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Peter Petrelli King For A Couple Of Days Age: 35 Gender: Female Posts: 4161	April 9th, 2007 at 02:40pm I've always thought I was against abortion. I've put forward my own views about it before in this thread, but something came to mind the other day. I think I'd like kids one day. But the whole thing freaks me out now - not of being a bad mother, what my baby could become. Because I know people who are the kindest, most loving people in the world, but their children are the most hateful, spiteful creatures I've ever known. I'm scared that if that happened to me, I wouldn't be physically able to love my child, and that would frighten me even more. So now I'm not sure whether I could have an abortion. I know this is a 'what if' scenario, but once something has happened, it's too late; I'd want to prevent it. But that's very personal to me, and I know some people won't agree with that.
Ol' Blue Eyes. King For A Couple Of Days Age: 36 Gender: Female Posts: 4816	April 9th, 2007 at 07:33pm Funky Platypus: Let's see if I can logically make my opinion clear about this. Sorry if I'm being repetitive, because I only read this page of replies. First off, I believe that life begins at conception. It's a scientific fact. What ELSE do you call that tiny little undeveloped life inside a to-be mother? You can't change the facts. Sure, you can call it lesser names to give it less humanesque qualities. Embryo, "tiny dot," mass of cells, etc. But it doesn't change anything. I think that abortion is inhumane. I think that women should try as HARD as possible to stray away from it, because it's the killing of a life. But sometimes circumstances SUCK, like the rape case discussed before. For ME, I think it would be just as hard to abort a baby as it would be to carry through with the pregnancy, then give him or her up for adoption. Because aborting the baby would put me in the mind of a murderer, and I couldn't.... I could never kill a child...... Then again, how can I say that? I've never been put in that position. So then how can we say that a mother should choose to carry through with an abortion or not in a rape case without BEING in that position? We don't know what they've gone through, so how can we judge? Back to the point. If a woman was ABSOLUTLY SURE she was going to have an abortion, then I think that there's a certain time to have an abortion. IMMEDIATELY. Now or never would be my philosophy. Because then the baby developes a brain and nerve cells. It can process thoughts and feel pain. Abortion is HELL for the baby. I could never put my own child through that. If someone were to carry out an abortion, I would have it done before the nerve cells develop. Obviously, that would only be an option if you found out early enough, If it's the case, then that's the best time to do it. Before the first eight weeks, the baby hasn't developed a properly functional heart, brain, spinal cord, etc... so, even though it's alive.... it's not the same as killing your baby that has a fully functional heart and brain. I agree, the abortion should be done ASAP, with the exception of certain cases where having the baby would injure or kill the mother, because I know they sometimes don't detect things like that until later on in the pregnancy.
Misanthropist Post Whore Age: 32 Gender: Female Posts: 23279	April 9th, 2007 at 09:27pm ^ Maybe it's close minded but I don't see a huge difference between killing the baby early on and killing the baby later on. It's still a baby. I think that having an abortion earlier on just gives the kind of...idk, false belief that it's less murderous. I'm not sure I expressed that very well. Now the argument I'm always on the fence on is abortions regarding babies that are developed enough so that doctors can see that he/she has like, spinal bifida or something. I mean, I think life is an important thing, but I always wonder if they would prefer not to have lived. But frankly, experiencing life is important regardless, no?
Funky Platypus Idiot Age: 33 Gender: Female Posts: 570	April 10th, 2007 at 01:12pm Well, yeah, an abortion is murder all the way around. You can't get around that. It's still taking away a life. It's just that, if if a woman had a choice, and she was ABSOLUTELY SURE about having an abortion, she should have it done before the first eight weeks. I think there's a difference between aborting a "living, underdeveloped mass of cells" and an embryo which can process things in his or her brain, feel pain, move, etc.
Anji Basket Case Age: 35 Gender: Female Posts: 15914	April 12th, 2007 at 12:13pm Lucifers Angel: i just said i wouldnt kill a braindead relitive! so to me life is the most precious gift you can give someone, if you dont want a baby use a condom, and i know people get raped and fall pregnant from the rape, then give the child up for adoption, why should a child pay for its dads mistakes and to me, has soon has your pregnant that childs life has begun, woudl you kill a litter of kittens? Would you kill mosquitoes? Would you kill a tapeworm? Would you kill those adorable little larvae that eat away at your intestinal lining until you can't eat because it's too painful to digest?
