Age: - Gender: Female Posts: 4751
April 9th, 2007 at 11:04am
Flaming Phalanges!:
Lucifers Angel:
Anji:
Lucifers Angel:
natz_au:
Working on the same kind of logic then would u let someone else use ethunasia on a braindead relative?
no i wouldnt!! to me you die when its your time to die, and not before,
What about life then? The debate about abortion is basically a debate about when life begins. You can't kill what's not living. So then what is life?
i just said i wouldnt kill a braindead relitive! so to me life is the most precious gift you can give someone, if you dont want a baby use a condom, and i know people get raped and fall pregnant from the rape, then give the child up for adoption, why should a child pay for its dads mistakes
and to me, has soon has your pregnant that childs life has begun, woudl you kill a litter of kittens?
Why should a girl have to be pregnant for 9 months as well as dealing with the trauma of being raped have to go through pregnancy and give her baby away to strangers? She may have to leave work or school, as well as the health risks that may arise. It's not fair to burden someone with something like that when they're most likely seriously fragile after suffering such a horrific event.
abortion is a form of legalised murder (MY opinion) that socity has been forced to accept
Let's see if I can logically make my opinion clear about this. Sorry if I'm being repetitive, because I only read this page of replies.
First off, I believe that life begins at conception. It's a scientific fact. What ELSE do you call that tiny little undeveloped life inside a to-be mother? You can't change the facts. Sure, you can call it lesser names to give it less humanesque qualities. Embryo, "tiny dot," mass of cells, etc. But it doesn't change anything.
I think that abortion is inhumane. I think that women should try as HARD as possible to stray away from it, because it's the killing of a life. But sometimes circumstances SUCK, like the rape case discussed before. For ME, I think it would be just as hard to abort a baby as it would be to carry through with the pregnancy, then give him or her up for adoption. Because aborting the baby would put me in the mind of a murderer, and I couldn't.... I could never kill a child...... Then again, how can I say that? I've never been put in that position. So then how can we say that a mother should choose to carry through with an abortion or not in a rape case without BEING in that position? We don't know what they've gone through, so how can we judge?
Back to the point. If a woman was ABSOLUTLY SURE she was going to have an abortion, then I think that there's a certain time to have an abortion. IMMEDIATELY. Now or never would be my philosophy. Because then the baby developes a brain and nerve cells. It can process thoughts and feel pain. Abortion is HELL for the baby. I could never put my own child through that. If someone were to carry out an abortion, I would have it done before the nerve cells develop.
Obviously, that would only be an option if you found out early enough, If it's the case, then that's the best time to do it. Before the first eight weeks, the baby hasn't developed a properly functional heart, brain, spinal cord, etc... so, even though it's alive.... it's not the same as killing your baby that has a fully functional heart and brain.
