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druscilla; in rags:

What do you think of fake abortion clinics?
They're places that front themselves as an abortion clinic, but they put off a woman's abortion until she can't legally get one.
I think that's wrong. No matter how pro-life you are, that's wrong.

I think somebody would have to be really, really dumb to fall for that.

Bloodraine:

druscilla; in rags:

What do you think of fake abortion clinics?
They're places that front themselves as an abortion clinic, but they put off a woman's abortion until she can't legally get one.
I think that's wrong. No matter how pro-life you are, that's wrong.

I think somebody would have to be really, really dumb to fall for that.

I don't think so.
If you go in and they say that you're running a temperate and need to wait or that you have a minor "glitch" in your system and you need to wait and then they keep saying it and you keep waiting...
Don't forget that they might be terrified and not thinking straight. Listening to what the doctors and nurses say might seem to be the best idea.

druscilla; in rags:

I don't think so.
If you go in and they say that you're running a temperate and need to wait or that you have a minor "glitch" in your system and you need to wait and then they keep saying it and you keep waiting...
Don't forget that they might be terrified and not thinking straight. Listening to what the doctors and nurses say might seem to be the best idea.

.-. That was a Law and Order: SVU episode.
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ne way, I really dont know where I stand with abortion, because well I know when some women get raped they probably dont want to carry the child [or if you know LnO'SVU' D.Benson was a child concieved thru rape and her mother never loved her. "i think" :/ But she's cool neway.] Also I dont think much raped women would have to worry about getting pregnent thru rape because THAT WOULD BE EXTREMELY STUPID for a rapist to do since that would leave DNA n stuff if they were smart [BUT WRONG OF COURSE] they would use a condom.
"im a victim of to much LawNOrder"
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What Im really trying to say is that we should face our consequences and not try and get rid of them. I mean its terrible to abort something for your own benefit. And we try and make ourselves feel better by saying its also for the good of the child, it wouldn't have to go thru life with a mother who didn't want it, or go thru being in an orphanage[sp?]. Because we never really know do we?
Abortion is a BIG thing. No matter what you choose its going to be hard. Some women take it out of context though. I mean I know a girl whose had various abortions, i mean at some point you have to learn from your mistakes AND try and not make them again.

druscilla; in rags:

Bloodraine:

druscilla; in rags:

What do you think of fake abortion clinics?
They're places that front themselves as an abortion clinic, but they put off a woman's abortion until she can't legally get one.
I think that's wrong. No matter how pro-life you are, that's wrong.

I think somebody would have to be really, really dumb to fall for that.

I don't think so.
If you go in and they say that you're running a temperate and need to wait or that you have a minor "glitch" in your system and you need to wait and then they keep saying it and you keep waiting...
Don't forget that they might be terrified and not thinking straight. Listening to what the doctors and nurses say might seem to be the best idea.

Yeah, I don't know how you do things in America, but here, abortion clinics have licenses. It wouldn't be too much to ask if you can see that licence, would it? Then you'd know for sure they were fake. Plus, fake abortionists might be able to stall you for a few days, but after a while, you'd get suspicious, right? Or at least i'd hope so o.o

And it would need to be a very, very elaborate hoax in the first place. An abortion place that doesn't actually perform abortions is going to attract a reputation and suspicion anyway, and I just don't think that anyone could possibly fall for that.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6750887.stm

Vatican urges end to Amnesty aid

The Vatican has urged all Catholics to stop donating money to Amnesty International, accusing the human rights group of promoting abortion.

rofl rofl rofl rofl. I remember when I was in first year, my RE teacher was always trying to get us involved with Amnesty International. She was a pretty hardcore catholic too.

Amnesty said it was not promoting abortion as a universal right.

But the group said that women had a right to choose, particularly in cases of rape or incest.

tbh I think they've got it better than the church have, but whatever. Besides, stopping giving money to Amnesty just 'cause of the abortion thing is moronic, because Amnesty do so much more in terms of helping promote human rights.

Bloodraine:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6750887.stm

Vatican urges end to Amnesty aid

The Vatican has urged all Catholics to stop donating money to Amnesty International, accusing the human rights group of promoting abortion.

rofl rofl rofl rofl. I remember when I was in first year, my RE teacher was always trying to get us involved with Amnesty International. She was a pretty hardcore catholic too.

Amnesty said it was not promoting abortion as a universal right.