Anji Basket Case Age: 35 Gender: Female Posts: 15914	April 12th, 2007 at 12:13pm Anji: Lucifers Angel: i just said i wouldnt kill a braindead relitive! so to me life is the most precious gift you can give someone, if you dont want a baby use a condom, and i know people get raped and fall pregnant from the rape, then give the child up for adoption, why should a child pay for its dads mistakes and to me, has soon has your pregnant that childs life has begun, woudl you kill a litter of kittens? Would you kill mosquitoes? Would you kill a tapeworm? Would you kill those adorable little larvae that eat away at your blood in the intestinal lining until you can't eat because it's too painful to digest?
Anji Basket Case Age: 35 Gender: Female Posts: 15914	April 12th, 2007 at 12:14pm Steph! I pressed quote instead of edit. :Blush.:
Brendon Urie.. King For A Couple Of Days Age: 37 Gender: Female Posts: 2394	April 12th, 2007 at 07:26pm Lucifers Angel: i just said i wouldnt kill a braindead relitive! so to me life is the most precious gift you can give someone, if you dont want a baby use a condom, and i know people get raped and fall pregnant from the rape, then give the child up for adoption, why should a child pay for its dads mistakes and to me, has soon has your pregnant that childs life has begun, woudl you kill a litter of kittens? Should a mother pay for the rapists' mistake? You seem to forget that there is more than just a mass of cells at stake here. There is a woman. What makes the thing in her womb so much more important than her?
Mycophobia Basket Case Age: 30 Gender: Female Posts: 15581	April 14th, 2007 at 01:20pm Lucifers Angel: i just said i wouldnt kill a braindead relitive! so to me life is the most precious gift you can give someone, if you dont want a baby use a condom, and i know people get raped and fall pregnant from the rape, then give the child up for adoption, why should a child pay for its dads mistakes and to me, has soon has your pregnant that childs life has begun, woudl you kill a litter of kittens? what if it puts the mothers health at risk? and a babys brian is not develeped until it is like 4 months in the womb
Brendon Urie.. King For A Couple Of Days Age: 37 Gender: Female Posts: 2394	April 14th, 2007 at 01:51pm Why do people seem to think that the fetus, embryo, zygote, unborn child, etc. is so much more important than the mother?
Ol' Blue Eyes. King For A Couple Of Days Age: 36 Gender: Female Posts: 4816	April 16th, 2007 at 02:13pm druscilla; in rags: Why do people seem to think that the fetus, embryo, zygote, unborn child, etc. is so much more important than the mother?
Vanity King For A Couple Of Days Age: 37 Gender: Female Posts: 4708	April 17th, 2007 at 12:14am druscilla; in rags: Why do people seem to think that the fetus, embryo, zygote, unborn child, etc. is so much more important than the mother? Because its an innocent life. It's not done any wrong, so why kill it? But I don't mean to say that the mother's life is any less important than the baby's. The only reason I believe it's appropriate to abort is for the health of the mother.
Brendon Urie.. King For A Couple Of Days Age: 37 Gender: Female Posts: 2394	April 17th, 2007 at 12:32am Vanity: druscilla; in rags: Why do people seem to think that the fetus, embryo, zygote, unborn child, etc. is so much more important than the mother? Because its an innocent life. It's not done any wrong, so why kill it? But I don't mean to say that the mother's life is any less important than the baby's. The only reason I believe it's appropriate to abort is for the health of the mother. Meaning the child is more important than the mother in your opinion.
Vanity King For A Couple Of Days Age: 37 Gender: Female Posts: 4708	April 17th, 2007 at 12:56am druscilla; in rags: Meaning the child is more important than the mother in your opinion. No no, they're both equally important in my opinion. Because a life is a life, no matter what the age, number of cells it's made of, or whatever. What I should have wrote was the only reason I believe it's appropriate for abortion is when the mother's life is at risk. If she's perfectly capable of carrying and delivering a child, then I think abortion is wrong, because this fetus, or baby, or what-say-you is innocent, and is undeserving of death, and the mother should live with the consequences of unprotected sex. And if she fears she can't handle raising the child, then there is ALWAYS the option of adoption. Because then the mother can go off and live her life, and the baby is not killed because of the mother's mistakes. Death is no solution to something as serious as pregnancy in my opinion. You get what I mean, or am I not making much sense?