But the group said that women had a right to choose, particularly in cases of rape or incest.

tbh I think they've got it better than the church have, but whatever. Besides, stopping giving money to Amnesty just 'cause of the abortion thing is moronic, because Amnesty do so much more in terms of helping promote human rights.

oh catholics are like that, i went to a catholic school, and you werent allowed to wear those pugsy badges, because children in need did something with abortions aswell. Its silly.

Dom:

oh catholics are like that, i went to a catholic school, and you werent allowed to wear those pugsy badges, because children in need did something with abortions aswell. Its silly.

Me too, and I have to say the most of Catholics I know aren't morons like that
The pope, obviously, is a very conservative Catholic but there are liberals out there. I don't like people getting the idea that all Catholics are uber-conservatives who spazz out over badges and charities just because of the pope, because there are decent people amongst them too. Like I said, one of my RE teachers was a big supporter of Amnesty.

It's the same with most charities. My school pretty much ignores red nose day because they sponsor abortions in africa or something, but there are a fair few Catholic charities that they support instead, so it's not as if Catholicism in general is anti-charity. There is CAFOD or the St. Vincent de Paul as far as they are concerned.

I just think refusing to give money to charities that aid abortion is silly, because it's not as if we're giving to Abortion International, it's Amnesty International and abortions will be a tiny amount of the work they do as a whole, and as a whole their work is good and helps many people.

Bloodraine:

Dom:

oh catholics are like that, i went to a catholic school, and you werent allowed to wear those pugsy badges, because children in need did something with abortions aswell. Its silly.

Me too, and I have to say the most of Catholics I know aren't morons like that
The pope, obviously, is a very conservative Catholic but there are liberals out there. I don't like people getting the idea that all Catholics are uber-conservatives who spazz out over badges and charities just because of the pope, because there are decent people amongst them too. Like I said, one of my RE teachers was a big supporter of Amnesty.

It's the same with most charities. My school pretty much ignores red nose day because they sponsor abortions in africa or something, but there are a fair few Catholic charities that they support instead, so it's not as if Catholicism in general is anti-charity. There is CAFOD or the St. Vincent de Paul as far as they are concerned.

I just think refusing to give money to charities that aid abortion is silly, because it's not as if we're giving to Abortion International, it's Amnesty International and abortions will be a tiny amount of the work they do as a whole, and as a whole their work is good and helps many people.

i remember they didnt have nestle products in the vending machines aswell, but it was pretty much in favour of that anyway. I think catholics can get a lot of bad press, with their anti-gay adoption, anti-contraception and anti-abortion stances but they do do a lot of good in the world, and from all the catholic priests ive met they are generally very nice people with occasionaly distorted views.

Ive decided that I probably will never fully agree with abortion, but the only thing that I will ever agree on is that we are given free will and DO have the right to choose certain things, paths in life. Which ever we choose in the end we should learn from them. Because if we dont it will ultimately be our downfall. So I dunno if Im pro-life or pro-choice.....

I think I'm in the same situation as obsession. I don't quite fully agree with pro-life or pro-choice.

I think it really depends on the circumstances of the parents, as in whether or not the parents have the ability to care for the child, whether or not both parents agree with getting an abortion, etc.

lyrical_mess:

I think I'm in the same situation as obsession. I don't quite fully agree with pro-life or pro-choice.

I think it really depends on the circumstances of the parents, as in whether or not the parents have the ability to care for the child, whether or not both parents agree with getting an abortion, etc.

yeah, I agree.

I think abortion should be legal. I know I'm turning this quote into a freakin' commandment, but I really like what Bill Clinton said: "Abortion should be safe, legal, and rare."

If a 12 year old is raped, saying "[censored] you, you're gonna have that baby." seems kinda harsh.

lyrical_mess:

I think it really depends on the circumstances of the parents, as in whether or not the parents have the ability to care for the child, whether or not both parents agree with getting an abortion, etc.

I honestly don't think the father should get a say in it.
I think if the mother wants an abortion she should get one whether he agrees or not.
I feel bad for him, sure, but not enough to force a woman to give up her rights.

druscilla; fuck me:

lyrical_mess:

I think it really depends on the circumstances of the parents, as in whether or not the parents have the ability to care for the child, whether or not both parents agree with getting an abortion, etc.

I honestly don't think the father should get a say in it.
I think if the mother wants an abortion she should get one whether he agrees or not.
I feel bad for him, sure, but not enough to force a woman to give up her rights.

But without the dad there wouldnt even have been a baby to abort in the first place.
Just cause its her body doesnt mean she made it all by herself.
If fathers dont have a choice with their kids in the womb why should have rights when they're out? It should be fair like that.It should be a joint decision if the father wants to keep the child and raise it himself ok, if they both want the abortion ok. Just like if the 'father' didnt want the kid and wanted the girl to go get an abortion and the mother didnt want to, she wouldn't correct?

robotchicken.:

druscilla; fuck me:

lyrical_mess:

I think it really depends on the circumstances of the parents, as in whether or not the parents have the ability to care for the child, whether or not both parents agree with getting an abortion, etc.

I honestly don't think the father should get a say in it.
I think if the mother wants an abortion she should get one whether he agrees or not.
I feel bad for him, sure, but not enough to force a woman to give up her rights.

But without the dad there wouldnt even have been a baby to abort in the first place.
Just cause its her body doesnt mean she made it all by herself.
If fathers dont have a choice with their kids in the womb why should have rights when they're out? It should be fair like that.It should be a joint decision if the father wants to keep the child and raise it himself ok, if they both want the abortion ok. Just like if the 'father' didnt want the kid and wanted the girl to go get an abortion and the mother didnt want to, she wouldn't correct?

Correct.
Because it's her damn body.
And a fetus is much different than a child.
And when you give the father rights to stop a woman's pregnancy you have to go into much darker territory . . . rape, abuse, incest.

I was speaking within reason. For example, if a teenage couple got knocked up and the father and his family were willing to help provide for the baby and want the baby alive, I don't think the mother should be allowed to get an abortion without talking to the father and explaining her reasons and stuff.

Same thing with a married couple. A lot of married women, not just in the US, get abortions and the father has no say or they are pressured by the father to do so. Both are wrong in my opinion. You can't just tell a woman "Get rid of it." without explaining or her having some say in it and you can't just kill your unborn child without telling your husband/boyfriend/fiance.

I'm dead set against abortion. I believe that if I made the choice to have sex, I need to deal with the consequences. I can't kill off another person because I made a mistake. I think it's wrong. My sister feels the same way as I do about this topic. That's why Jake and Jayden are alive today. When my sister got pregnant with her son, Jacob, when she just turned 17, everyone on the father's side was on her ass to "get an abortion". She stayed strong, and it paid off. Her little 3 1/2 year old means so much to her.

lyrical_mess:

I was speaking within reason. For example, if a teenage couple got knocked up and the father and his family were willing to help provide for the baby and want the baby alive, I don't think the mother should be allowed to get an abortion without talking to the father and explaining her reasons and stuff.

Same thing with a married couple. A lot of married women, not just in the US, get abortions and the father has no say or they are pressured by the father to do so. Both are wrong in my opinion. You can't just tell a woman "Get rid of it." without explaining or her having some say in it and you can't just kill your unborn child without telling your husband/boyfriend/fiance.

The father doesn't have to go through the pregnancy in the same way as the woman. If he wants a baby and the woman doesn't, her wishes should trump the husband's.

Ol' Blue Eyes.:

lyrical_mess:

I was speaking within reason. For example, if a teenage couple got knocked up and the father and his family were willing to help provide for the baby and want the baby alive, I don't think the mother should be allowed to get an abortion without talking to the father and explaining her reasons and stuff.

Same thing with a married couple. A lot of married women, not just in the US, get abortions and the father has no say or they are pressured by the father to do so. Both are wrong in my opinion. You can't just tell a woman "Get rid of it." without explaining or her having some say in it and you can't just kill your unborn child without telling your husband/boyfriend/fiance.

The father doesn't have to go through the pregnancy in the same way as the woman. If he wants a baby and the woman doesn't, her wishes should trump the husband's.

Thats still kinda unfair. Its unfair that women have to be the ones to carry the unborn children but its unfair to the father who gave his sperm to start the building blocks of baby life and he wants the kid and she can just destroy the fetus just like that. THE WORLD IS TERRIBLY UNFAIR. Im really torn with this because if the father can gain rights to the fetus and stop the abortion that can be tramatizing to women under the circumstances of incest, rape, etc but should the bad TRUMP loving fathers who actually want to care for the kids. Just like that the bad will trump the good parts? Seems kinda demeaning also, just cause guys dont carry the children they have no rights on whether the fetus will go on to be born. Kinda like saying male humans have larger brains than females proving that they smarter. Lyk WTF. o_0
I really wish the world wasn't like this.

I just don't understand pro-life. A fetus is not a child. It's a potential-child. It's not alive yet.
That's like saying for every month you don't get pregnant, you're killing. If you hadn't had sex, that fetus would not be there in the first place - is that killing, too?
Pro-choice all the way.

As for the decision making, whether one can veto another's decision, that's difficult and I have no idea. :/