Brendon Urie.. King For A Couple Of Days Age: 37 Gender: Female Posts: 2394	April 17th, 2007 at 01:50am Vanity: druscilla; in rags: Meaning the child is more important than the mother in your opinion. No no, they're both equally important in my opinion. Because a life is a life, no matter what the age, number of cells it's made of, or whatever. What I should have wrote was the only reason I believe it's appropriate for abortion is when the mother's life is at risk. If she's perfectly capable of carrying and delivering a child, then I think abortion is wrong, because this fetus, or baby, or what-say-you is innocent, and is undeserving of death, and the mother should live with the consequences of unprotected sex. And if she fears she can't handle raising the child, then there is ALWAYS the option of adoption. Because then the mother can go off and live her life, and the baby is not killed because of the mother's mistakes. Death is no solution to something as serious as pregnancy in my opinion. You get what I mean, or am I not making much sense? I understand I just feel that what you're saying means the mother shouldn't have a say. Meaning her opinion doesn't matter. And sometimes the mother doesn't make a mistake. Sometimes the condom breaks or she gets raped. Not to mention if her situation could lead to her giving birth to an unhealthy baby.
Anji Basket Case Age: 35 Gender: Female Posts: 15914	April 17th, 2007 at 05:26am Because a baby has no sort of defense of it's own. No immune system, no diet control, and everything a mother does during her pregnancy will in turn, effect her baby. Thus people think that babies are more vulnerable and should be cared for more. This of course makes no sense, since it is the mother who is carrying the baby. It is arguable that because of this, the baby isn't exactly living. In technical terms, a foetus is a parasite, feeding on a host, the mother. One of the mysterious miracles of pregnancy, one of the beauties, is why doesn't the immune system of the mother attack the foreign growing mass in the uterus. In some unfortunate pregnancies, it does and the baby miscarries. Pregnancy is a strange thing. I think this is why Christians defend it so much. The baby lives in the mother unharmed because it is a miracle. I am against casual abortion. However, in my opinion, should a mother proved she was raped and the baby is of the raper's, then an abortion can be done if wished. Also, in the pregnancies where the immune system attacks the baby and poses as a threat to the mother, an abortion might save the mother's life. Those are the only two times I would allow abortion.
rehabreject Jackass Age: 33 Gender: Female Posts: 1308	April 17th, 2007 at 03:39pm Anji: I am against casual abortion. However, in my opinion, should a mother proved she was raped and the baby is of the raper's, then an abortion can be done if wished. Also, in the pregnancies where the immune system attacks the baby and poses as a threat to the mother, an abortion might save the mother's life. Those are the only two times I would allow abortion. What about when the pregnancy poses a threat to the child itself? (Strange as that sounds) For example when a foetus is medically shown to have genetic problems or mental defects? Should they be brought into a life of pain and suffering? I think that situation poses more of an argument for abortion than rape.
Anji Basket Case Age: 35 Gender: Female Posts: 15914	April 17th, 2007 at 04:09pm rehabreject: Anji: I am against casual abortion. However, in my opinion, should a mother proved she was raped and the baby is of the raper's, then an abortion can be done if wished. Also, in the pregnancies where the immune system attacks the baby and poses as a threat to the mother, an abortion might save the mother's life. Those are the only two times I would allow abortion. What about when the pregnancy poses a threat to the child itself? (Strange as that sounds) For example when a foetus is medically shown to have genetic problems or mental defects? Should they be brought into a life of pain and suffering? I think that situation poses more of an argument for abortion than rape. I'd rather have lived with pain than not lived at all. But, I'd like to think that giving anyone a chance at life is a great thing. And who cares about mental defects. Should all the down syndrome people have been aborted at birth? These people can still live and have a wonderful fufilling life. They have the special Olympics, they can go to school, make friends. Maybe it's just me, but I love life. I'd choose to live.
rehabreject Jackass Age: 33 Gender: Female Posts: 1308	April 17th, 2007 at 05:47pm Anji: I'd rather have lived with pain than not lived at all. But, I'd like to think that giving anyone a chance at life is a great thing. And who cares about mental defects. Should all the down syndrome people have been aborted at birth? These people can still live and have a wonderful fufilling life. They have the special Olympics, they can go to school, make friends. Maybe it's just me, but I love life. I'd choose to live. Of course I don't think that all down syndrome people should have been aborted. I mean very severe disabilities - ones which would significantly lower the quality of life of an individual. I presume you're not severely handicapped in any way, me neither - so it's difficult to judge from the sidelines. But people who ask for euthanasia don't seem to think that a life of pain is better than no life at all. You comment about rape being a valid excuse for abortion just made me think that killing a perfectly healthy child would be more cruel than sparing another from a life of suffering.
Brendon Urie.. King For A Couple Of Days Age: 37 Gender: Female Posts: 2394	April 17th, 2007 at 08:07pm If you're against abortion, don't get one. It's that simple. I'm pro-choice but I don't tell people to get abortions. It's none of my fucking business. But pro-lifers make it their business to tell women they don't have the right to choice.

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